PLA's first-rate artillery force boasts high accuracy

[gambit]

Good points, good points! Thanks for the input!

Yer welcome.

This is somewhat of an oxymoron/contradiction. We shouldn't discuss military affairs because we don't have military experience?

Very rarely do you guys do any real discussions. Most of the time, you guys are good at making blanket pronouncements. Not the same thing.

Then for that same reason, should you not be making bold pronouncements about the PLA as well, which might be just as wrong?

What I said, if not the truth, then the facts make it very close to being the truth.

When was the last time the PLA performed any real artillery/CAS integration in combat ? The PLA practically abandoned 99% of what it knew of warfare after its disastrous pronouncements about US capabilities and results of Desert Storm. What the PLA leadership presented to the Politburo was that even though the US and allies would prevail over the Iraqi military, we would suffer tens of thousands of casualties. It turned out we were more in danger of fratricide than from Iraqi military tactics and weapons, of which China had plenty of inputs in providing training of weapons and combat tactics. Take a look at your PLA's modernization and see American signatures all over, down to the uniforms. Next, you will get rid of the silly high kicking marches.

 

[Misay]

I hope the PLA is filled with 'experts' like you. It will make the PLA the most powerful in the world -- with no need for an air force other than to transport stuff.


If the US answer, there will be no PLA artillery left.

A good joke.This is just our public technology.Of course you need to have the opportunity to counterattack.，But PLA can't give you the opportunity in war.

 

[XiangLong]

Yer welcome.


Very rarely do you guys do any real discussions. Most of the time, you guys are good at making blanket pronouncements. Not the same thing.

Well, we are having a discussion now, aren't we? LOL

Yer welcome.

What I said, if not the truth, then the facts make it very close to being the truth.

When was the last time the PLA performed any real artillery/CAS integration in combat ? The PLA practically abandoned 99% of what it knew of warfare after its disastrous pronouncements about US capabilities and results of Desert Storm. What the PLA leadership presented to the Politburo was that even though the US and allies would prevail over the Iraqi military, we would suffer tens of thousands of casualties. It turned out we were more in danger of fratricide than from Iraqi military tactics and weapons, of which China had plenty of inputs in providing training of weapons and combat tactics. Take a look at your PLA's modernization and see American signatures all over, down to the uniforms. Next, you will get rid of the silly high kicking marches.

Well, only time will behold the real truth, bro. Only time...

And don't be ridiculous! Our high kicks never go above a 90 degrees angle!

Also, will update this message later, I have to go, for now.

 

[xunzi]

Yer welcome.


Very rarely do you guys do any real discussions. Most of the time, you guys are good at making blanket pronouncements. Not the same thing.


What I said, if not the truth, then the facts make it very close to being the truth.

When was the last time the PLA performed any real artillery/CAS integration in combat ? The PLA practically abandoned 99% of what it knew of warfare after its disastrous pronouncements about US capabilities and results of Desert Storm. What the PLA leadership presented to the Politburo was that even though the US and allies would prevail over the Iraqi military, we would suffer tens of thousands of casualties. It turned out we were more in danger of fratricide than from Iraqi military tactics and weapons, of which China had plenty of inputs in providing training of weapons and combat tactics. Take a look at your PLA's modernization and see American signatures all over, down to the uniforms. Next, you will get rid of the silly high kicking marches.

This dude kept saying something that happened over 20 years ago like a broken record. I bet in 50, 60 years, he still kept repeating the same shit as if it's the bible. LOL Fact is not only us who were miscalculated in our estimation, even the American experts was surprise at how successful US prevail over the Kuwait War.

 

[Oldman1]

The rocket launcher has a maximum firing range of 150 km, according to battalion commanders. In comparison, Russia's BM-30 Smerch has a maximum range of 90 km and the United States' M270 Multiple Launch Rocket System has a top range of about 70 km.

MGM-140 ATACMS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The range has been increased to some 300 kilometres (190 mi), limited more by the legal provisions of the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) than technical considerations.

Ground Launched Small Diameter Bomb (GL-SDB) tested in Sweden | Defense Update:
Saab and Boeing signed a teaming agreement for the marketing of GL-SDB to current and future rocket artillery users. The goal is to enable customers to reuse the M26 rockets, currently loaded with cluster munitions that will be phased out by 2018, enforced by the international treaty banning the use of cluster munitions. The cluster munition packed warhead will be removed, reusing the rocket itself as a booster for the SDB, enabling the weapon to reach targets at ranges of 70-150 km with pinpoint strike.

Reminds me of American propaganda.

Super stealth plane that no one can detect. Then.....Serbia shoots down American stealth fighter

And the epic 'American military is untouchable' and then got kicked out of North Korea by a Chinese volunteer army. Yea, real 'untouchable'

American military is the most overhyped and overrated military in the world. 80% of the American military 'capabilities' is built on brainwashing propaganda by the American propaganda apparatus. It's not as good as it thinks it is.

Funny considering China wants to develop their own stealth fighter. Seems to me that it has its merits. But I guess China was more impressed that Serbia only shot down 2 aircraft in 78 days of war. And even more impressed with Gulf War.

 

[Economic superpower]

MGM-140 ATACMS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The range has been increased to some 300 kilometres (190 mi), limited more by the legal provisions of the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) than technical considerations.

Ground Launched Small Diameter Bomb (GL-SDB) tested in Sweden | Defense Update:
Saab and Boeing signed a teaming agreement for the marketing of GL-SDB to current and future rocket artillery users. The goal is to enable customers to reuse the M26 rockets, currently loaded with cluster munitions that will be phased out by 2018, enforced by the international treaty banning the use of cluster munitions. The cluster munition packed warhead will be removed, reusing the rocket itself as a booster for the SDB, enabling the weapon to reach targets at ranges of 70-150 km with pinpoint strike.



Funny considering China wants to develop their own stealth fighter. Seems to me that it has its merits. But I guess China was more impressed that Serbia only shot down 2 aircraft in 78 days of war. And even more impressed with Gulf War.

And here I thought it was just 1.

2 'untouchable' fighters shotdown by the superpower Serbia

 

[Oldman1]

And here I thought it was just 1.

2 'untouchable' fighters shotdown by the superpower Serbia

1 was F117 the other was F-16. But it was impressive that we lost only 2 in 78 days of bombardment. Iraq did better in the first Gulf War.

 

[Economic superpower]

1 was F117 the other was F-16. But it was impressive that we lost only 2 in 78 days of bombardment. Iraq did better in the first Gulf War.

The US has a long history of denying fighters that were shot down (to protect the hype of the US military), so the real losses are FAR worse than officially stated.

Shooting down the F-117 was a major embarrassment for the US that damaged the credibility of the US and its overhyped weapons.

Heck, even Iran took down your stealth drones.

American military power is 70% hype.

 

[Oldman1]

The US has a long history of denying fighters that were shot down (to protect the hype of the US military), so the real losses are FAR worse than officially stated.

Shooting down the F-117 was a major embarrassment for the US that damaged the credibility of the US and its overhyped weapons.

Heck, even Iran took down your stealth drones.

American military power is 70% hype.

Then Serbia would have shown all the fighters shot down not just 2. Iran didn't take down our stealth drone. It crashed. It be like stating Iran took down its own drone recently.

 

[gambit]

This dude kept saying something that happened over 20 years ago like a broken record.

At least I did not reference the Korean War like a broken record.

I bet in 50, 60 years, he still kept repeating the same shit as if it's the bible.

Unless there is something new between now and then.

LOL Fact is not only us who were miscalculated in our estimation, even the American experts was surprise at how successful US prevail over the Kuwait War.

We were not the ones who had to change, buddy. You guys are and are still scrambling to catch up to US. Who is the more embarrassed, the guy who underestimated himself and succeeded, or the guy who overestimated himself and failed ? In making assessments of US and turned out wrong, you overestimated yourself because your leadership based their assessment of US based upon old theories, old technologies, and general ignorance.

American military power is 70% hype.

And that 30% is good enough that your PLA had to copy...

 

[Economic superpower]

Then Serbia would have shown all the fighters shot down not just 2. Iran didn't take down our stealth drone. It crashed. It be like stating Iran took down its own drone recently.

Serbia showed the most important one they took down, the F-117 which was deemed 'untouchable' due to its 'stealth' capabilities by the US military and Serbia blew that myth away. It might be 'stealth' in the US, it ain't 'stealth' in Serbia

Yes, Iran did take down that drone, Iran even admitted it. I'll believe Iran and everyone else before I trust a word from the US. After all the lies the US has been doing, only a fool would believe the word of the US.

 

[Oldman1]

Serbia showed the most important one they took down, the F-117 which was deemed 'untouchable' due to its 'stealth' capabilities by the US military and Serbia blew that myth away. It might be 'stealth' in the US, it ain't 'stealth' in Serbia

Yes, Iran did take down that drone, Iran even admitted it. I'll believe Iran and everyone else before I trust a word from the US. After all the lies the US has been doing, only a fool would believe the word of the US.

Well China is developing a stealth aircraft unless you accuse of me of lying. So stealth has some merit for some reason. Why else has Serbia failed to shoot down more F-117s or even B-2s or even more aircraft during 78 days of the conflict? Same for Iraq during the Gulf War when they shot down 75 aircraft but didn't shoot down a stealth aircraft in that intense aerial campaign.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

LOL Indians only have imaginary weapons and open defecation.

@Hu Songshan

 

[PLANZubr]

Reminds me of American propaganda.

Super stealth plane that no one can detect. Then.....Serbia shoots down American stealth fighter

And the epic 'American military is untouchable' and then got kicked out of North Korea by a Chinese volunteer army. Yea, real 'untouchable'

American military is the most overhyped and overrated military in the world. 80% of the American military 'capabilities' is built on brainwashing propaganda by the American propaganda apparatus. It's not as good as it thinks it is.

LOL their shupa weapons F-22, F-35, LCS and Zumwalt are all big flops.

 

[TheTheoryOfMilitaryLogistics]

Artillery is terrain limited, in both maneuvering and targeting. Close air support (CAS) do not suffer those limitations.

CAS, as long as friend or foe are identifiable and distinguishable, can be more precise than artillery, which are always beyond line-of-sight (LOS).

CAS can move with the front line and in many situations, can create openings or anticipate where the front line will be. Artillery cannot and if artillery must move, all cannons usually do not move in concert.

Artillery are more vulnerable to counterbattery response than CAS aircrafts are from ground fire.

No one, not even your PLA, is more adept at using artillery than US and no one, including your PLA, is more skilled at using the combination of artillery and CAS than US.

So if anyone is a troll, go look at your fellow Chinese, perhaps even yourself since not one of you have ever served in the military but are making pronouncements that are grossly wrong.

Are you really a American?Your military concept is more like someone in the third world.
Artillery force contains rockets and missiles.You are quite outdated.

MGM-140 ATACMS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The range has been increased to some 300 kilometres (190 mi), limited more by the legal provisions of the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) than technical considerations.

MGM-140ATACMS has only 160km range.It's too short.
You can search "WS-2D",whose full name is "WeiShi-2D",this type of Rocket has 400km range and a precise guidence.It's nearly a kind of short-range missile and it's much cheaper than missiles.Of course,PlA won't export this kind of rocket,Because it has too long range and such a cheaper price.I think they will refit them before exporting.

SY-400 is another type of rocket which has 400km range and precise guidence.