You stopped me going into details sis
Don't get me wrong, but the ideology of getting acquainted by random reading, understanding and interpretation has led us to the point that we have lost more than 50,000 innocent lives, plus those of today
. You SHOULD NOT and MUST NOT read Quran and Hadith and interpretation on your own as there is a very fine line between the right path and going astray. We have plenty of examples of it. I never said this before but I am a doctor who has studied 10 years to qualify for a specialist and then became eligible to work in my speciality. You will never allow any paramedic with the similar years of experience to treat your relative, will you? Similarly, have Quran - the book of ALL specialities, and Hadiths - the refined approach of Quran become this damn easy that anybody will come up with his BS interpretation without any degree or specialization and start giving his verdicts on the whole belief system? No Ma'am, sorry! Not acceptable until and unless he is (1) from ahlus sunnah wal jama'at, (2) has ijaza from peers.
@TankMan also has wrong and usual explanation of taqleed found in free pamphlets distributed outside the mosques. Those handouts have RUINED Pakistan and now every other person is either a full blown mufti or religious dimwit passing fatwas wherever and whenever he can. Another point was Taqleed which is NOT blind following in any way but the extract of hundreds of hours of contemplations of the peers of ahlus sunnah wal jama'at - the system established right after the passing away of Beloved SAW so the judgements given were 99.9% correct if not 100%. How can we argue after 1400 years that fulan hadith is weak which was not weak for Hanafi, Shafai, Maliki or Hanbali ulema some 1300 years ago? I never give an ear when someone quickly disregard a hadith calling it weak; instead that hadith becomes a gem to me.
Once the ideology of self proclaimed clergy will be diminished from the earth, we Muslims will be at peace. You called me ignorant in one of your post because of that.....that religious policing sensor detecting me with a threshold of suspected ignorant. You don't even know my background. But am immune. And if I misunderstood you, I humbly apologise. Also, I will not indulge myself in any reply-upon-reply responses. Just said what I felt right.
Ps: I tried to be careful not to hurt anyone's feelings.
But still someone is hurt, I sincerely apologise.
Pss: I have not dragged any sect, instead portrayed view points of ahlus sunnah wal jama'at and why we are suffering today
@waz please feel free to delete my post if I am diverting the topic despite many warnings
Thank you for your reply. I cant recall why I called you ignorant...
I will only talk about 2 points:
1) Quran
2) Hadith
I believe people who have never read the Quran with meaning should NEVER approach Hadith...Why? There are too many hadith heading in each direction while Quran heads in 1 direction if you have not read the Quran you will NEVER know which Hadith to pick.
Unfortunately people have come to a conclusion that QURAN IS TOUGH and ONLY a certain people (clergy) can understand it which is not true
Do they not then earnestly seek to understand the Quran, or are their hearts locked up? (Muhammad 47:24)
A Book which We have sent down to you, full of blessings, that they may ponder over its signs (verses), and that men of understanding may remember (Quran 38:29)
And We have indeed made the Quran easy to understand and remember; then is there anyone that will receive admonition?"
[Quran 54:17]
Are the above verses joking to us when it says the Quran is easy? The 2nd thing is the verses ALWAYS ask us to ponder...we see someone having something better than us we ponder how they got it, where they got the money, how much it cost and alot of things but we cant give 2 hoots to ponder on what the Quran says? THAT really is sad....
If the signs are clear and even it says that truth stands clear from batil....then why are we afraid
? Is the Quran joking that it is clear proof? Or it is us who refuse to see it?
We have sent down
Clear Signs to you, and
no one rejects them except the deviators. (Surat al-Baqara: 99)
O humanity, a
clear proof has come to you from your Lord. We have sent down a Clear Light to you. (Surat an-Nisa': 174)
We did not send down the Qur'an to you to make you miserable, but only as a reminder for those who have fear. (Surah Ta Ha: 2-3)
You see it is NOT individual interpretation of the Quran that caused us to the level we are ...Heck had people tried to read the Quran we wouldnt be at the level we are...Here is the truth:
Many would wrap the book and "store" it on the highest shelf
- When you do this who the heck are you kidding and who is reading it?
People only take it down jub kissi say qasam uthwani hoti hai ...
We give soo much respect to the Quran (nothing wrong) but forget its a book to read not to worship!
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hen we have people who think only the learned can read it and understand its meanings...Do you know MANY Catholics say the same....that ONLY priest and scholars know the meaning of the verses...Guess how the crusades started...people blindly following a certain sect (not really interpreting stuff themselves but following the bishop)
And then we have some "Mullahs" who dont know the interpretations but are afraid to say I dont know coz they will loose followers who love to judge...THIS attitude of Mullah (fear of people) and follower (judges) is what destroyed Islam!
Then we have those Mullahs who when questioned beat you up, ridicule you or label you ....ANYTHING to avoid being questioned about something they have no knowledge....What exactly do you expect to learn from such a person? I am not sure why people stick to such a person! I believe such people in Pakistan should be 1st to go to jail...They have sold their soul to the devil for increase in number of followers to feed them whatever lack of shit they know! Sorry for my language but seriously that is all that is!
@Secur I would like you to read this for your answer as to how to teach religion...
In my opinion based on my experience I see religion being thought like this:
As a ritual over a duty
As a burden over as a means of knowledge
As a thing to get over so no one judges you over something you should be knowing for your own soul's sake!
I remember I finished the Quran when I was about 17-18 yrs old...Yup old age
We had an aunty who would compare her daughter with me at every turn and she would be hawwww...her daughter finished 2-3 times...
I was a slow reader and at Quran Khani auntys would race to finish their sapara and take mine and finish it so mehfil could start as I was slowing it down.
What no one knew was I was reading slowly coz I read with meaning...What people didnt realize I didnt find reading the Quran as a race but something I need to understand.
I am not sure how religion SHOULD be taught but it def shouldnt be a race, it shouldnt be burden, it def shouldnt be by an uneducated man
when I mean uneducated = one who beats you if you question; one who is ashamed to say he doesnt know or he will get back to you; one who literally doesnt know but is teaching coz his dad used to teach and his grandfather....Teaching Quran is not a hereditary thing...Nor should the oldest man automatically have the highest knowledge in the field....Nor the MAN WHO CLAIMS to do so be considered right.
A man who has knowledge doesnt need to claim, he doesnt need to advertise himself nor does he need to come from a generation of Peer to acknowledge his knowledge.
But in Pakistan it really is a proud progeny of a "holy" man who teaches! THAT attitude needs to change
The Hadith seeking attitude also needs to change....Jub Quran kay basics nai paray why jump to hadith....THIS is dangerous...I never went to hadith until I knew my basics= Quran wont preach evil (evil can mean hatred, pride, jealousy, competition, impatience and so on)
Once that is established then you can go seeking hadith! Hadith shouldnt contradict the Quran and you will at least have an idea of what not to look for!
But in Pakistan people know more hadith than about the Quran, this I feel is dangerous! (Personal opinion I could be wrong) but so far I have seen people debating with me via hadith while I give them verses from the Quran as though hadith are much stronger....
Next thing is context...People keep crying and screaming that is not in context...Well context of a verse is obvious from 3-4 verses before and after ....
Next thing is story behind the verses (here you can pick hadith but not every single hadith needs to be squeezed in to the situation)
The ability to come up with the courage to say that so and so hadith IS CONTRADICTING THE QURAN and should be ignored until you can either ask a scholar (not a backstreet Mullah) or find a better hadith to fit the context.
Finally have the ability to refer to the Quran 1st before the hadith....In Pakistan people jump on hadith 1st...then try to find a verse that fits the hadith or even just present the hadith as eternal truth!
I have noticed people promoting hadith over Quranic verses... I dont get it...If Quran is soo difficult then why is the Quran joking to us when it says it is easy?
To teach people religion you need to put it in their hearts what it is about not feed it to them using a danda, I said so attitude and def not restrict them from asking questions!
