PM approves grant for construction of Hindu temple in Islamabad

[m52k85]

As for scholars thar represent more of Pakistan, who would that be? Mulla diesal or mulla Pan de siri?

Easy to check, ordinary muslims follow the local imam, the local imams all over Pakistan come from Madarsahs, so just look up top 10 madarashs for say deobandis by volume of pass out and you have:
1. Karachi Darul Uloom: Muftis Taqi and Rafi Usmani
2. Karachi Jamia Binoria: Dont know the latest muhtamim after the recent death of the last.
3. Karachi Jamia Rasheedia: Mufti Abu lubaba
4. Lahore Jamia Ashrafia: One of the mufti brothers managing it. Very unpolitcal, few know their names
5. Don't forget the Tableeghis in this category though they are daees and not muftis mostly so they will try to stay clear here.

For Hanafi Barelvis, being an outsider I dont know the names but Maulan Tahir-ul Hadri, Ilyas Qadri, Mufit Muhammad Akmal seem to be the famous ones.

As for Ahle-Hadees and Shia, the approach would be similar find the ones that educate the local imams.

Point being these are the religous leaders that do their job with their heads down as opposed to the two flamboyant personalities you refer to, the first is outright corrupt as far as I am concerned and regarding the second I would hesitate to form an opinion as his ideals are lofty but his approach not wise to put it mildly.

Then finally you have the what I can only describe as the niche muslims, the elite only have the privilege to go down this route and therefore to me their opinion doesnt matter in the bigger scheme of what Pakistan does, these would be followers of the Ghamdis, Muhammad Sheikh etc. This category is recognizable by its positions on fiqh/ islamic law that would be unrecognizable in most traditionally muslim countries. Over the years it has seemed to me their followers want to be good muslims but find it too hard to follow traditional islam (e.g. giving up 2.5% of their bank balance is too hard for them, leaving music is too hard for them, accepting their sister in law does hijab from them is too hard for them etc so they seek out preacher who can give them 'Diet Islam').

Did you listen to the whole video or just that particular portion? You can provide a rebuttal if you like, i will be more than happy if your logic is sound.

As far as I can gather he is arguing that once you chose to be a nation state, then the same islamic laws are not applicable, first-up to what extent that is true is debated. Secondly if we even agree to that point for arguments sake, then why do you believe him when he says that all Nation states should follow the same standard? There can be flavors ofcourse, he seems to say if in USA this can happen then it should be allowed in Pakistan since both are nation states, I dont see why we should agree to that.

What words have i mixed up? Not sure if you read the thread from start but there are alot of people that have the problem even with the first one.

Sorry, was reading two threads on the topic simultaneously, I have modified by original reply to you posting the agreement the Prophet PBUH did.

As for the 2nd problem that you mentioned, i agree the project should be self funded and not tax-payers money. Its the same here in Australia. Only land allocation should be allowed. However if the govt wants to provide the funds as a loan, that would also be agreeable.

Ok good to know we have a more aligned (not same) view on this.

Over the years it has seemed to me their followers want to be good muslims but find it too hard to follow traditional islam (e.g. giving up 2.5% of their bank balance is too hard for them, leaving music is too hard for them, accepting their sister in law does hijab from them is too hard for them etc so they seek out preacher who can give them 'Diet Islam').

@Imad.Khan brother since you quoted Ghamdi, I will guess you subscribe to some of his views, my sincere short advice to you would be that Islam never said it was easy, it always said in it is ease. Don't mix the two. Regards.

 

[Flash_Ninja]

Yes and like minority communities everywhere, masjids in UK, US, Canada and else built from community funds not taxpayer's money. You get what you pay for, if you cann't collect funds for a big temple, make a small one. Here in UK where the community is small they would even rent a basement and make a small musalah. "Chadar dekh kar paon pehlana" english: "stretching ones legs looking at the span of their blanket".

Then its up to us to be better than the UK

 

[Syed1.]

Yes and like minority communities everywhere, masjids in UK, US, Canada and else built from community funds not taxpayer's money. You get what you pay for, if you cann't collect funds for a big temple, make a small one. Here in UK where the community is small they would even rent a basement and make a small musalah. "Chadar dekh kar paon pehlana" english: "stretching ones legs looking at the span of their blanket".

Minorities in those countries also get equal rights as the majority. First give our minorities the same rights that Muslims have in Pakistan then say that we shouldn't give them a helping hand in building a place of worship. World over the governments go the extra mile in helping their minorities if they are oppressed. The same people who didn't mind governments stealing thousands of billions every year are having an issue if a few million are spent on a mandir. Tell me will Islam come in danger if mandir is built?



Ironically you choose to live in a secular/Christian UK rather than Muslim Pakistan. Why? Is your Islam in danger if you live in Pakistan?

 

[m52k85]

Minorities in those countries also get equal rights as the majority. First give our minorities the same rights that Muslims have in Pakistan then say that we shouldn't give them a helping hand in building a place of worship.

a. flawed logic
b. they have the rights that are allowed in islam, we dont intend to nor will give them the same rights that minorities may enjoy somewhere else (e.g. being head of state). I will agree the rights they have under islam need more stringent implementation.

The same people who didn't mind governments stealing thousands of billions every year are having an issue if a few million are spent on a mandir.

Its not a political issue for me at all, nor an issue of few millions, check out this post to understand where my reservation of giving muslim tax money comes from. https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/buil...ch-pervaiz-elahi.673998/page-10#post-12499017

MTell me will Islam come in danger if mandir is built?

Allah knows best, we mortals can not even figure out an objective question of whether an over expanded derivatives market will lead to a global financial crisis let lone a social subjective question such as this. But again this is not the point, the point is Allah doesnt like it. (Please dont come back with flawed logic: "oh but Allah also doesnt like A, B C..")

Ironically you choose to live in a secular/Christian UK rather than Muslim Pakistan. Why? Is your Islam in danger if you live in Pakistan?

Hmm how shall I answer this:
a. I'm studying here so your assumption is unfounded.
b. Given a muslim who chooses to move to the west, how does that have anything to do with this debate? Have you had any exposure to subjects such as 'logic', 'critical reason', 'jurisprudence' etc?

All your points have a recurring theme that I would label as 'flawed logic'. Such logic is common in drawing rooms, on TV programs, and unfortunately in some parliaments of the world as well, but is frowned upon in policy institutes, universities and think tanks. The more common name of 'flawed logic' is 'rhetoric'.

Then its up to us to be better than the UK

On what scale, dont assume I subscribe to the same scale as you i.e. giving minorities more will mean I am better.

My scale is: "giving minorities more from what Allah has determined is better for me".

Dont come back with "but you said in UK we make masjids from our own funds, so you follow the UK example there but now are contradicting your self", that was said because it is a shared standard both muslims and non-muslims can understand.

 

[zeeshe100]

good news for Pakistani hindus

 

[POPEYE-Sailor]

For those who said Temple making by government is appreciated , Just have a look this Quran Verse
تمہارا معبود حقیقی بس ایک ہی ہے"
As-Saffat 37: Verse 4

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Government can not use Muslim's money for making temple of Fakes God.
If Hindu need their temple govt should give them tax free relaxation and they have to make their temple on their Earnings. Not by Muslims Earning.

 

[Flash_Ninja]

On what scale, dont assume I subscribe to the same scale as you i.e. giving minorities more will mean I am better.

My scale is: "giving minorities more from what Allah has determined is better for me".

Dont come back with "but you said in UK we make masjids from our own funds, so you follow the UK example there but now are contradicting your self", that was said because it is a shared standard both muslims and non-muslims can understand.

When did I ever say "giving minorities more will mean I am better."?? Don't put words in my mouth to make sense of your mental gymnastics.

I stated Pakistani Hindus are Pakistani's, ergo they pay tax which should be reinvested within their community.

For those who said Temple making by government is appreciated , Just have a look this Quran Verse
تمہارا معبود حقیقی بس ایک ہی ہے"
As-Saffat 37: Verse 4

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Government can not use Muslim's money for making temple of Fakes God.
If Hindu need their temple govt should give them tax free relaxation and they have to make their temple on their Earnings. Not by Muslims Earning.

Pakistani Hindus pay tax, so its not Muslim earnings; its Pakistani earnings

 

[Crusher]

Would the telecast live Bhajan on PTV?

And the singer of those bhjans should be none other than our very own ustad barray khan sabhib imran khan sahab the marasi-e-azam.

 

[POPEYE-Sailor]

Pakistani Hindus pay tax, so its not Muslim earnings; its Pakistani earnings

Read again what i wrote, Islam obligation is more important then ur secularism. Muslim who believe in One ALLAH can not give money for constructing of fake GOD's Temple.
Give little bit time to understand QURRAN. This holy book is not for kiss n put into drawer. its for understanding what ALLAH wants from Muhammadi Believers.

 

[CodeforFood]

it reminds me mughal leader akbar who instead of focusing on governance started focusing on pleasing minorities and devised new religion where he promoted mandirs and it eventually lead to dominance of hindu culture in india which forced and caused Muslims financially weak when british invaded india and put Muslim in to disadvantage and turned them to minority and now we are seeing 7 times bigger india as compared to Pakistan.So called religious scholars like Ghamdi who believe on death of Hazrat Esa A.S and not believe on any Hadees not represents whole Muslims sentiment

Bhai,
It is not necessary to just focus on one thing. It is always a multi pronged effort. Doesn't mean you stop doing one thing because you have failed and/or slowed down in some other area.

@Pan-Islamic-Pakistan

Provided if government is not spending building other places of worship. Being selective is the first step towards bigotry.

 

[Flash_Ninja]

Read again what i wrote, Islam obligation is more important then ur secularism. Muslim who believe in One ALLAH can not give money for constructing of fake GOD's Temple.
Give little bit time to understand QURRAN. This holy book is not for kiss n put into drawer. its for understanding what ALLAH wants from Muhammadi Believers.

Cite the verse which prohibits building a mandir from hindu taxpayers money then

 

[halupridol]

Wow a Hindu Mandir in Capital of Country,,,,,,Islamabad(meaning,the abode of Islam) of all places,, that too with govt money.
Hmm,interesting,,,Looks like a well thought out move by PM Imran Khan to push the general public towards secularism or perhaps even lead to gharwapsi later.
Another blunder similar to making urdu the national language,, which essentially became the umbilical cord of Indian propaganda n influence.
Thank you Imran.

 

[POPEYE-Sailor]

Cite the verse which prohibits building a mandir from hindu taxpayers money then

As I told you read Qurran-Translation by ur self, u dont need any mullla or advice from any one. Try to get advice from our Creator.

 

[Flash_Ninja]

As I told you read Qurran-Translation by ur self, u dont need any mullla or advice from any one. Try to get advice from our Creator.

Well you stated that the Quran forbids what I stated, so im asking for you to show me the verse which led you to that conclusion.

 

[AZ1]

Constructions stops by CDA on order of IHC.

https://mmnews.tv/cda-stops-construction-of-temple-in-islamabad/

Read again what i wrote, Islam obligation is more important then ur secularism. Muslim who believe in One ALLAH can not give money for constructing of fake GOD's Temple.
Give little bit time to understand QURRAN. This holy book is not for kiss n put into drawer. its for understanding what ALLAH wants from Muhammadi Believers.

IK was wrong in doing so but Construction stops now. Could you please check what was whole.Pakistan doing when these were build?