Persian gulf or Arabian gulf?

[Hack-Hook]

ALL people living around the gulf are Arabs. Bahrain, UAE, Oman, Qatar, Kuwait, S.Arabia, Iraq and Ahwaz.
So obviously its the Arab Gulf.

well ,you are parroting Saddam claims Iran has about 1,5milion Arab but the province around Persian gulf have more than 8milion population.

by the way for example Bushehr province only have 20,000 Arab also you must consider we have Arabs in province like Fars and Khorasan and Semnan that have nothing to do with Persian gulf . so the real arab population of iran around persian gulf is far less . and as Previously stated Ahvaz is a city not province and also its a persian word not Arabic word and for the refrence to enlighten you the A in the beginning of Ahvaz refer to Ahura Mazda . now you want to claim that Arab were Zoroastrian ? I thought you believed Zoroastrian are fire worshipers and Arabs are far about these sort of depravity


this article can be informative for you
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2001/10/is_iran_an_arab_country.html

 

[Hack-Hook]

what a fool, its an arab name: Ahwaz Not Ahvaz. But you language is too weak to prnouحnce ح.


Actually the Arab territory shoreline is much longer.


The factually incorrect. check wikipedia

thas Ahvaz not Ahwaz and it always was a Persian name not arabic
by the way let look at Wikipedia
List of islands in the Persian Gulf - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

then for example let look at the Islands that belong to Bahrain
File:Bahrain location map.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

then let look at Kuwait Islands

now its time for UAE

know let look at Iran Islands

Farsi Island - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Hack-Hook]

Because of the proofs of the ancient-est civilization we can work out, almost all of them are located at modern day Iraq...

Its very hard to believe in India and China and Central America there was not any civilisation at the time
and we have in the old books stories about Atlantis that no civilization could compete with them.


I believe you can call Mesopotamia cradle of civilization in middle east but at the time we had civilization in South east of Iran that their territory were from central Iran in the west to Indus in the east , in Egypt we had civilization , in India there were civilization in china there was civilization and in central America there was Civilization , just because in 19 century European began digging Archeological site in middle east its no reason there was no other old civilization in other places around the world.

 

[Al Bhatti]

Arabian sailors used to travel all the way to India and China for trade. The land of UAE and Oman had one of the biggest sailing industries in the region if not the world historically.

Lazy fat Arabs?

Persia is an ancient civilization and had controlled that waterway for thousands of years. And thus, it has the right to be called the Persian Gulf.

Don't know why this is up for debate.

what a ridiculous people. they have no history so they always steal others.
it is NOT our fault you have no history.

My brother why do you argue with these lowlifes?
you are giving them the satisfaction, they have no history.

If Persia has history of thousands of years so do Arabs, They did not just fall form the sky one fine day while Persia was enjoying it's civilization, or did they?

thanks to all people here who respects the international laws.

The same international law for deciding the island Issue? The same International Law for which "The UAE stands ready to risk its historic and legal facts and win or lose at the International Court of Justice."

I gave historical references with sources yet no one had the bravery to challenge the history I brought to the table. You have true history in front of you in post #46 and #75 and you are free to decide for yourself. Adious.

So if anyone asks me what name do you want to call it I would personally say "The sea of the Earth God" since it is the oldest recorded name of the Arabian Gulf.

And since when do they check for real references.

Bring them something cooked up on Fars news or Press TV no one will even dare to question the credibility. The references you provided are all forged and hence they are not used by credible sources like Fars TV or Press TV.

LoL the Wikipedia page is so full of $hit clearly a Persian has wrote it.

Yes they can edit the English and Persian part to their favor but no luck with the Arabic part, hard luck for them.

How about we just call it Arab-Persian Gulf and end this nonsense?

The ruler of Sharjah (one of 7 Arab Emirates making the United Arab Emirates and of the 6 Arabian Gulf Co-operation Council located on the Arabian Gulf) had suggested some years back to the Iranians to change the name to "The Green Gulf"

No positive response from the other end as usual.

no because those Islands have always belonged to Iran only in 1921 Britain occupied it but in 1971 one day before their army leave Persian gulf ,our army attacked and without firing a single bullet we defeated occupying army and took those Islands back and sadly in that operation 3 of our brave soldiers have been martyred

So those three were coward enough to not use their pistols/guns/rifles?

Iranian like wasting their times with these low lives.
2500 years Draius the Great names this persian gulf.
gulf arabs were invented by the British about 100 years ago.

What were the chemical compositions used in the invention/experiment.

Well eventually after you invented Arabs things have gone out of your control big time, didn't they?:

You have lost your so called part of the Persia across the gulf what is now UAE and surrounding areas

You have issues for the islands with the Arabs invented by you

Your economy is way down compared to the economies of the Arabs invented by you

Your people now go to outside Iran (even to the areas of the Arabs invented by you) for their livelihood

Need more?

Speak english....
just because you make no sense in english you try speaking in another language?
bullshit is the same in any language.

See the first non-English post which started it, oh well you people don't see anything when something out of the rules is done because you like it, but other times you get four eyes to see something wrong when it is what you don't like

ALL people living around the gulf are Arabs. Bahrain, UAE, Oman, Qatar, Kuwait, S.Arabia, Iraq and Ahwaz.
So obviously its the Arab Gulf.

Yes, they did not have any sea shore to begin with, how can a gulf be named after a country that did not even have shore on the gulf.

Lord Curzon says in his book "Persia" (If i remember the name of the book correctly) that the Persians are a nation having an historic inherited fear of the sea.

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I can post a copy of a map as old as 1587 with Arabian Gulf.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Arabian sea should be named Pakistani sea?lol

 

[Abii]

Attention all camels

 

[Hack-Hook]

So those three were coward enough to not use their pistols/guns/rifles?

no they were brave enough to keep their composure in face of threat ,they were professional enough to follow military order even when they come under fire unlike local Arab police who could not follow the orders of sheikh of Sharejeh do you knew he even sent his own brother to welcome Iranian forces ?

have you asked yourself why when 1992 UAE put the matter of the island in front of UNSC and they dropped the matter for ever from all UAE Emirs only Sheikh of Sharejeh who had the must reason to support such act were against sending the matter to UNSC

do you knew even in 1933 when the islands were occupied by British forces still Iranian flag were raised on these islands
do you knew in in 1966 Iran threaten Britain to go and complain to UN decolonization committee and then Britain told that there is no need for that and the return the Islands to Iran

 

[TrMhMt]

In Turkiye we call it "Hormuz Gulf" But it must be "Persian Gulf".

 

[Banu Umayyah]

well ,you are parroting Saddam claims Iran has about 1,5milion Arab but the province around Persian gulf have more than 8milion population.

by the way for example Bushehr province only have 20,000 Arab also you must consider we have Arabs in province like Fars and Khorasan and Semnan that have nothing to do with Persian gulf . so the real arab population of iran around persian gulf is far less . and as Previously stated Ahvaz is a city not province and also its a persian word not Arabic word and for the refrence to enlighten you the A in the beginning of Ahvaz refer to Ahura Mazda . now you want to claim that Arab were Zoroastrian ? I thought you believed Zoroastrian are fire worshipers and Arabs are far about these sort of depravity


this article can be informative for you
Is Iran an Arab Country? - Slate Magazine

Ahwaz is not a city its a country you controlled since 1925. The name is an Arabic name. Ahwaz not ahvaz.

 

[Juice]

I suppose if Zionists were bankrolling the Fifth Fleet by buying U.S. debt by the trillion it would be called the Zionist Gulf!

Thanx, 5th Fleet. I knew 6th wasn't it, but didn't want to look it up.

 

[Al Bhatti]

no they were brave enough to keep their composure in face of threat ,they were professional enough to follow military order even when they come under fire unlike local Arab police who could not follow the orders of sheikh of Sharejeh do you knew he even sent his own brother to welcome Iranian forces ?

The soldiers of the local police force on the Greater Tunb were the brave ones who fought till the last man and the last bullet against the shah's military. Fighter Planes were hovering over the island + hover crafts came to the shores + helicopters were used to land commandoes + naval war ships (two for each island) against soldiers stationed their on routine who had just shotguns and British-made machine guns. Around 200 Iranians soldiers were landed on the Greater Tunb.

Four officers of local police force were injured and one was killed, and in return 3 Iranians were killed. Comparing the military hardware advantage and experience between Ras Al Khaimah Police force and the Shah's army at that time it is for the readers to decide who were brave and fought courageously.

And also the first shots were fired by the Iranians not the Islanders or the Police Force who picked up their shotguns and British-made machine guns and stationed themselves at the windows of the two-room station in defensive mode as the Iranian soldiers came ashore.

Suhail whose picture i posted in another thread (and declared as fake by people on this forum), his brother who was a police officer at RAK's main police station was on duty on main land Ras Al Khaimah at the time of the invasion and he knew something was terribly wrong when communication with the island was cut abruptly, and an urgent message in Morse code being cut off in mid-transmission. Communication to the mainland was cut as police sent a Morse code message to the RAK Ruler, Sheikh Saqr bin Mohammed, as the Iranians arrived at dawn.

One more small information, the Shah's army used one of the 3 foreign reporters who were on the islands earlier spying for Iran as Iran knew the topography of the Greater Tunb but did not know the number of soldiers (police force) and the number of inhabitants on the islands.

It was the month of Shawwal, and the islanders were observing fast and the Iranians forced them to leave the islands on fishing dhows, they did not even give them time to pack their belongings.

Sharjah ruler agreed to share the island with the Shah (during the negotiations Shah expressed for leasing the islands) for a certain period until the issue is solved by negotiations. Sharjah agreed allowing Iran to even station military in the northern part and that Sharjah's flag will be hoisted on both the northern and southern part during the agreed period. This is where they had control of the northern part and later on they took over the southern part militarily. As Iranians claimed the islands; you don't lease something which you already own, or maybe Iranians have a different rule in this regards.

On the other hand Ras Al Khaimah ruler did not agree to share the island even for a short period as he believed that allowing so will some what subdue the cause of the islands as Islands of Arabs.

do you knew even in 1933 when the islands were occupied by British forces still Iranian flag were raised on these islands

Where was Iran when this happened? The previous ruler of Ras Al Kahimah Grand Father of the current ruler during the ceremony of hoisting the Flag on a flag post on the island. He ruled between 1917 and 1919.

Then why did Iran decide to talk in 1992?

Sharjah flag on Abu Musa, where was Iran when this flag was hoisted

do you knew in in 1966 Iran threaten Britain to go and complain to UN decolonization committee and then Britain told that there is no need for that and the return the Islands to Iran

Nothing un-usual of Iranians threatening everyone no matter how peacefully they act with Iran.

So during the negotiations before 1971, why did Shah wanted to lease the 3 islands from Sharjah and Ras Al Khaimah and Shah agreed for a set amount of money and for a set period of time?

 

[SOHEIL]

Ahwaz is not a city its a country you controlled since 1925. The name is an Arabic name. Ahwaz not ahvaz.

Banu Umayyah or saddam !?

 

[SHAHED]

Ahwaz is not a city its a country you controlled since 1925. The name is an Arabic name. Ahwaz not ahvaz.

your fake avatar shows your mind !

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Ahwaz is not a city its a country you controlled since 1925. The name is an Arabic name. Ahwaz not ahvaz.

It's Al-Ahwaz bro not Ahwaz.

 

[raptor22]

Saudi Arabian Map of 1952 displaying the correct name for the Persian Gulf.

Map of the Persian Gulf in the Dubai Museum. Note how the word “Persian” has been blotted out. This questions the impartiality of the museum as well as its adherance to honest historiography.


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