People from India, China out-educating Americans in maths and technology: Barack Obama

[INDIC]

Most western countries outside of US has government run health care. And they are inefficient. So they would go to India for minor surgeries that would cost much less. And this happen to the state of Tamil, not all of India. South India is much more develop and advanced than north India. No foreign medical tourist would go to north India.

How do you know that.

 

[INDIC]

You do realize that the India team sent to PISA test in 2009 is not from some rural village right? PISA test is for the best students a nation can send. If you believe "rural kids of Tamil Nadu" represents the best education in India, then there is clearly bigger problem for you to worry.

now do you realize how low the IQ you've sunken into after reading the above post # 108, 109 and 110 about your accusation of screening of Chinese students for the PISA tests?

The publication was done by the PISA organisation independently not by China!

Puff your chillum harder and see if there are any more ridiculous hallucinations!

Actually, you are not allowed to pre-screen the students. What you can do is to say which region can be tested. The students are chosen randomly. In Germany all federal states are obliged to participate.

Indian participants were villagers of Tamil Nadu, while your Shanghai is full of elites where they spend on average 30,000 yuans on tuition in secondary schools annually and 19,200 yuans on other activities. Now these guys are are comparing elites of Shanghai with the villagers of Tamil Nadu. LOL

Chinese government only allowed rural families with access to tuition and high fees in school to take part in PISA test for favorable participation and persuaded PISA authorities not to publish the result of rural China.

According to deputy principal and director of the International Division at Peking University High School, Jiang Xuegin:

Shanghai parents will annually spend on average of 6,000 yuan on English and math tutors and 9,600 yuan on weekend activities, such as tennis and piano. During the high school years, annual tutoring costs shoot up to 30,000 yuan and the cost of activities doubles to 19,200 yuan.

The typical Chinese worker cannot afford such vast sums. Consider this: at the high school level, the total expenses for tutoring and weekend activities in Shanghai exceed what the average Chinese worker makes in a year (about 42,000 yuan or $6,861).

According to the Rural Education Action Program (REAP) at Stanford University, high school attendance rates are as low as 40 percent in poor, rural areas of China. The dropout rate runs as high as 25 percent in middle schools. The schools are often run down and poorly staffed. Classrooms packed with 130 students have been reported. Children must often work to help provide for their families, and secondary school fees (high schools charge tuition) are too high for many parents. It is clear that the student sample sitting for PISA is not representative of rural Chinese youth as a whole, but hails only from families strongly committed to formal education and able to afford the tuitions and fees of high school.

And, once again, do not forget that the provinces with PISA test scores were not selected randomly; they were those approved for participation by the Chinese government. All of these elements undermine the representativeness of the PISA scores.

http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/brown-center-chalkboard/posts/2013/10/09-pisa-china-problem-loveless

 

[INDIC]

LOL, you can't comprehend the article you posted? You need to go for your own PISA test LOL, LOL
Andreas Schleicher, "the secrecy guarding most Chinese provinces’ PISA scores isn’t hiding poor performance that may embarrass Chinese officials. Schleicher also said he was not surprised at Shanghai’s good showing, but he was surprised at how well rural provinces did on PISA

The rural candidates of PISA test were screened by CCP from good families committed to education and high spending on education and CCP only allowed the result of Shanghai to be published. Your skyrocketing high IQ failed to understand the fact.

 

[Fattyacids]

The rural candidates of PISA test were screened by CCP from good families committed to education and high spending on education and CCP only allowed the result of Shanghai to be published. Your skyrocketing high IQ failed to understand the fact.

As usual, dumb indian burning with jealousy. Can't you argue based on facts??? Or is is your low IQ that you can't understand the article? The american author is axx sore that Shanghai took first place, arguing that Shanghai does not represent entire China. But every country is free to select the states or city to participate. China is so keen to test itself that it even volunteered 12 provinces to take the test, although Shanghai is the official entry. The rural province score came close to OECD average.

Andreas Schleicher, one of the OECD officials responsible for PISA, as saying, “We have actually done PISA in 12 of the provinces in China. Even in some of the very poor areas you get performance close to the OECD average.” Schleicher’s comment suggests that the secrecy guarding most Chinese provinces’ PISA scores isn’t hiding poor performance that may embarrass Chinese officials. Schleicher also said he was not surprised at Shanghai’s good showing, but he was surprised at how well rural provinces did on PISA.

You country selected Tamil Nadu, which is one of your strongest state in education. Yet it came second last in PISA.

Tamil Nadu is one of the most literate states in India.The state's literacy rate is 80.33% in 2011, which is above the national average. A survey conducted by the Industry body Assocham ranks Tamil Nadu top among Indian states with about 100% Gross Enrollment Ratio (GER) in primary and upper primary education

Shanghai spends more on students is not different from any city in China. All major urban city in the world spend more on education than the rural areas, be it China or US. Do you realize how dumb your argument is??? So if China select Beijing, are you going to accuse it of being elitist? Do you which city/state US chose their students????? There are big cities too I will give you a clue, you dumb indian.

You argument reeked of so much jealousy that you failed to comprehend Hong Kong, Singapore, Korea, and Japan top the test too???? Are you saying they are all only select students from good families?? PISA much pretty affirmed general population IQ and the success of the country.

 

[INDIC]

As usual, dumb indian burning with jealousy. Can't you argue based on facts??? Or is is your low IQ that you can't understand the article? The american author is axx sore that Shanghai took first place, arguing that Shanghai does not represent entire China. But every country is free to select the states or city to participate. China is so keen to test itself that it even volunteered 12 provinces to take the test, although Shanghai is the official entry. The rural province score came close to OECD average.



You country selected Tamil Nadu, which is one of your strongest state in education. Yet it came second last in PISA.



Shanghai spends more on students is not different from any city in China. All major urban city in the world spend more on education than the rural areas, be it China or US. Do you realize how dumb your argument is??? So if China select Beijing, are you going to accuse it of being elitist? Do you which city/state US chose their students????? There are big cities too I will give you a clue, you dumb indian.

You argument reeked of so much jealousy that you failed to comprehend Hong Kong, Singapore, Korea, and Japan top the test too???? Are you saying they are all only select students from good families?? PISA much pretty affirmed general population IQ and the success of the country.

Your skyrocketing IQ is missing my comment that candidates were sponsored by CCP taken from privileged families.

 

[Fattyacids]

Indian participants were villagers of Tamil Nadu, while your Shanghai is full of elites where they spend on average 30,000 yuans on tuition in secondary schools annually and 19,200 yuans on other activities. Now these guys are are comparing elites of Shanghai with the villagers of Tamil Nadu. LOL

Your lie is exposed!!!
Tamil Nadu is one of the most literate states in India.[1] The state's literacy rate is 80.33% in 2011,[2] which is above the national average. A survey conducted by the Industry body Assocham ranks Tamil Nadu top among Indian states with about 100% Gross Enrollment Ratio (GER) in primary and upper primary education

Chinese government only allowed rural families with access to tuition and high fees in school to take part in PISA test for favorable participation and persuaded PISA authorities not to publish the result of rural China.
http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/brown-center-chalkboard/posts/2013/10/09-pisa-china-problem-loveless

Why do Indian like to cheat and lie? Don't you have any shame? Is it something to do with your culture and upbringing?
PISA required students who take the test must be enrolled in school. Shanghai was the official entry!!!!!!!!!!! although other provinces volunteer for the test!

"To be in the PISA sample, a child must be attending school."
http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/brown-center-chalkboard/posts/2013/10/09-pisa-china-problem-loveless

Who takes the PISA tests?
Schools in each country are randomly selected by the international contractor for participation in PISA. At these schools, the test is given to students who are between age 15 years 3 months and age 16 years 2 months at the time of the test, rather than to students in a specific year of school. This average age of 15 was chosen because at this age young people in most OECD countries are nearing the end of compulsory education. The selection of schools and students is kept as inclusive as possible, so that the sample of students comes from a broad range of backgrounds and abilities.
http://www.oecd.org/pisa/faqoecdpisa.htm

 

[Fattyacids]

Your skyrocketing IQ is missing my comment that candidates were sponsored by CCP taken from privileged families.

Your low IQ impeded your comprehension, or you simply love to lie?

"To be in the PISA sample, a child must be attending school."
http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/brown-center-chalkboard/posts/2013/10/09-pisa-china-problem-loveless


Who takes the PISA tests?

http://www.oecd.org/pisa/faqoecdpisa.htm

Schools in each country are randomly selected by the international contractor for participation in PISA. At these schools, the test is given to students who are between age 15 years 3 months and age 16 years 2 months at the time of the test, rather than to students in a specific year of school. This average age of 15 was chosen because at this age young people in most OECD countries are nearing the end of compulsory education. The selection of schools and students is kept as inclusive as possible, so that the sample of students comes from a broad range of backgrounds and abilities.

 

[INDIC]

Your low IQ impeded your comprehension, so you can only make lies????


Who takes the PISA tests?

Schools in each country are randomly selected by the international contractor for participation in PISA. At these schools, the test is given to students who are between age 15 years 3 months and age 16 years 2 months at the time of the test, rather than to students in a specific year of school. This average age of 15 was chosen because at this age young people in most OECD countries are nearing the end of compulsory education. The selection of schools and students is kept as inclusive as possible, so that the sample of students comes from a broad range of backgrounds and abilities.

http://www.oecd.org/pisa/faqoecdpisa.htm

Chinese students performed well even I concede. But were approved by CCP from privileged family.

Tamil Nadu was the first state to implement mid-day meal program successfully to increase enrollment in schools and then replicated across India later on.

You can't compare some village kids of TN relying on free education and meal from government to kids of Shanghai who spends about 50,000 Yuans anually on tuitions and other activities. Now don't expose your skyrocketing high IQ again.

 

[Fattyacids]

Chinese students performed well even I concede. But were approved by CCP from privileged family.

Evidence before you eyes, how are you going to spin?
From PISA:
"Schools in each country are randomly selected by the international contractor for participation in PISA. "
http://www.oecd.org/pisa/faqoecdpisa.htm

Tamil Nadu was the first state to implement mid-day meal program successfully to increase enrollment in schools and then replicated across India later on.

Tamil Nadu is one of the most literate states in India. A survey conducted by the Industry body Assocham ranks Tamil Nadu top among Indian states with about 100% Gross Enrollment Ratio (GER) in primary and upper primary education.

You can't compare some village kids of TN relying on free education and meal from government to kids of Shanghai who spends about 50,000 Yuans anually education, tuitions and other activities. Now don't expose your skyrocketing high IQ again.

Even the most rural Chinese score close to OECD average, beating your Tamil Nadu which came in LAST!

Andreas Schleicher, one of the OECD officials responsible for PISA, as saying, “Even in some of the very poor areas you get performance close to the OECD average."

See how dumb you're now?

 

[INDIC]

Evidence before you eyes, how are you going to spin?
From PISA:
"Schools in each country are randomly selected by the international contractor for participation in PISA. "
http://www.oecd.org/pisa/faqoecdpisa.htm



Tamil Nadu is one of the most literate states in India. A survey conducted by the Industry body Assocham ranks Tamil Nadu top among Indian states with about 100% Gross Enrollment Ratio (GER) in primary and upper primary education.



Even the most rural Chinese score close to OECD average, beating your Tamil Nadu which came in LAST!

Andreas Schleicher, one of the OECD officials responsible for PISA, as saying, “Even in some of the very poor areas you get performance close to the OECD average."

See how dumb you're now?

According to the Rural Education Action Program (REAP) at Stanford University, high school attendance rates are as low as 40 percent in poor, rural areas of China. The dropout rate runs as high as 25 percent in middle schools. The schools are often run down and poorly staffed. Classrooms packed with 130 students have been reported. Children must often work to help provide for their families, and secondary school fees (high schools charge tuition) are too high for many parents. It is clear that the student sample sitting for PISA is not representative of rural Chinese youth as a whole, but hails only from families strongly committed to formal education and able to afford the tuitions and fees of high school.

And, once again, do not forget that the provinces with PISA test scores were not selected randomly; they were those approved for participation by the Chinese government. All of these elements undermine the representativeness of the PISA scores.

http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/brown-center-chalkboard/posts/2013/10/09-pisa-china-problem-loveless

 

[Fattyacids]

According to the Rural Education Action Program (REAP) at Stanford University, high school attendance rates are as low as 40 percent in poor, rural areas of China. The dropout rate runs as high as 25 percent in middle schools. The schools are often run down and poorly staffed. Classrooms packed with 130 students have been reported. Children must often work to help provide for their families, and secondary school fees (high schools charge tuition) are too high for many parents. It is clear that the student sample sitting for PISA is not representative of rural Chinese youth as a whole, but hails only from families strongly committed to formal education and able to afford the tuitions and fees of high school.

You ran out of lies, so now you quote from an article that knows nothing about PISA test? "To be in the PISA sample, a child must be attending school."
All the student who participated came from city that have proper school and education system, be it India or China. Otherwise they will not qualified.
Read PISA website.

http://www.oecd.org/pisa/faqoecdpisa.htmhttp://www.oecd.org/pisa/faqoecdpisa.htm

And, once again, do not forget that the provinces with PISA test scores were not selected randomly; they were those approved for participation by the Chinese government. All of these elements undermine the representativeness of the PISA scores.

http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/brown-center-chalkboard/posts/2013/10/09-pisa-china-problem-loveless

That was made up by you, shameless indian. Who are you trying to fool???? Every country is free to choose which province/state/city to participate in PISA. But the schools are all randomly tested by PISA.

http://www.oecd.org/pisa/faqoecdpisa.htm
"Schools in each country are randomly selected by the international contractor for participation in PISA........The selection of schools and students is kept as inclusive as possible, so that the sample of students comes from a broad range of backgrounds and abilities."

 

[INDIC]

@Fattyacids Your skyrocketing high IQ failed to hide the lies and deceptions created by your CCP.

 

[Fattyacids]

@Fattyacids Your skyrocketing high IQ failed to hide the lies and deceptions created by your CCP.

I presented you with facts and relevant articles by PISA itself. These are Evidences before you eyes, you still want to lie?????? Indians are the master of lies and deceptions, you have no integrity or credibility whatsoever.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

I presented you with facts and relevant articles by PISA itself. These are Evidences before you eyes, you still want to lie?????? Indians are the master of lies and deceptions, you have no integrity or credibility whatsoever.

They are just shameless. Normally people feel shame when they are caught pants down with lying but these Indians just pretend as if nothing happened and continue to lie and lie and lie and lie. They suffer what we call a severe form of Pseudologia fantastic or pathological lying.

 

[Fattyacids]

They are just shameless. Normally people feel shame when they are caught pants down with lying but these Indians just pretend as if nothing happened and continue to lie and lie and lie and lie. They suffer what we call a severe form of Pseudologia fantastic or pathological lying.

This is why the country is full scammers and cheaters from top to bottom. 30% of their lawmakers have pending criminal lawsuits against them.