99% comes from News reports. Take the example of Pakistan. Out of all the attacks in Pakistan, what percentage has been caused by Takfiri ideology and what percentage by Christian/Shia/Brelvi/Ahmandi/Hindu/Sikh/etc ideologies combined. It is clear. 99% is due to Salafism/Takfirism. 1% due to other ideologies. A rouge mad man can pop up among any ideology, even among atheists. But with Takfiri ideology there is a pattern. An undeniable one.
Not at all. You know exactly what I am saying. Brelvis have not gone to form complicated and powerful militias attacking other communities and the government of their nation, trying to bring down the state to its knees and negotiate the surrender of the armed forces of that nation. This is only being by one and only one ideology. The ideology of Salafism/Wahabism, which believes that through grotesque bloodshed, it can dominate the world.
This is what I said to you and I stand by it: "There were very nice and even agreeable Nazi citizen in Hitler's German but the ideology was the culprit. Here it is no different. Unless the ideology is not tackled the way it was tackled in Post War Germany, Pakistan will continue to suffer, no matter how much Pakistan invests in its Army and Intel services. The core of this problem facing Pakistan is a violent ideology. You can not fight an ideology with security measures and brute force alone. You must uproot the ideology feeding it."
Oh, no. Killing an entire people along with their children to finish off an ideology is only done by Salafi/Wahabi groups. As you can see around yourself. To fight an ideology like the one we are talking about, you do not repeat, what they are doing. You go to the core of this ideology. As the Germans did post World War II. The first step is to ban all groups and institutions and funding for such ideology. Then you bring in the people who are opposed to this ideology and give them all the power in government and jobs and stuff. You isolate this ideology by pushing it to the fringe of society, without any political, economic and social power. Even today you can be a Nazi in Germany. But you have to kiss goodbye to your job, to your normal life and any respect, or government help and become a watched entity by State security agency. The answer is not killing. The answer is to isolate and dry up the infection. No compromise, whatsoever. Such ideology must be treated like a plague.
The rest is semantics. An ideology that kills 150 defenseless children and female teachers, should be debated openly. Without this debate, no progress can come. People have to know what and why causes, such barbarity? What allows and justifies such horror? These questions can not be brushed under the rug. If even you succeed to apologize on behalf of this ideology and brush it under the rug, it will be only a matter of time before this monster will rise up again. Stop being an apologist for this ideology.
99% comes from News reports. Take the example of Pakistan. Out of all the attacks in Pakistan, what percentage has been caused by Takfiri ideology and what percentage by Christian/Shia/Brelvi/Ahmandi/Hindu/Sikh/etc ideologies combined. It is clear. 99% is due to Salafism/Takfirism. 1% due to other ideologies. A rouge mad man can pop up among any ideology, even among atheists. But with Takfiri ideology there is a pattern. An undeniable one.
There is no such thing as 'Takfiri' ideology. The only 'takfiri' here is you, spreading hatred among Muslims. This pattern you talk of is the same thing Anti-Muslims use to bad-mouth Islam. You have not addressed a single one of my arguments and are repeating the same sectarian propaganda I debunked in my previous post.
The biggest problem you have is that you believe 'Salafism' is some ideology. It is not. It does not exist. What is a Salafi? A Salafi is the name given to ghair-Muqallids. You have some Extremist ghair-Muqallids, like Hafiz Saeed, on the other hand you have liberal ones like Ghamidi. That alone should be proof that 'Salafism' has nothing to do with terrorism in itself.
The only ideology is the ideology of terrorism, which is spread by many preachers, regardless of sect, to achieve their political goals.
Brelvis have not gone to form complicated and powerful militias attacking other communities and the government of their nation, trying to bring down the state to its knees and negotiate the surrender of the armed forces of that nation. This is only being by one and only one ideology. The ideology of Salafism/Wahabism, which believes that through grotesque bloodshed, it can dominate the world.
Bigoted propaganda, thats all this is. Bigoted propaganda.
Tell me, is Hezbollah not a milita? Is Sipah-e-Muhammad not a militant group? They're both not Salafi. And these are just two examples, not counting many, many others fighting in Syria and Iraq.
There is no one ideology. There is no one to 'believe' in anything. Everyone has their own political motives, which is why we have groups following the same 'ideology' fighting eachother, and why Al Qaeda has split up into hundreds of groups.
You are using the exact same reasoning as Anti-Muslim (non-muslim) propagandists and I have refuted that reasoning countless times.
Then you bring in the people who are opposed to this ideology and give them all the power in government and jobs and stuff.
What?! Are you serious, 'all the power'? Oh God, do you not see how stupid of an idea that is?
You go to the core of this ideology.
There is no 'core ideology'. Salafism = not following an Imam (Hanafi, Shafi etc), direct interpretation of Quran and Hadiths. So you're saying that the Quran and Hadith are the cause of terrorism. Great, lets ban them both.
Not a solution at all.
The answer is to isolate and dry up the infection. No compromise, whatsoever. Such ideology must be treated like a plague.
The first step is to ban all groups and institutions and funding for such ideology. Then you bring in the people who are opposed to this ideology and give them all the power in government and jobs and stuff. You isolate this ideology by pushing it to the fringe of society, without any political, economic and social power.
Isolate it how??? When you have twenty political entities ready and willing to fund them, an ample supply of recruits in underdeveloped regions, what magic will you use to isolate them?
The rest is semantics. An ideology that kills 150 defenseless children and female teachers, should be debated openly. Without this debate, no progress can come. People have to know what and why causes, such barbarity? What allows and justifies such horror? These questions can not be brushed under the rug. If even you succeed to apologize on behalf of this ideology and brush it under the rug, it will be only a matter of time before this monster will rise up again. Stop being an apologist for this ideology.
I am not an apologist. I belong to no sect. I am a Muslim and nothing more. I refuse to be associated with a sect. I condemn terrorism. I advocate its complete and total destruction.
But the garbage you are spewing here is basically that ''Not following a sect makes you a terrorist, so lets ban all people not following sects''. But then you take it even further by saying that Deobandis are bad too, even though they follow a sect and Imam (Hanafis) . At the end of the day you're preaching your own sect and demonizing others'.
An ideology didn't kill 150 innocents. People did. With hatred. Nothing more. It wasn't religious - they killed everyone, didn't care which sect or religion they were. It was political hatred against Pakistan. Hatred against the Army. The Army has people from all sects, including the one they may claim to be from. Yet they hate it.
There is no way someone can believe Islam allows for this. Doesn't matter how much you twist it. The soldiers and recruits may fall for it, but the leaders know exactly what they're doing.
What causes barbarity you ask? Mental illness, psychological issues, sheer hatred, propaganda (like the one you're spreading here) and, above all, POLITICS. This is the new mode of war. The entire cold war was fought through proxies. Proxies like these are becoming the new way of warfare.
The best we can do is disassociate our country and our religion from it. Then another one will take its place.
