Ahmedi community linked literature seized, printing press sealed

[M. Sarmad]

this is apostasy,in this case islam calls for the death penalty

The Holy Quran does not prescribe any worldly punishment for Apostasy (or Blasphemy)

Instead of spewing hatred here, why not try to read the Holy Quran yourself?

 

[Mamluk]

Discouraging or harming is also against islam you know .

Their literature is lie , and we should stop this by awaring people and that's all that's been ordered
. Else , no don't cross the limit .

Just report the false flagger.

 

[pak-marine]

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no,i say it because i have more islam than you and it seems quite apparent you no clue of anything regarding islam
so,until you get sufficient knowledge of islam,dont bother talking to me about this subject
i will post this hadith again

I heard the Messenger of Allah (saw) say, “Whoso- ever of you sees an evil, let him change it with his hand; and if he is not able to do so, then [let him change it] with his tongue; and if he is not able to do so, then with his heart — and that is the weakest of faith.”

[Muslim]

This is pakistan defence forum not a islamic defence forum so any one born in this land no matter what sect , religion , cast , creed have the full right to practice their beliefs and call themselves whatever they like and most importantly no ignorant creature can threat them or force them to change or convert atleast on this forum.

Let people use their free will spreading your mesage by terror / sword in 21 century .. sorry its not going to happen ! infact your kind have made Islam scary

 

[The Sandman]

What Jinnah said does not contradict with the Holy Quran ..

It only contradicts with "Your" understanding/interpretation of Quran ..

Not only mine but understanding of millions of Muslims for over 1400 years all those companions of Prophet, so many Muslim scholars were wrong too than right?

 

[marj666]

"I have been asked a disturbing question, as to who among the Muslims can be a member of the Muslim Conference. It has been asked with particular reference to the Qadianis. My reply is that, as far as the constitution of the All-India Muslim League is concerned, it stipulates that any Muslim, without distinction of creed or sect, can become a member, provided he accepts the views, policy and programme of the Muslim League, signs the form of membership and pays the subscription. I appeal to the Muslims of Jammu and Kashmir not to raise sectarian questions, but instead to unite on one platform under one banner. In this lies the welfare of the Muslims. In this way, not only can Muslims make political and social progress effectively, but so can other communities, and so also can the state of Kashmir as a whole. What right have I to declare a person non-Muslim, when he claims to be a Muslim’" - Muhammad Ali Jinnah, 23rd May, 1944, Srinagar



“Ahmadis are Muslims, If They Say They are Muslims and No One, Not Even the Sovereign Legislature, has the Right to Say Otherwise." - Muhammad Ali Jinnah, 05 May 1944.

Quoting Jinnah eh, a politician a great one but you can't quote him here because it's not what Jinah said ,it's what MUHAMMAD (SAW) said and what ALLAH said

 

[M. Sarmad]

Not only mine but understanding of millions of Muslims for over 1400 years than right?

Well, Not exactly ... I read this somewhere:

1: Hazrat Mohyiud Din Ibni Arabi (1165 to 1240 AD) wrote in his book Fauhati Makiyya, Vol. 1, p.545

‘From the study and contemplation of the Darud we have arrived at the definite conclusion that there shall, from among the Muslims, certainly be persons whose status, in the matter of prophethood, shall advance to the level of prophets, if Allah pleases. But they shall not be given any book of law’

2: Hazrat Jalalud Din Rumi (1207 to 1273 AD) wrote in Mathnavi Maulana Rum, Chpater 1, p.53

‘Strive hard in the path of virtue in a manner so that you may be blessed with prophethood and you still be a follower’

3: Mujaddid Alf Thānī (1564 to 1624 AD) he is considered reviver of the second millennium. In Maktubat Imam Rabbani Hazrat Mujaddid Alif Thani

“The rising of a prophet after the Khatamar Rusul Hazrat Muhammad, the chosen one, peace and blessings be upon him, from among his how followers and as a heritage, does not in any way run counter to his status as the Khatamar Rusul. O ye reader, do not be among those who doubt”

4: Shah Wali Ullah (1703-1762 AD) says

“There cannot appear an independent prophet after the Holy Prophet, pease and blessings be on him, who is not his follower and his adherent” Al-Khairul Katheer, p. 111

“The meannig of the Holy Prophet being the Khataman Nabiyyeen is that there shall not now appear a person who God may appoint with a Law for mankind, that is to say, there shall now be no prophet who shall come with a new Law” – Tafheemati Ilahiyya


That's why I asked you to do some research bro


Allah knows the best


(I personally do not agree with Ahmadiyya views ... But I, just like Jinnah, believe that I am no one to decide who is a Muslim or who is not) ...

 

[pak-marine]

@Hrk19 are you pakistani for real ? i am asking since you dont sound like one you are either one of many bengali islamists or a troll messing about ,as you write the most hated posts against ahmedis and i bave never seen a pakisfani write such stuff against ahmedis ??

 

[marj666]

Clearly an indian modifukker, and a dumb one at that!

You pretend you know about Islam. So tell me, which Hadith is that from?

Just because you are illiterate doesn't mean we have to teach you ABC ,you should remain ignorant but I believe you will live happily if you remain ignorant and ill-mannered

 

[Prince of Dorne]

you weren't making any points in your so called debate and you didn't make any now either....what's that law in your country which lets DALITS have jobs other than your religion allowed them .... It's like American Negro league which consider them humans but not as good humans to allow them into MLB ....and your avatar shows your level of maturity not as much as your name. Years have passed but you are a dumbass

What are trying to say? please try to comprehend simple English and learn how to string together simple sentences.
You do not sound intellectually mature to me.

It is stupid to judge people by their user names and avatars, I bet in real life you judge people based on their looks. Calling names, throwing insults speak volume about your upbringing and moral bankruptcy, I do not wish to continue this debate with you as I don't intend to lower my level and you aren't worthy of a civil debate. Feel free to dwell in your ignorance.

 

[Secret Service]

"I have been asked a disturbing question, as to who among the Muslims can be a member of the Muslim Conference. It has been asked with particular reference to the Qadianis. My reply is that, as far as the constitution of the All-India Muslim League is concerned, it stipulates that any Muslim, without distinction of creed or sect, can become a member, provided he accepts the views, policy and programme of the Muslim League, signs the form of membership and pays the subscription. I appeal to the Muslims of Jammu and Kashmir not to raise sectarian questions, but instead to unite on one platform under one banner. In this lies the welfare of the Muslims. In this way, not only can Muslims make political and social progress effectively, but so can other communities, and so also can the state of Kashmir as a whole. What right have I to declare a person non-Muslim, when he claims to be a Muslim’" - Muhammad Ali Jinnah, 23rd May, 1944, Srinagar



“Ahmadis are Muslims, If They Say They are Muslims and No One, Not Even the Sovereign Legislature, has the Right to Say Otherwise." - Muhammad Ali Jinnah, 05 May 1944.

it is not legitimate to quote Quaid here. The problem is not their existence in the country but apostasy in Islam. The definition is very simple and believing in something which is strictly forbidden is not Islam but an act of duplicity.

 

[Mamluk]

@Hrk19 are you pakistani for real ?

No he's not. He can't answer my question in post #136 so he bailed out!

 

[Hrk19]

Clearly an indian modifukker, and a dumb one at that!

You pretend you know about Islam. So tell me, which Hadith is that from?

please stop accusing me for being an indian when i talk pro islam
or i will report you
now,the hadith is from sahih muslim,hadith number 34

@Hrk19 are you pakistani for real ? i am asking since you dont sound like one you are either one of many bengali islamists or a troll messing about ,as you write the most hated posts against ahmedis and i bave never seen a pakisfani write such stuff against ahmedis ??

yes i am proud to be a very religious pakistani
i love islam more than anything

 

[pak-marine]

No he's not. He can't answer my question in post #136 so he bailed out!

I thought so mate he sounds like those several bengali vigilantes doing their sharia petrol on this forum .. i am seeing more and more of these every day

 

[Flash_Ninja]

Discouraging or harming is also against islam you know .

Their literature is lie , and we should stop this by awaring people and that's all that's been ordered
. Else , no don't cross the limit .

This is a horrible viewpoint. who cares if they want to preach their religion, let them do so in peace.

if people in the west were openly saying the Quran is full of lies and such you wouldn't like it, likewise, you should be open minded and let these people do as they wish. Its a persons own choice if they decide to listen.

 

[Mamluk]

please stop accusing me for being an indian when i talk pro islam
or i will report you
now,the hadith is from sahih muslim,hadith number 34

Wrong!
Modifukking maggot - see my next post for verse number 34.