Persecution of Ahmadis in Pakistan contradicts the teachings of Islam

[M. Sarmad]

Absolutley, he changed his opinion on Hindu Muslim unity after experience. Recorded history, that shows his behavior. Would you like a link to Wolpert's birography or that by Fatima Jinnah?

Surah Ahzab
33:40

Muhammad is not the father of [any] one of your men, but [he is] the Messenger of Allah and last of the prophets. And ever is Allah , of all things, Knowing.

Just provided the proof above for the Quran, please do not shoot tangents and now defend your baseless argument. Or will you shoot the usual tangent?

So you admit that you have nothing to back up your childish claim ... And No I don't need any links. I know what I am talking about ...


As for the Quranic verse you have mentioned, you are being dishonest now ... Khatam un Nabiyeen is "Seal of the Prophets" not "Last of the Prophets"

Ahmadis do consider Muhammad as the "Seal of the Prophets"

They just have a different interpretation of the term

And they are not the only ones who have interpreted this verse differently


1: Hazrat Mohyiud Din Ibni Arabi (1165 to 1240 AD) wrote in his book Fauhati Makiyya, Vol. 1, p.545

‘From the study and contemplation of the Darud we have arrived at the definite conclusion that there shall, from among the Muslims, certainly be persons whose status, in the matter of prophethood, shall advance to the level of prophets, if Allah pleases. But they shall not be given any book of law’

2: Hazrat Jalalud Din Rumi (1207 to 1273 AD) wrote in Mathnavi Maulana Rum, Chpater 1, p.53

‘Strive hard in the path of virtue in a manner so that you may be blessed with prophethood and you still be a follower’

3: Mujaddid Alf Thānī (1564 to 1624 AD) he is considered reviver of the second millennium. In Maktubat Imam Rabbani Hazrat Mujaddid Alif Thani

“The rising of a prophet after the Khatamar Rusul Hazrat Muhammad, the chosen one, peace and blessings be upon him, from among his how followers and as a heritage, does not in any way run counter to his status as the Khatamar Rusul. O ye reader, do not be among those who doubt”

4: Shah Wali Ullah (1703-1762 AD) says

“There cannot appear an independent prophet after the Holy Prophet, pease and blessings be on him, who is not his follower and his adherent” Al-Khairul Katheer, p. 111

“The meannig of the Holy Prophet being the Khataman Nabiyyeen is that there shall not now appear a person who God may appoint with a Law for mankind, that is to say, there shall now be no prophet who shall come with a new Law” – Tafheemati Ilahiyya


https://defence.pk/threads/ahmedi-c...ing-press-sealed.465268/page-10#ixzz4TtKHPfNa

 

[TMA]

I would be frank with you, see the very cabinet of Pakistan under Liaquat Ali Khan. We had Hindu Minister, Qadiyani Minister and lots of Christian bureaucrats. The nation was lead by a Muslim but it had no signs of discrimination for all.

We need to revive this legacy once again and be faithful to our people. Give them their due rights and trust me equally. The new prime minister of Romania is likely to be Female Muslim so why can't we choose a new prime minister a male Hindu? Nothing wrong in it...

The problems starts when a Hindu claims to be a Muslim or when a Christian claims to be a Muslim. Now Hindus (Vedantists) and Christians are not claiming this.
There is a difference. Maybe subtle but HUGE.

 

[Valar Dohaeris]

Let me do you a favor.

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@Azlan Haider this is the statement of Mirza sahib.

Can you please paste the link from where did you studied this. Always wanted to read their books in order to give SU call to many people but wasn't able to find them over the web.

 

[YeBeWarned]

Until Muslims stop relying on the Mullah, as a class, as a social existence; we are doomed.
Pick up the Quran, Pick up the hadiath, do at least one Ayah and three Hadiath along with a small section of the life of the Prophet.. and you will NOT need the Mullah.

It is insulting to follow a way of life and then leave it to an uneducated moron whose greatest wish is copulating with virgin hoors.

It was trend i think first started from the Abbasid Caliphate where the power lies with the Military commander and Mosques were Powerful but the Caliph himself is a powerless man .. people become lazy or they are told that religion is too complicated for you to understand that is why you need a Bearded man to teach you , Alhamdulliah i finished my Quran long ago and with Translation and Tafsir but multiple Scholars + School of thoughts if a layman like me understand the core values of Islam so than others who follow things which are not even or ever part of Islam ..
Qadiyanis MUST be protected by State as its their right i am against Discrimination but our Sunni's Extremist who like to play this Kuffr Kuffr game attacks them and so today we have Qadiayani claiming that they are persecuted by the entire Pakistan ..

 

[LA se Karachi]

That female Muslim is committing a sin. Blunt truth.

She is committing a sin by becoming the Prime Minister of Romania???

 

[Moonlight]

Ahmadis do consider Muhammad as the "Seal of the Prophets"

I mentioned you in a post with the words of Mirza sahib. How Do you defend it? You already have ignored one of post and I hope you don't ignore this one.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Let me do you a favor.

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@Azlan Haider this is the statement of Mirza sahib.

I personally do not consider Ghulam Ahmed as a Prophet of Allah (or even Mehdi)

My point is : We should not be the ones deciding who is Muslim or who is not ... That authority/judgement lies with Allah alone

 

[TMA]

Here is a

What we need to do is seperate religion as a qualification from state tasks. Remove the need to list your religion in the first place.

If someone is muslim and wishes to be judged according to Shariat - there will be Shariat courts available - so if you steal as a muslim, you get your hands cut off.

If someone does not identify as muslim, there will be common law available with the intention to use common law announced publicly.

Will massively solve all claims of Muslims and Takfirism in Pakistan

Also allow Christians to have their own courts and Vedantists to have theirs etc.

 

[Moonlight]

I personally do not consider Ghulam Ahmed as a Prophet of Allah (or even Mehdi)

My point is : We should not be the ones deciding who is Muslim or who is not ... That authority/judgement lies with Allah alone

*slow clap* dude slow clap for you.

Why the hell on earth would you defend their words then? Seriously?

I am sorry to be harsh but it was very irrational of you.

 

[SQ8]

Very sensible and appropriate approach given the climate.

Muslims must understand that there will be various claims of prophethood from both contrived and/or ignorant sources.
Reminds me of a joke.

A man went to a Mental institution for a survey on various subjects including religion.
Upon interviewing the first patient, he found the man to be very knowledgeable in all matters of religion and others. He asked that man, why are you here? You are fairly knowledgeable and seem sane so why here in the instituition?

The man answered " These people are foolish and ignorant, they consider me a knowledgeable person but refuse to accept me as a Prophet"

The Survey moved onto another individual and just like the last one he too seemed extremely knowledgeable, even more so than the first person. So the survey conductor asked him, " Sir, I just came from a very knowledgable person over there and he claims to be a Prophet of god"

To this the man screamed " He is a liar!!, I have not sent him so how is he a Prophet?!".

 

[Hyde]

No, it has not been, and cannot be proven through the Holy Quran .. Ahmadis do not reject the Holy Quran (or any verse).. They just have a different interpretation of a term used in the Holy Quran... Please read the Holy Quran yourself before making such claims.

The matter is quite straight forward for main stream Muslims.

There is not a single verse in the Holy Quran which has disagreement amongst any sect of Islam. Everybody disagrees on historical facts and not what has been mentioned in the Quran. For mainstream Muslims, they believe Prophet Muhammad S.A.W prophecised about Falae Prophets, The Quran clearly states that, The sayings of the Prophet clearly mentions that and there is no disagreement amongst anybody. Then suddenly 1300 after a man wakes up and claims that Muslims were idiot and never interpreted the verse correctly and that Prophet Jesus had survived and came to Kashmir (something the whole word was unaware of) and that je can interprete the correct meaning of Quran and Sahih Hadeeth according to his desire. The mainstream Muslims added just one more name out of many false prophets... some of them are mentioned here

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mahdi_claimants

And move on with it... There are also strange people evem in 2016 as if you remember there was a guy who came to TV 2-3 years ago claiming to be Prophet... The issue is, mainstream Muslims have never changed ounce of faith in this subject since the period of Prophet Muhammad S.A.W as whatever disagreements between sects of Islam are based on historical records/ahadeeth

 

[M. Sarmad]

I mentioned you in a post with the words of Mirza sahib. How Do you defend it? You already have ignored one of post and I hope you don't ignore this one.

Why would I defend Mirza Sahib's words or actions ??

 

[SQ8]

Let me do you a favor.

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@Azlan Haider this is the statement of Mirza sahib.

That is irrelevant to us, the fate of the Qadiyani sect is dictated to what they prescribe as accurate and not accurate.
As I mentioned, there are two disputes.
1. Theological and on Prophethood. This concerns us all and is best settled with debate and a amicable settlement.
2. Political and Financial, this is not concering religion as much as it concerns the exploitation of religion for financial and personal gain by organizations such as Sipah-Sahaba, Aashqie Rasool or whatever they want to call themselves.

 

[Valar Dohaeris]

So you admit that you have nothing to back up your childish claim ... And No I don't need any links. I know what I am talking about ...


As for the Quranic verse you have mentioned, you are being dishonest now ... Khatam un Nabiyeen is "Seal of the Prophets" not "Last of the Prophets"

Ahmadis do consider Muhammad as the "Seal of the Prophets"

They just have a different interpretation of the term

And they are not the only ones who have interpreted this verse differently


1: Hazrat Mohyiud Din Ibni Arabi (1165 to 1240 AD) wrote in his book Fauhati Makiyya, Vol. 1, p.545

‘From the study and contemplation of the Darud we have arrived at the definite conclusion that there shall, from among the Muslims, certainly be persons whose status, in the matter of prophethood, shall advance to the level of prophets, if Allah pleases. But they shall not be given any book of law’

2: Hazrat Jalalud Din Rumi (1207 to 1273 AD) wrote in Mathnavi Maulana Rum, Chpater 1, p.53

‘Strive hard in the path of virtue in a manner so that you may be blessed with prophethood and you still be a follower’

3: Mujaddid Alf Thānī (1564 to 1624 AD) he is considered reviver of the second millennium. In Maktubat Imam Rabbani Hazrat Mujaddid Alif Thani

“The rising of a prophet after the Khatamar Rusul Hazrat Muhammad, the chosen one, peace and blessings be upon him, from among his how followers and as a heritage, does not in any way run counter to his status as the Khatamar Rusul. O ye reader, do not be among those who doubt”

4: Shah Wali Ullah (1703-1762 AD) says

“There cannot appear an independent prophet after the Holy Prophet, pease and blessings be on him, who is not his follower and his adherent” Al-Khairul Katheer, p. 111

“The meannig of the Holy Prophet being the Khataman Nabiyyeen is that there shall not now appear a person who God may appoint with a Law for mankind, that is to say, there shall now be no prophet who shall come with a new Law” – Tafheemati Ilahiyya


https://defence.pk/threads/ahmedi-c...ing-press-sealed.465268/page-10#ixzz4TtKHPfNa

1. What "Seal of the prophet" means ?
2. Please provide the origional text in order to have a clear understnading as all of your arguments revolves around interpretation of text differently concept and words twisting is easy these days.
3. Hazrat Mohyiud Din Ibni Arabi did not said this in context of this Ayat. And he specivifically mentioned that the man must not be given any book.
3. Do you think what Maulana Rumi said coincides with Mirzais believes ?
4 Again please provide original text.
5. Again does this bears similarity to Mirzai believes ?

 

[Hamza913]

She is committing a sin by becoming the Prime Minister of Romania???

Yes. She will probably be forced to go against her fellow Muslims in favour of the Kaffir. She has now chosen them over her fellow Muslims. Unless she is ignorant of Islam, she is committing a sin.