Peshawar Massacre - TTP kills hundreds of school kids (Avoid graphic pics/vids)

[SQ8]

Actually, no. The vast majority of Pakistanis aren't Wahabis, neither are the majority Deobandis. Sure, the former is on the rise, but to suggest it will completely overtake the religious character of a nation of around 200 million is a spurious stretch.

I never made the suggestion of 200 million, you seem to think in absolutes to extract change. The Majority is 51%. 51% is enough to allow for the rest of the national character to be subdued beyond anything more than token presence.

 

[Dubious]

FOLKS!!
Time to 're-educate' the 'masses' is gone. Time to 'remove Madrassas' is gone. Time to 'negotiate' is gone.
But time HAS BEEN ripe for quite some time to:
1) Make a Govt of National Consensus for the next 10 Years
2) Evacuate Entire FATA into some 'camps' with utmost respect to innocent people. They ARE our own people!
3) Treat people in the 'camps' with respect but only allow carefully selected people out. Keep the rest in isolation. Go General Sherman through FATA after the evacuation!
4) Duplicate #2,#3 all our Pakistan where there is suspicion of large concentration of hostiles. Regardless of ethnicities.

But, according to ISPR itself, FATA is the source of 90% or more of terrorism inside Pakistan. AND TODAY'S SCHOOL ATTACK IN PESHAWAR WAS NOT A COINCIDENCE! THEY WOULD HAVE ATTACKED KARACHI IF FATA WAS NEXT TO KARACHI!!

Yo hot blood chill there!

 

[Kashmiri Nationalist]

What Islamic ways? What the heck are these?
Do these consist of praying like the Arabs do? Having a Gutteral accent when reciting the Quran? Wearing a thawb and calling yourself Abu Khalid Ibn Rathore?

Such a great display of Islamaphobia (inb4imblack) from a mod. I mean, what's wrong with "praying like the Arabs do", having a gutteral accent or wearing a thawb? If that's how an individual decides to express themselves, then barring invocation of the harm principle, they should be free to do so.

You're well and fine with brow-nosing Western thinkers (Machaievelli), but not Arabs. Hm.

 

[LeGenD]

What Islamic ways? What the heck are these?
Do these consist of praying like the Arabs do? Having a Gutteral accent when reciting the Quran? Wearing a thawb and calling yourself Abu Khalid Ibn Rathore?

No.

Encouraging people to read Holy Quran with translation and understand its message is important. Simply reading it in its original language is waste of time and effort unless a person understands the original language itself. In addition, knowledge of teachings and character of Holy Prophet (PBUH) is also important. Many in Pakistan don't bother reading Holy Quran with translation and also don't bother reading Islamic history. This is as much fault of the parents as it is of so-called religious instructors who don't bother to explain the message of Holy Quran and impart knowledge of way of life and teachings of prophets to students.

Understanding Islam and its tenets is important for Muslims. They cannot be good practitioners otherwise.

Also, what do you mean by "praying like arabs" remark? Do arabs pray in a special way? All Muslims should pray to Allah Almighty, repent for their misdeeds and seek his forgiveness and guidance towards the right path. The code of conduct of prayer is same for all Muslims.

 

[KingMamba]

I dont want to try to justify what happened in Beslan but the situation there was much different.
Chechens went for the school because they thought that Russia would kill its own civillians if they would be held captive (which they did in the end)
And after everything that happened in Chechnya (im from the Caucasus) it is understandable why they went to the scholl.
(That doesnt excuse their crime of killing children for which they will burn in hell)

You are right, do not mind him he has a habit of making connections that do not exist. Beslan tragedy was a hostage situation which became a chaotic slaughter house due to messed up decisions made by the FSB. Peshawar attack was straight killing with no intent to negotiate.

 

[Kashmiri Nationalist]

I never made the suggestion of 200 million, you seem to think in absolutes to extract change. The Majority is 51%. 51% is enough to allow for the rest of the national character to be subdued beyond anything more than token presence.

Ha, so 102million is a realistic figure? Okay.

 

[OTTOMAN]

It is fact. Unfortunately, TTP is provided with safe haven in Afghanistan.

Afghanistan is a sacred regime.... how dare you point fingers at them.
Why don't you give in and agree that TTP leadership is issuing press releases from the comfort zones on our side of the border and weapons grows on trees, money come from zakat (funny though) and rest of the illogical bla bla bla.... about this sect. and that sect.... which smells rotten till core.

 

[Dubious]

What Islamic ways? What the heck are these?
Do these consist of praying like the Arabs do? Having a Gutteral accent when reciting the Quran? Wearing a thawb and calling yourself Abu Khalid Ibn Rathore?

Now you sound like the Mullah ...They are like why are you not like that you should be like me ...clones...

While you are acting the exact opposite why are you like that....

It is people's choice ...both extremes (mullah and your type) need to respect a choice!

 

[Secur]

or forced captors

No lying to ourselves at least!

You really think that millions of people were taken as hostage by terrorists? The revelations by ISPR about the terror economy thriving in the tribal areas, has been quite enlightening, as of late.

 

[Kashmiri Nationalist]

Patience.
The systematic elimination starts with the ways of propagation; the internet is the first stop.. then the curriculum and teachers themselves at Madressas/mosques..and so on.
The counter ideology, is the best part.. it aleady exists.. it already worked.. its the Sufi ideals you referred to. The only issue there is that this ideology has been left to rot and ruin.. without support.

You still haven't presented a mechanism. Also, Sufism is too diverse to be labelled as an ideology (please don't tell me you deliberately made this mistake, it's rather - like Machaivelli, shoddy). You also don't have to be a Sufi to oppose such barbarism.

 

[Dubious]

I never made the suggestion of 200 million, you seem to think in absolutes to extract change. The Majority is 51%. 51% is enough to allow for the rest of the national character to be subdued beyond anything more than token presence.

You would think someone from that 51 % would realize something is wrong when you are told to shoot children at school

No lying to ourselves at least!

You really think that millions of people were taken as hostage by terrorists? The revelations by ISPR about the terror economy thriving in the tribal areas, has been quite enlightening, as of late.

Millions? How did that area have millions of people?

And not all but some were def...And this was brought up when people said "blindly bomb" areas where suspects live...

 

[Secur]

weapons grows on trees

Weapons? Those need to come from foreign countries despite being available in the country en masse and produced for the folks to be used as "jewellery". Are you kidding me?

Millions? How did that area have millions of people?

And not all but some were def...And this was brought up when people said "blindly bomb" areas where suspects live...

What is the population of the tribal areas, according to you?

 

[Vassnti]

No words can be adequate at such a time

My thoughts and prayers are for those who have lost loved ones and for all of Pakistan during this tragedy.

It makes events here in Australia seem very small

 

[Kashmiri Nationalist]

Also the example of educated Muslims going over to fight for ISIS is a dubious one: black sheep do exist. You also forget the context: a very, very, very small number. Feel free to look up how many terrorists are degree holders or were went through a proper education system, as opposed to those who do and didn't.

 

[SQ8]

Now you sound like the Mullah ...They are like why are you not like that you should be like me ...clones...

While you are acting the exact opposite why are you like that....

It is people's choice ...both extremes (mullah and your type) need to respect a choice!

Good, now we're getting there. So if someone's choice needs respect.. then how do we decide that what Islamic values are the choice they will choose as their values? Hence my objection at the rather open interpretation of Islamic values. What are these? Because if at the end of having Islam as a core subject from primary school till University we still are not on Islamic values.. clearly choices being made are from incorrect information.