What's new

Pentagon will deploy its new B-21 stealth bomber to Pacific

All wars are winnable, including nuclear wars. The most likely scenario is, over a Taiwan straits showdown, we incinerate a few American cities like NY and DC with our H-20 and the Americans surrender and attend to their own continent.

From what I read, H-20 will be a quantum leap (both supersonic and stealth) whereas B-21 is merely "what the overpriced hangar queen B-2 should have been in the first place".


I am still waiting for you to explain to me why USA can't stop China from bullying your country in the South China Sea.
I can't read this shit, my head is spinning. :hitwall::hitwall::hitwall:. Normally chinese members are delusional but no one can beat your delusion level.
All the countries, china harassed will be silent speculator? They want their pound.
 
.
I can't read this shit, my head is spinning. :hitwall::hitwall::hitwall:. Normally chinese members are delusional but no one can beat your delusion level.
All the countries, china harassed will be silent speculator? They want their pound.
LOL name me one country today who is standing up to China's bullying? I don't see even one. India tried and lost territory. :lol:
 
.
Yet I'm still smarter than you. What does that make you then?

If there's going to be frying it's just mostly going to be Chinese on the menu.
@KAL-EL Dude, you gave a Negative rate to @Feng Leng but this QUOTE suggests That Chinese citizens are being served to nuclear bombs on a menu. You Just fked up the Concept of Double standards. Lmao
 
. .
Honestly, for all practical military purposes, i dont see what these bombers will do...there is no ground forces for them to support, then they will get caught up in China's AD system or get chased out or bombed in it. the US has just been doing alot of military posturing...USN sent 2 Aircraft carriers to SCS a few weeks ago..another "deterrent show of force"....men...China can wait all day...and we're just waisting fuel on these ships and planes that US is scared to use.Is US feeling pressure from all the countries that look up to her? We have to be smart, timely and sharp.
What do you think is the purpose of a bomber?

To deliver significant amount of firepower to a distant location and return without the need to stop and/or refuel on a frequent basis. A single bomber can destroy as many targets as possible in a single sortie - a task that would require multiple sorties from combat aircraft to fulfill otherwise (risk factor notwithstanding). Bombers are ideal platforms to soften A2/AD arrangements in a span of few hours.

B-21 Raider represent next generation of stealth (ELO class); current crop of A2/AD systems do not offer a solution to VLO class aircraft, let alone ELO class.

The (former) Yugoslavia had acquired all manner of sophisticated A2/AD equipment of Russian and French origin in the 1990s including Russian [anti-stealth] types and its terrain compounded the challenge yet further. I can provide breakdown of the equipment, if necessary.

PRESS RELEASE before Operation Allied Force (1999):

WASHINGTON -- An allied attack on Serbia would begin with a barrage of sea-launched cruise missiles aimed at destroying the sophisticated air defenses that pepper the country's craggy hills, Pentagon and NATO officials say.

The missiles, each armed with a 1,000-pound warhead, are to pave the way for attacks by hundreds of NATO warplanes. Even so, officials expect casualties because of the anti-aircraft system, which is far more advanced than the ones encountered in the NATO bombing campaign in Bosnia in 1995 or in the continuing raids over the Iraqi no-fly zones.

To cripple the system, allied warships in the Adriatic Sea would unleash hundreds of missiles, possibly followed by attacks by B-52 bombers firing cruise missiles carrying 2,000- and 3,000-pound warheads.

100 SAM sites

Slobodan Milosevic of Yugoslavia has amassed an impressive array of 1,850 anti-aircraft artillery pieces and more than 100 surface-to-air missile (SAM) sites concealed in Serbia's forested and mountainous terrain, which resembles West Virginia's.


Serbia's terrain would be far more dangerous than the "tabletop" desert of Iraq, where air defenses can easily be spotted and destroyed. No allied planes have been hit in the patrols of the Iraqi no-fly zones.


"You can hide [artillery and missiles] behind a hill and stick an antenna up," said a NATO official, explaining that even powerful cruise missiles will be hard-pressed to destroy Serbian anti-aircraft sites that have been dug in.

Moreover, Milosevic has put together heavier concentrations of air defenses than has Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

Air Force chief's warning

Consequently, Gen. Michael E. Ryan, the Air Force chief of staff, has warned lawmakers to expect casualties among U.S. pilots.

"There is a distinct possibility we will lose aircraft in trying to penetrate those defenses," Ryan told the Senate Armed Services Committee last week. "This is a very substantive air-defense capability."


A Soviet-made surface-to-air missile brought down the F-16 piloted by Air Force Capt. Scott O'Grady over Bosnia in 1995. Several days later, O'Grady was recovered in a helicopter rescue by U.S. Marines.

Despite such sophisticated weaponry, no casualties occurred in the Bosnia bombing campaign, which some say convinced Milosovic to enter talks that led to the Dayton peace accord.

Ryan said the Yugoslav defenses are "more modern, put together in a better way, strung together in-depth" than the ones faced by allied pilots in neighboring Bosnia.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1999-03-23-9903230139-story.html

NATO knew and understood WHAT KIND OF DEFENSES they were up against in then Yugoslavia.

Yugoslavian A2/AD defenses were able to score hits on LO class targets such as Tomahawk cruise missiles and also on one F-117A Nighthawk (only a dozen created).

But they were unable to touch B-2 Spirit bombers which devastated much of Yugoslavia in just 50 sorties; traces of such destruction can be found even today after so many years of repairs.

Relatively inferior F-117A Nighthawk strike aircraft pulled off over 800 sorties over Yugoslavia in total. The one was that was shot down happened in the beginning when Yugoslavian A2/AD defenses were FRESH and in good form.

Operation Allied Force turned into a nightmare for Yugoslavia instead. Volley after volley of Tomahawk cruise missiles came first with EA-6B Prowlers and F-117A Nighthawks penetrating Yugoslavian A2/AD arrangements from the above. When one of the F-117A was lost in a sortie, then B-2 Spirit bombers came and devastated much of Yugoslavia in turn.

No country has managed to produce something on the lines of B-2 Spirit thus far - a 1980s American bomber design but SO FAR AHEAD of anything in the domain of aviation at the time that it fascinate people to this day. B-21 Raider is EVOLUTION of the same design concept.

Do not mistake these birds for some drones. WE are looking at things beyond comprehension of average minds in B-2 Spirit and B-21 Raider by extension. These represent the epitome of American aviation capabilities and expertise. It is obvious that greatest of minds are sought for these constructs and much of their respective capabilities remain shrouded in secrecy.
 
. .
Btw, itd be more than easy for Chinese Army to down these so called dark assets of Pentagon given Iranian experience in downing RQ4 Global Hawk

"More than easy" wow. The world should accept iran as a superpower then, wonder what indians are blabbering about :enjoy:
 
.
"More than easy" wow. The world should accept iran as a superpower then, wonder what indians are blabbering about :enjoy:
Given the Chinese technological advances itd be more than easy for their Army to down American shiny toys, i wasnt Talking about Iranian military bro, merely trying to say if we could do it then Chinese can surely do the same. Regards.
 
.
@KAL-EL Dude, you gave a Negative rate to @Feng Leng but this QUOTE suggests That Chinese citizens are being served to nuclear bombs on a menu. You Just fked up the Concept of Double standards. Lmao
That's because the US have NMD everywhere. The most likely target of China's nuclear weapons would be the US allies in the region like Japan or South Korea.

Even then they're still protected by NMD like THAAD & the AEGIS system.
 
.
That's because the US have NMD everywhere. The most likely target of China's nuclear weapons would be the US allies in the region like Japan or South Korea.
None of Chinese neighbors would pick a fight against China on behalf of USA led by Trump, not to mention the Chinese military power. China is a vast country with thousands of kilometers strategic depth, in case of a conflict you can add Russian depth to Chinese One. No Army in the World is capable of Taking on a 1.5 bn population equipped with bests of military hardwares.

Man use your common sense, Even Arabs of Persian Gulf are reviewing their relations with USA after Trump Administration took over white house. I expect the Wise people of Vietnam and Japan to reconsider their relations with mad dogs of white house who Kill their own people for a peaceful protest.
 
.
Why doesn't Taiwan declare independence then? Does India recognize Taiwan independence even after we spanked you silly? :lol:
It is already independent country. They claim mainland china (your ***) also so don't want to settle with taiwan.
 
.
It is already independent country. They claim mainland china (your ***) also so don't want to settle with taiwan.
They are immense pressure from mainland China, China will capture Taiwan what in no time if the situation arise
 
. .
LOL does India recognize Taiwan as an independent country?
My understanding is that, ROC is not ready to give up mainland china claim. Taiwan is practically a country, they don't have to declare it. If they declare, that is downgrade for them.
 
.
What do you think is the purpose of a bomber?

To deliver significant amount of firepower to a distant location and return without the need to stop and/or refuel on a frequent basis. A single bomber can destroy as many targets as possible in a single sortie - a task that would require multiple sorties from combat aircraft to fulfill otherwise (risk factor notwithstanding). Bombers are ideal platforms to soften A2/AD arrangements in a span of few hours.

B-21 Raider represent next generation of stealth (ELO class); current crop of A2/AD systems do not offer a solution for VLO class aircraft, let alone ELO class.

The (former) Yugoslavia had acquired all manner of sophisticated A2/AD equipment of Russian and French origin in the 1990s including Russian [anti-stealth] types and its terrain compounded the challenge yet further. I can provide further breakdown of the equipment if necessary.

PRESS RELEASE before Operation Allied Force (1999):

WASHINGTON -- An allied attack on Serbia would begin with a barrage of sea-launched cruise missiles aimed at destroying the sophisticated air defenses that pepper the country's craggy hills, Pentagon and NATO officials say.

The missiles, each armed with a 1,000-pound warhead, are to pave the way for attacks by hundreds of NATO warplanes. Even so, officials expect casualties because of the anti-aircraft system, which is far more advanced than the ones encountered in the NATO bombing campaign in Bosnia in 1995 or in the continuing raids over the Iraqi no-fly zones.

To cripple the system, allied warships in the Adriatic Sea would unleash hundreds of missiles, possibly followed by attacks by B-52 bombers firing cruise missiles carrying 2,000- and 3,000-pound warheads.

100 SAM sites

Slobodan Milosevic of Yugoslavia has amassed an impressive array of 1,850 anti-aircraft artillery pieces and more than 100 surface-to-air missile (SAM) sites concealed in Serbia's forested and mountainous terrain, which resembles West Virginia's.


Serbia's terrain would be far more dangerous than the "tabletop" desert of Iraq, where air defenses can easily be spotted and destroyed. No allied planes have been hit in the patrols of the Iraqi no-fly zones.


"You can hide [artillery and missiles] behind a hill and stick an antenna up," said a NATO official, explaining that even powerful cruise missiles will be hard-pressed to destroy Serbian anti-aircraft sites that have been dug in.

Moreover, Milosevic has put together heavier concentrations of air defenses than has Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

Air Force chief's warning

Consequently, Gen. Michael E. Ryan, the Air Force chief of staff, has warned lawmakers to expect casualties among U.S. pilots.

"There is a distinct possibility we will lose aircraft in trying to penetrate those defenses," Ryan told the Senate Armed Services Committee last week. "This is a very substantive air-defense capability."


A Soviet-made surface-to-air missile brought down the F-16 piloted by Air Force Capt. Scott O'Grady over Bosnia in 1995. Several days later, O'Grady was recovered in a helicopter rescue by U.S. Marines.

Despite such sophisticated weaponry, no casualties occurred in the Bosnia bombing campaign, which some say convinced Milosovic to enter talks that led to the Dayton peace accord.

Ryan said the Yugoslav defenses are "more modern, put together in a better way, strung together in-depth" than the ones faced by allied pilots in neighboring Bosnia.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1999-03-23-9903230139-story.html

NATO knew and understood WHAT KIND OF DEFENSES they were up against in then Yugoslavia.

Yugoslavian A2/AD defenses were able to score hits on LO class targets such as Tomahawk cruise missiles and also on one F-117A Nighthawk (only a dozen created).

But they were unable to touch B-2 Spirit bombers which devastated much of Yugoslavia in just 50 sorties; traces of such destruction can be found even today after so many years of repairs.

Relatively inferior F-117A Nighthawk strike aircraft pulled off over 800 sorties over Yugoslavia in total. The one was that was shot down happened in the beginning when Yugoslavian A2/AD defenses were FRESH and in good form.

Operation Allied Force turned into a nightmare for Yugoslavia instead. Volley after volley of Tomahawk cruise missiles came first with EA-6B Prowlers and F-117A Nighthawks penetrating Yugoslavian A2/AD arrangements from the above. When one of the F-117A was lost in a sortie, then B-2 Spirit bombers came and devastated much of Yugoslavia in turn.

No country has managed to produce something on the lines of B-2 Spirit thus far - a 1980s American bomber design but SO FAR AHEAD of anything in the domain of aviation at the time that it fascinate people to this day. B-21 Raider is EVOLUTION of the same design concept.

Do not mistake these birds for some drones. WE are looking at things beyond comprehension of average minds in B-2 Spirit and B-21 Raider by extension. These represent the epitome of American aviation capabilities and expertise. It is obvious that greatest of minds are sought for these constructs and much of their respective capabilities remain shrouded in secrecy.
USA simply don't have a medium bomber. B1 in its current modification is way past its original design on weight. It actually flies more during a ferry flight with 2 fuel tanks, than 3 because of that. It's a medium, to short range low flying penetrator in its current intended role. Europe was its intended home field. It is reported to have a disproportionately big logistic trail to its military value, and US airforce suffers keeping enough of them in the air.

US politicians didn't like bombers after Vietnam. US airforce specifically avoided calling F111 a bomber, because they were afraid of American politicians shutting it down, because of bomber anathema. Instead, they kept it under a weird designation of "heavy interdictor." F117 was also absurdly officially designated "a fighter-bomber" at least in part for this reason (and not much because of secrecy.)

It's latest bomber is best to say being a cheaper, smaller B2, more practical in operation, possibly faster flying.

Many military magazines write that USA has no real offensive plan for South China sea. Very likely, it will take over the B1B role in the USA's current defensive posture with accent on low risk, long range standoff weapons, and "containment."

No bomber other than overweight multirole crafts can launch from carriers, which means their heavy reliance on aerial refueling, and busy, vulnerable runways. Keeping few spirits in the air on standby for a low intensity campaign is a very different thing from an alpha-strike needed for "hot war," where the enemy will throw everything to make sure your airfield is no more, even if disproportionate losses are the price.
 
Last edited:
.

Pakistan Defence Latest Posts

Country Latest Posts

Back
Top Bottom