PLAAF J-10B ready to enter service soon.

[Akasa]

imo the mainstay 4.5 gen fighter of the plaaf would be the j-11b and j-15. both incorporate the upgrades of the j-10b except for the dsi that place them very high among 4.5 generation fighters

 

[Martian2]

J-10B Vigorous Dragon is comparable to F-16E/Block 60

"Overall, the J-10B is thought to be comparable to the American F-16E/Block 60."

 

[GR!FF!N]

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[Safriz]

Personally I don't think engines should be considered too big of an issue right now. We now have photographs of older J-11s using the Taihang engine after their AL-31s expired.

Engine is matured but is not being mass produced yet,or so i could read in various reports.
May be the recent shift of WS-10 Factory to Guangzuo will change it..
Thats why we dont see J-10B being mass produced as there arent enough engines .

 

[S10]

The Raphale will circumcise the J-10B. It's not even a competition.

Care to list the technical specifications of the two? I am listening.

 

[Martian2]

Great every one knows that Rafale is better than F16 block 60 ...where does J10 stands then.

It will be intresting to know you comparision of F16 vs J10 ..please do post you so called credible analysis with "Reputable citation "to back your claim

Forget it. I'm not wasting any more time on you.

 

[ChinaToday]

You are contradicting yourself... every one knows that ..

Rafale ->>F16IN -->> F16 block60

Going by your logic

J10B = F16 block 60 <<<<<<< Rafale

Epic Fail LOL

Martian gave you a details analysis compare to your self opinionate bs i think he is more credible dont you?

Forget it. I'm not wasting any more time on you.

exactly why waste time on these cluless indian trolls?

 

[satishkumarcsc]

Can anyone tell me what ECM and ECCM suite J 10 uses in comparison to the SPECTRA ECM in Rafale?

 

[TaimiKhan]

Can anyone tell me what ECM and ECCM suite J 10 uses in comparison to the SPECTRA ECM in Rafale?

Nobody can answer you that, but it will be comprehensive and a good ECM suite which the J-10 will have, the latest available from the Chinese.

A lot of things available in SPECTRA would be there in the J-10B also, the most expensive and sophisticated ones would not be there or may need an external pod for that, provided Chinese have made such sophisticated tech, especially the active cancellation / jamming tech.

 

[Speeder 2]

Internet fanboys (usually having IQ around 82) are easily fooled by the claims of Frenchie arm dealers of this and that fancy electronics marketing clichés (which rightly reflect French average IQ of 100), while in reality combat results would give them a rude awakening when a J-10A goes head to head against a Rafale.

Granted, Rafale might have better overall electronics than J-10A. It’s however more than justified by its 2 or 3 folds astronomical price tag – a marketing technique the cheese munchers have learned through ages of well-horned experiences of selling vastly inflated luxuries such as Channel N0.5, Lancôme and Dior to the oil-rich, yet not necessarily the smartest, Arabs.

However, as Martian 2 has logically proved above, J-10A could have a upper hand against Rafale if equipped with a powerful radar or with the help of AWACS, in other words if it’s system Vs. system instead of arm A Vs. arm B as it will be in reality.

Higher service ceiling, higher top speed, a powerful radar, deadly & longer distance missiles!

These 4 factors are the very same advantages that Dr. Kopp described of how a J-20 could easily hunt down a F-35: fly higher and faster, early detection (an armed Rafale is far less stealthy than a F-35), shoot and forget.

At the end of the day, it’s PL-12s against alleged better French electronics, with corrected positioned J-10As almost immune from any French Mica threat.

Since J-10As are capable of launching abundant and comparablely inexpensive PL-12s all day long, the best thing Rafale pilots can do is to pray in Hindi that on board electronics counter measures could somehow shield them from incoming PL-12s 100% and all the time. Good luck you need it.

 

[ziaulislam]

i think the induction of J-10B..(notA) in huge numbers will be a big head ache for IAF..comparing that with rafale, it would really change IAF stance vs chinese..

even today the share numbers of j-10A alone is enough for whole IAF(250+ vs 150 su3omki, 50+ mirage5,60 mig29) let alone the huge numbers of flankers (su 30,j-11)

 

[ziaulislam]

narr``they just killed their so-called 'domestic' engine Kaveri
http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian-defence/188063-india-scraps-domestic-jet-engine-plan.html

no they say it will power their so called drones...funny...

 

[Speeder 2]

Mica is short legged compared to Pl-12.further, it suffers a disadvantage of being launching from lower altitude, so even shorter.

Meteor has the same problem when compared with comparable PL-21 (SinoMeteor?).

slightly "more advanced" electronics =//= more deadly.

The all time most deadly rifle is AK, not "more advanced" M1.

Fancy Frenchised marketing =//= it gotta be more deadly, even though slightly "more advanced" here or there.

J-10A can, and will, hunt down Rafale if used well.

Despite being twin-engined, more thrust/load, longer leg, "more multirole", Rafale is designed for France , which

is a geografically small country and with limited budget thus can't afford numerous specialised fighter such as J-10 etc , so have to pack all needed capabilities, frequently compromised, into a single fighter.

rafale hence has deadly design "faults" when compared to J-10s of flying lower and much slower .

No amount of "upgrades" can correct that.

 

[GR!FF!N]

Mica is short legged compared to Pl-12.further, it suffers a disadvantage of being launching from lower altitude, so even shorter.

Meteor has the same problem when compared with comparable PL-21 (SinoMeteor?).

slightly "more advanced" electronics =//= more deadly.

The all time most deadly rifle is AK, not "more advanced" M1.

Fancy Frenchised marketing =//= it gotta be more deadly, even though slightly "more advanced" here or there.

J-10A can, and will, hunt down Rafale if used well.

Despite being twin-engined, more thrust/load, longer leg, "more multirole", Rafale is designed for France , which

is a geografically small country and with limited budget thus can't afford numerous specialised fighter such as J-10 etc , so have to pack all needed capabilities, frequently compromised, into a single fighter.

rafale hence has deadly design "faults" when compared to J-10s of flying lower and much slower .

No amount of "upgrades" can correct that.

you need some lessons fanboy..

Ak-47 and M-16 uses different round of bullets..one is 5.56 and another is 7.62..now try to find out differences and uses of them..

slightly more advanced electronics is Spectra suits..which was tested in Libya and Afganistan and hailed one of the best..

if used well,growler can hunt down F-22..

J-10 is specialised on what???A2A or A2G??most defence experts compare J-10A/B with F-16C/D(30 years old tech)

both for you and @Martian2..

flying high and kill aircraft below is for old gen aircraft..higher ceilings doesn't mean better performance..and Rafale isn't designed to be a interceptor..

and FYI,Meteor will enter in production when IN will start Rafale..and MIca's and PL-12s range is almost same..and radar cancellation technique of Rafale can be used against Pl-12 too..so,draw your conclussion..and yes..post rcs of J-10 if you can before making comments on Rafale's rcs..

 

[Beast]

you need some lessons fanboy..

Ak-47 and M-16 uses different round of bullets..one is 5.56 and another is 7.62..now try to find out differences and uses of them..

slightly more advanced electronics is Spectra suits..which was tested in Libya and Afganistan and hailed one of the best..

if used well,growler can hunt down F-22..

J-10 is specialised on what???A2A or A2G??most defence experts compare J-10A/B with F-16C/D(30 years old tech)

both for you and @Martian2..

flying high and kill aircraft below is for old gen aircraft..higher ceilings doesn't mean better performance..and Rafale isn't designed to be a interceptor..

and FYI,Meteor will enter in production when IN will start Rafale..and MIca's and PL-12s range is almost same..and radar cancellation technique of Rafale can be used against Pl-12 too..so,draw your conclussion..and yes..post rcs of J-10 if you can before making comments on Rafale's rcs..

Mica and PL-12 is never the same range and far from close. MIca is designed to be a BVR and WVR missile. Therefore it has it limitation when going BVR.. There is reason why Russia, USA and CHina go for a pure BVRAAM.