PM allowed force use, but military opposed it

[ziaulislam]

Tlp is the most anti Islam party in Pakistan...People also said isis was Islamic.
Razwi had the most vile mouth and people would sat subhanAllah when he was swearing....jahils following jahils

So the largest ever funeral were all kafirs??

Banana republic vs america

https://www.facebook.com/214832449817/posts/10159296919719818

 

[Trango Towers]

So the largest ever funeral were all kafirs??

Banana republic vs america

https://www.facebook.com/214832449817/posts/10159296919719818

I don't even understand what you are saying?

 

[blueazure]

. Take their assets for causing damage and teach them a real lesson.

TLP is now a mainstream political party



move on please

..jahils following jahils

yes

same is also true for PTI - jahil leading jahils




immi khan sat on a container , attacked ptv , tab sab theek tha

koi aur karey to ghalat

 

[Trango Towers]

TLP is now a mainstream political party



move on please



yes

same is also true for PTI - jahil leading jahils




immi khan sat on a container , attacked ptv , tab sab theek tha

koi aur karey to ghalat

Pti tlp whatever you want to say..those that follow without question are total jahils. So stop trying to be smart because you are not.
Nazis were a mainstream party too. So are many racists and facist parties globally. Doesn't make them right does it. The government can ban them again tomorrow. What will u say then?

 

[Jungibaaz]

Whatever the reason for the mismatch between the words from our civilian leadership and the capitulation that followed. What makes this worse is how bad of a betrayal of the police it is. This is the second time that our leadership and establishment have did them wrong, the last case was the IG kidnapping around this time in 2020.

 

[313ghazi]

Tell you didn't read the article by not saying you didn't read the article.

Save it for your tiktok.

 

[blueazure]

Pti tlp whatever you want to say..those that follow without question are total jahils. So stop trying to be smart because you are not.
Nazis were a mainstream party too. So are many racists and facist parties globally. Doesn't make them right does it. The government can ban them again tomorrow. What will u say then?

TLP is now a mainsteam party, thanks to charsi khan and his foolishness

next will be TTP, 5 MNAs of TTP will be in parliment

this was the neya pakistan we were promised


---------------
TLP’s Saad Rizvi, 487 others no longer on Fourth Schedule (thenews.com.pk)


LAHORE: At least 487 members of Tehrik-e-Labbaik Pakistan (TLP) and its chief Saad Rizvi have been removed from the Fourth Schedule list of the Anti-Terrorism Act 1997 by the Punjab Home Department, The News has learnt.

A notification was issued by the Punjab Home Department on Wednesday, removing Saad Rizvi’s name, which was added to the list on April 16 with immediate effect. Also, the federal government removed the name of the Tehrik-e-Labbaik Pakistan from 1st Schedule of the Act ibid as a proscribed organisation under Sub Section (I) of Section 11U of Act ibid, read the notification.

Now, the assets of fourth schedulers would be unfrozen and their national identity cards and bank accounts would be unblocked. Their names would be removed from the Exit Control List (ECL) by the interior ministry, added the sources.

A Home Department official said the decision had been taken after an agreement was reached between the federal government and the banned TLP. According to the notification, available with The News, "In exercise of the powers conferred under sub-section (1) of Section 11U of the Anti-Terrorism Act, 1997 (as amended), the federal government is pleased to remove the name of Tehrik-e-Labbaik Pakistan from the First Schedule of the said Act as a proscribed organisation for the purposes of the said Act".

 

[blain2]

The following is a recurring theme about the advice given by the establishment but they don't get credit for trying to advise all governments. They may not be right in how things turn out always (nobody is) but no one can fault the establishment for wanting to do the right thing given the circumstances.

"According to sources, Army Chief General Qamar Javed Bajwa presented all the pros and cons of using force against TLP workers when the political and military leadership gathered to discuss the issue at the National Security Committee meeting that took place on October 29. People who know the details of this meeting have confirmed to Dawn that the army chief said if the decision-makers were ready to pay the price for using force against the TLP, then the military would do as ordered. However, mention was made of the previous instances where the government had used force against citizens – Lal Masjid and the Model Town incident – and participants of the meeting were reminded of the consequences of both episodes."

This goes further back to 1971. The establishment then too advised the political leadership in the West to make amends with those in EP yet their advice was not taken. What happened afterwards is clear to all.

 

[Crimson Blue]

This goes further back to 1971. The establishment then too advised the political leadership in the West to make amends with those in EP yet their advice was not taken. What happened afterwards is clear to all.

Is that what now being taught in military academy? I thought the country was being lead by Yahya Khan who solely ordered operation Searchlight after his negotiations in Dhakka in March 1971 . I was not aware that political/civil leaders were running the show in 1971.

TLP was very active in past 3.5 years untill March 2022. Now there is blasphemous uproar last month in our back yard India, but TLP did not stage a single protest. There were protests in Muslim countries all the way to Egypt but TLP just gone missing, probably because their services to destabilize the current government were not needed anymore.

Looking at how TLP gets selectively activated & deactivated, Bajwa wisely advised then sitting government not to use force to save his asset.

 

[Sayfullah]

The following is a recurring theme about the advice given by the establishment but they don't get credit for trying to advise all governments. They may not be right in how things turn out always (nobody is) but no one can fault the establishment for wanting to do the right thing given the circumstances.

"According to sources, Army Chief General Qamar Javed Bajwa presented all the pros and cons of using force against TLP workers when the political and military leadership gathered to discuss the issue at the National Security Committee meeting that took place on October 29. People who know the details of this meeting have confirmed to Dawn that the army chief said if the decision-makers were ready to pay the price for using force against the TLP, then the military would do as ordered. However, mention was made of the previous instances where the government had used force against citizens – Lal Masjid and the Model Town incident – and participants of the meeting were reminded of the consequences of both episodes."

This goes further back to 1971. The establishment then too advised the political leadership in the West to make amends with those in EP yet their advice was not taken. What happened afterwards is clear to all.

It was the right decision for military and bajwa not to use force against TLP.
Do we really need another TTP type insurgency? TLP has millions of followers in Punjab especially so it would have caused tons of issues for the state.
For politicians it’s easy, drone strikes, black water agents, using unnecessary force but after politicians manage to turn the local against the state, it’s the army which has to give sacrifices to bring the situation under control.
What has ppp or pmln lost for all the drone strikes they allowed especially ppp in which the most drone strikes happened almost daily? Ppp was unharmed while army was stuck fighting basically all of tribal areas.
When people fight the state, soldiers will die not politicians while politicians will use it to gain political point scoring.

We don’t need more internal enemies.
India as an external enemy is enough for us.

Our economic situation and our current condition isn’t enough to fight insurgencies in tribal areas, Balochistan and potentially Punjab, sindh and ajk if force was used against TLP all while having to keep Afghanistan and india in check.

I’m not even a tlp supporter but Pakistan doesn’t need more internal enemies then it already has.

 

[Olympus81]

When there is a crime committed, be prepared to be arrested and face the full wrath of law.

You don’t go to a criminal and start making deals with him/her.

This forgive and forget attitude has what led to current Pakistan.

The scumbag leadership of TLP was apprehended and rightly so. How he was released is another story.

Same with the case of Lal Masjid leader, he was arrested (should have been arrested before the Lal Masjid standoff). You make deals, and when the other side go rogue, things go South and you have a bigger problem to manage.

The duffers, corrupt politicians, just refuse to see that.

 

[CLUMSY]

TLP is a murderous, discriminatory extremist organization that has no place in a progressing society. Police should crack down on the organization and shut it down

 

[R Wing]

The title is a bit misleading as military wasnt just opposing it for the sake of it or lack of capacity thereoff but they presented both the pros and cons to the government citing previous examples which imo were not something to repeat.
Even i was against this specially with TTP but after reading the article it is now making a lot of sense as to why government and military decided to engage TTP. It all comes down to ones capacity and if we to lose upper hand with the taliban, then things will be a lot different down the road. You have to have some leverage to put your point across.

If your capacity is even less than substate extremist groups, better to just hand them the reigns then. WTF are you there for?

Negotiations only work when there is genuine fear of consequences (costs) associated with the negotiations. Meaning --- we need to be in a clear position of strength to be able to expect something fruitful.

 

[IceCold]

If your capacity is even less than substate extremist groups, better to just hand them the reigns then. WTF are you there for?

Negotiations only work when there is genuine fear of consequences (costs) associated with the negotiations. Meaning --- we need to be in a clear position of strength to be able to expect something fruitful.

What has happened for the past 6-8 months have alterted my opinion altogether. This is an old post of mine. I don't not stand by my assertions made then.
Clearly there is no will on part of the military to fight. I mean make no mistake our soldiers do not lack in their will to fight, it's the management whose agenda resolves around meddling in politics and hold a girp on power whether overtly or covertly.
I may also add that I do not believe this will change with batton changing hands.

 

[Mentee]

Some detail about operation Searchlight in March 1971:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1603645080950407168

@Signalian

Straight from the horse's mouth