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PM Imran Khan fully authorises Pakistan Army to befittingly respond to any Indian misadventure

I am not on the run from Pakistani law. Do understand what a 'fugitive' means.

Tell me, did Balochistan, Sindh or Khyber Pakhtunkwa vote a party in power that held government posts which had such chequered history as MQM? In fact all too often MQM supporters are first to accuse others of ethno-facism to shut them up or put them on the defensive. When the reality is MQM is a ethno-facist party itself and has been continously voted in power with clear agenda of keeping other ethnic groups from gaining ground in Karachi. MQM talked like they owned Karachi [overlooking the fact that they themselves are migrants as the party name clearly stated] and other migrants were not to be accepted.

I don't have issues with anybody least of all Karachi. My dad was in Karachi in early 1960s. My issue is with exceptionalism on display by many in Karachi and openly leveraged by MQM. In early 1950s the migrant populations from India that moved to Karachi were on average from urban backgrounds in India and better educated compared to the indigenous populations in Pakistan. In addition Muslim Leaque which was dominant in 1940s was mostly in hands of people from what is now India like United Provinces etc. These two factors were used by this group to move en masse to Karachi and gouge a disproportionate share in the newly independant Pakistan. In the newly emerging state this allowed some privilaged groups to carve out a role and tenor in the new state far in excess of their numbers. It was as if the state was for thier betterment only. Adopting Urdu further gave this group advantage.

Finding that this grab for power had succeeded but the new ruling politico-economic elite had little legitimacy or even widespread support led to elections being deferred and the new constitution of the state dragged on. Meantime this group sucked all the resources giving it a head start over others. Islam was then used to legitimatise the rule while internal factions fought for power driven by greed. The only other power axis that existed at that time was the army which was drawn mostly from the GT road [Peshawar-Lahore] belt. This lack of legitimacy opened the space for the army take over by Gen. Ayub which began the rollback of the new politco-economic elite under guise of Muslim League based in Karachi. We can see how the capital was transferred north in the middle of the GT belt ~ Rawalpindi. A very, very wise move I must add.

Over time a uneasy nexus came into being between the GT belt and Karach elite. However there was always tension underneath. We can see how the riots between pro Ayub supporters [my dad was one] and the Mohajirs took place in Karachi of 1960s as the latter tried to use the sister of Jinnah to remove Ayub. This was the first showing of 'family democracy' in Pakistan. Just because XYZ was sister or daughter of a established name it somehow justified role in the country. A most undemocratic impulse.

It was at this time a strange phenomnon was observed. Most Mohajir's compared to the natives were more liberal and urban but they supported religious parties. The reason was these religious parties justified their migration and helped to hold onto the exceptionalism they had carved for themselves in the new state. Ayub finally would be toppled with these religious parties being the vanguard.

Bhutto entered the scene and won because vast majority of the country had been left out of the economic and political base of the country. In context of Sindh and Karachi Bhutto's rule can be seen as a attempt to pull back the Mohajir capture [since 1950] of the provinces nodes by trying to increase the Sindhi footprint in their own province including even trying to, god forbid bring Sindhi language into Sind province.

As Mohajir domination was squeezed [which was in place since the capture of 1950] there was reaction. At heart of this was Mohajor exceptionalism - almost a racist belief that they, their culture, their language was superior and rest were uncouth savages. Thus they felt they had right to disproportionate share in job market or university places.

The tide of anti Bhutto demonstrations that would bring him down were fueled by this exeptionalism in Karachi but clothed in religious parties. With advent of Zia these forces supported his illgitimate rule. MQM took shape with help of the illigitimate regime of Zia. What was the genesis of MQM? To maintan the exceptionalism and capture of 1950. And we saw how the next few decades panned out. The defining force was simply grab for resources of the port city through which the entire countries trade - in and out goes.

And even in 2019 that exceptionalism continues to exist. It can be seen in how anybody talking about it will recieve a tidal reaction. The reason is the narrative is still dominated by this exceptionalism. You can see how even PDF is dominated by certain groups. The media in Pakistan is also dominated. However as we move forward slowly a more representative Pakistan that actually reflects the real Pakistan will gain ground.

@Joe Shearer
your entire rant just shows that your hatred is borne out of jealousy that one group, because it was better educated, and because it invested in PAkistan, was better off than others. the riots you talk about in 60s were not riots but murder with ful lbacking of gohar ayub. your entire rant reeks of racism.

Thanks. Much appreciated. The report cites that the backbone of the trade is "facilitated by ethnic networks" between the two countries. Now I wonder which "ethnic networks" these are? Mmm let me think. Shia Hazara?

Essentially what you have is families living in Pakistan who have relatives in India. This creates a "ethnic network" which can be used to overcome the border restrictions. I know in UK the drug trade amongst Pakistani's is dominated by those who have family in Pakistan and both ends work together to illiecitly smuggle goods to UK - with both ends of family profiting.
maybe you are one of them, since you are in UK and you are (regrettably) from Pakistan.

These two factors were used by this group to move en masse to Karachi and gouge a disproportionate share in the newly independant Pakistan.
the en masse, as you say, was not to grab a share, but to move to the coutnry they helped to create.
 
your entire rant just shows that your hatred is borne out of jealousy that one group, because it was better educated, and because it invested in PAkistan, was better off than others. the riots you talk about in 60s were not riots but murder with ful lbacking of gohar ayub. your entire rant reeks of racism.


maybe you are one of them, since you are in UK and you are (regrettably) from Pakistan.


the en masse, as you say, was not to grab a share, but to move to the coutnry they helped to create.

And that racist is a think tank on this forum. What a joke!!!
 
e can see how the riots between pro Ayub supporters [my dad was one] and the Mohajirs took place in Karachi of 1960s as the latter tried to use the sister of Jinnah to remove Ayub.
yeah, then your dad was one of the people who killed and robbed and burned people's properties during the so called victory march. no wonder your mind is filled with racism and hatred.
 
Try if you can to address the points I raised instead of shooting at me.

maybe you are one of them, since you are in UK and you are (regrettably) from Pakistan.
I was there before you even stepped on the land now Pakistan. And I still have land inheritated from my forefathers who toiled and spilled blood over. I bet you can't say that?
 
Mohajir capture [since 1950] of the provinces
lol, what capture? muhajirs were settled on properties left behind by hindus and parsies. the properties that never belonged to the Sindhis. it was people like you who blamed their own shortcomings and failures on the muhajirs, that led to ethnic riots, and to eventual creation and support of terrorists like mqm.

Try if you can to address the points I raised instead of shooting at me.

I was there before you even stepped on the land now Pakistan. And I still have land inheritated from my forefathers who toiled and spilled blood over. I bet you can't say that?
really? how old are you? are 70 plus?

and as for spilling blood or laying lives for the country, so have people in my family. but obviously, since people like you dont seem to accept us as equal citizens, they were therefore, traitors.

Try if you can to address the points I raised instead of shooting at me.

I was there before you even stepped on the land now Pakistan. And I still have land inheritated from my forefathers who toiled and spilled blood over. I bet you can't say that?
and yet still you ran away, and are now living abroad. so much for inheriting land.

Try if you can to address the points I raised instead of shooting at me.
no need, you have a single point: muhajirs are bad because they came over from india and tried to invest in this country, work for it, and tried to make it their home. not my fault that you have been brought up thinking that whatever muahjris created was stolen from others.
 
why are you guys fighting like kids here? focus on current situation.we need unity right now.we can fight with each other later.pathan sindi muhajir baloch gilgiti pathan punjabi every one will fight till last drop.we are united against india.
 
The trecherous business class in Karachi won't. What they do is use their links in India to export stuff to Dubai which is then offloaded in Karachi. The real amount could be lot higher I read somewhere.
It's a little harsh just accusing the Karachi business class for supporting this (unless of course by Karachi business class you mean all the import/export businesses regardless of ethnicity).
 
It's a little harsh just accusing the Karachi business class for supporting this (unless of course by Karachi business class you mean all the import/export businesses regardless of ethnicity).
In my original post I did not specify a ethnic group but a class of people ~ if some are more represented then others, well that is what is then. Once allegations of racism began to be chucked then of course I reminded these gents that MQM stood for and by exceptionalism of one ethnic group. It's voting base, it's name and it's politics cried out ethno-politics.
 
In my original post I did not specify a ethnic group but a class of people ~ if some are more represented then others, well that is what is then.
Understood. Given that the Sharif's have been just as enthusiastic about expanding trade with India, I didn't want it to appear that you were targeting a particular ethnicity, hence the request for clarification.
 
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