PM Imran says Pakistan to make ‘independent decisions’ now

[Chak Bamu]

The thread title is just

Busted economy, idiotic decision-making, adhoc-ism instead of prudent policy-making, & this guy with a hyper-inflated ego thinks that Pakistan can make independent decisions... Wallahi I do not know what to say.

To be able to make independent decisions:

1. Improve governance; not just talk.
2. Improve decision-making; not just talk.
3. Stop airing your wishes & think that you are making policies.
4. Inspire confidence, not ridicule. Let your actions speak, not your blabbering tongue.
5. Surround yourself with people who know how to run a country (economy, governance, policy-making, foreign relations, political advisors) instead of psychophants, special interests, people with dual loyalties, & other assorted dumbasses.
6. Stop taking dictation from generals even though they installed you. That fact that you are the PM means more (much more) than the fact that you are beholden to them. Be their master, not slave.
7. Build bridges with your neighbors - yes neighbors, including India.
8. Engage politicians positively. They are more important than generals.
9. Spend more on improving HDI. See #8, that would help formulate policy for longer term.

 

[Warking]

PM better be careful else we could be heading for a CIA backed coup? same sort of language Qaddafi used and look what happened to him.
Highs and lows of Pakistani politics:-
View attachment 800408

Fortunately Pakistan is militarily stronger than Libya could ever be situation here is very different plus we have ISI.

 

[waz]

You really overestimate your nation.

Irony coming from someone whose leaders said they’d be a superpower now.
If anyone blows their trumpet 24 hours a day it’s you lot.

 

[mudas777]

It could turn out to be biggest miscalculation in human history the prize would be to costly... It is the last anything anyone has on their mind turning Pakistan into an antagonistic force via some botched miscalculation.. It is in nobody's best interest....

There are plenty of people who are willing to sell their souls in the Pakistan or may be they don't have got souls at all and dollar's are there little gods. Nora and Zardari's are from the same soil and look at their parties from top to bottom they are no different in pocketing, given half the chance. Look at the Hussain Haqqani our nation beloved ambassador and just listen to his sweet talk of sticking dagger into the Pakistani flesh. Blatant inside job of Osama Bin Laden raid culprits are still walking somewhere in the Pakistan and US and PPP, ISI and army never came clean on this. Look at the state of our judiciary, judges, NAB and institutions whole Zardari papers are gone missing so he can't be prosecuted. In Pakistan you can literarily buy anyone and still they will start there speeches with Quranic verses.
I often wonder as every one is at it to hollow the country from the inside why do we need India as an enemy.
US realizes that Libya style toppling of government in Pakistan have got uncontrollable effects and unforeseeable consequences so its better to manage IK through other means until one day he can be removed in other ways.

 

[Patriot forever]

Project Pakistan is in full swing.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1469257707316076546

Pakistan can never make independent decisions until it fixes it's economy and reduces its reliance on IMF and foreign loans. This feels like putting the cart before the horse to me.

You only have to look at how Pakistan has become trapped in FATF to know Pakistan ability to be independent is limited..

The only way out of this is to increase exports and remittances.
Otherwise these countries will always have leverage against Pakistan.

Pakistan was deliberately put into cycle by constantly ignoring this basic fact and actively sabotaging exports via their installed proxies.

Look at how GSP+, status or FATF is used to protect and provide immunity the likes of naya daur, aurat marches ( nothing to do with aurat) or other various installed journalists used to create anarchy and destroy the state from within.

 

[Trango Towers]

PM better be careful else we could be heading for a CIA backed coup? same sort of language Qaddafi used and look what happened to him.
Highs and lows of Pakistani politics:-
View attachment 800408

Pakistan isn't Libya.

Pakistan also cannot be ignored

Pakistan is in the toughest of neighbourhoods ans yet it thrives.

Ik will die one day like us all but its Allah that decides his fate nit the CIA

 

[Patriot forever]

Pakistan isn't Libya.

Pakistan also cannot be ignored

Pakistan is in the toughest of neighbourhoods ans yet it thrives.

Ik will die one day like us all but its Allah that decides his fate nit the CIA

Is it not obvious what America wants. These self proclaimed groups like naya daur, fact focus, what they call it dissent, speak the true intention of their financiers. ( Their masters).

The entire group from hamid mir, talat hussain and shirazi.

Just look at aurst march twitter profile.

There is enough evidence of how these fronts work from Arab revolution to Hong Kong.

America wants complete survitude, unless it gets someone in power who can deliver them that these things will continue ( the glaring example is FATF, when Pakistan ranked higher than US in compliance). As soon as you deliver all the money will flow from IMF to freebies.
The cycle continues of reliance of this freebie and laxed money to make us addicted. This is the reason why our exports or industrialization never happened, if we become economically strong ( self reliant) their influence will start eroding.

 

[Tornado23]

Blah blah.. on PDF. You served him tea and released him the next day. lol.

You remember your army chiefs legs shaking as vouched by your former speaker. Enough said. Now shuu pest.

Army chiefs legs were shaking as of according to indian media. The politician they supposedly quoted came out saying his words were manipulated, taken out of context. Thats the indian media for you.

How long did it take the indian govt and media to admit the loss of 1 out of 2 fighters that day? Same with the mil mi 17?

Also trust me. If pakistan is forced to use nukes or military action against another offensive force the world will feel it. Look at where Pakistan is on the map. Most notably look at the wind currents

 

[Trango Towers]

Is it not obvious what America wants. These self proclaimed groups like naya daur, fact focus, what they call it dissent, speak the true intention of their financiers. ( Their masters).

The entire group from hamid mir, talat hussain and shirazi.

Just look at aurst march twitter profile.

There is enough evidence of how these fronts work from Arab revolution to Hong Kong.

America wants complete survitude, unless it gets someone in power who can deliver them that these things will continue ( the glaring example is FATF, when Pakistan ranked higher than US in compliance). As soon as you deliver all the money will flow from IMF to freebies.
The cycle continues of reliance of this freebie and laxed money to make us addicted. This is the reason why our exports or industrialization never happened, if we become economically strong ( self reliant) their influence will start eroding.

Well written

 

[Jungibaaz]

Snubbing allies, superpowers and creditors, isn't independent decision making, it's stupid management of foreign affairs, and the actions are meant for political purposes. Playing to the gallery and making his supporters happy for a brief moment.

If you mean what you say, then dump IMF loans tomorrow, walk away from FATF proceedings, and return Saudi deposits, etc. You can't also quit the above saying one thing to your supporters about the US, and then sending guys like Moeed Yusuf to try and salvage the relations.

Let's see how much of this independence stacks up beyond stupid words.

 

[CriticalThinker02]

It could turn out to be biggest miscalculation in human history the prize would be to costly... It is the last anything anyone has on their mind turning Pakistan into an antagonistic force via some botched miscalculation.. It is in nobody's best interest....

Was it in USA's "miscalculation" apparatus when they overthrew a democratically elected government in Iran and installed a brutal regime under shah's dictatorship in the 1950's which ultimately led to the Iranian revolution in 1979?

Only an idiot would trust the word of an anglo saxon.

 

[Jungibaaz]

Is it not obvious what America wants. These self proclaimed groups like naya daur, fact focus, what they call it dissent, speak the true intention of their financiers. ( Their masters).

The entire group from hamid mir, talat hussain and shirazi.

Just look at aurst march twitter profile.

There is enough evidence of how these fronts work from Arab revolution to Hong Kong.

America wants complete survitude, unless it gets someone in power who can deliver them that these things will continue ( the glaring example is FATF, when Pakistan ranked higher than US in compliance). As soon as you deliver all the money will flow from IMF to freebies.
The cycle continues of reliance of this freebie and laxed money to make us addicted. This is the reason why our exports or industrialization never happened, if we become economically strong ( self reliant) their influence will start eroding.

If this is indeed the dynamic, then the question becomes, what is it that the US wants from Pakistan? That everyone from the army, the opposition, to some parts of the civil society, and others are willing to at least work around, but that IK abjectly refuses.

Why is it relations are this bad now, what are the specific policies that are being opposed to?

 

[Patriot forever]

If this is indeed the dynamic, then the question becomes, what is it that the US wants from Pakistan? That everyone from the army, the opposition, to some parts of the civil society, and others are willing to at least work around, but that IK abjectly refuses.

Why is it relations are this bad now, what are the specific policies that are being opposed to?

If one understands the broader interests of US in South Asia it becomes more and more obvious.
What does its funded media/dissent apparatus and think tank convey, their words are their masters wishes? Why does PTM or Baloch sepersrists concern them so much?
We are a cog in their plan and need to be tamed, the best way they see is bringing a servitude regime and clipping Pakistan security apparatus wings.

The relations went completely sour after Biden took over, followed by Afghanistan Taliban takeover, Pakistan alliance with China and Russia and putting up a joint front in Afghanistan. American bases. Flight corridor which Pakistan is unwilling to extend the date.

US first snubbed Pakistan ( typical arm twisting to guage when we will come running) in climate change conference ( if I remember correctly) later Pakistan just sent its environmental minister.

There is brutal cold War going on at least in the diplomatic space for now.

Just the recent example of not attending democracy, it was never a democracy normal routine summit. It had certain objectives and interests. It was show of force.

(China will never say or demand openly that Pakistan avoid the summit but this is how much it meant to them)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1468949314907308036

From delaying of Saudi assistance to FATF to IMF strict conditions ( like revising their own given tax collection target when Pakistan was on its way to achieving it) to constant communication by American representatives. From well informed stock market gurus advising to repair relations with America to facilitate IMF.

It is as clear as daylight America is not getting what it wants.

 

[Dalit]

Pakistan can never make independent decisions until it fixes it's economy and reduces its reliance on IMF and foreign loans. This feels like putting the cart before the horse to me.

You only have to look at how Pakistan has become trapped in FATF to know Pakistan ability to be independent is limited..

That is exactly how it is. As long as Pakistan doesn't reduce reliance on IMF things will remain as they are.

China and Pakistan have a major responsibility to cooperate and increase trade. China must assist Pakistan in various areas to become a valuable trading partner of China. It is in the best interest of both nations.

The US has only one goal in mind. Destruction of both China and Pakistan.

 

[Menace2Society]

That is exactly how it is. As long as Pakistan doesn't reduce reliance on IMF things will remain as they are.

China and Pakistan have a major responsibility to cooperate and increase trade. China must assist Pakistan in various areas to become a valuable trading partner of China. It is in the best interest of both nations.

just get out debt and have a savings account.