Penalty of Rs 600 cr may be imposed for Gorshkov delay

[SamantK]

Nothing you can do but troll- how is you SSBN coming?

Its already on a mission to keep an eye on timbaktu..

 

[asad71]

1.Probably a political gimmick by Indian leaders to answer the critics at home. Russia is not in the habit of paying fines. How will India realize this money if Russia refuses?

2. Shows the depth to which Indo-Russian honeymooning has dropped.

 

[somebozo]

hahaha hahaha hahhaha hahah they have got your AC and your money and you expect to impose penalty....Given Russian attitude...this one is going under carpet for sure.

 

[Sergi]

It was free, in the same way that Casinos offer free food and drinks. Along with (free) complementary gifts.

Now adays you can't assure the quality and safety of products.

Be sure to check "Made in" line before having any FREE food,drinks or gifts

India has no gut to impose any penalty. Indians talk of big talk, and then nothing. Indians will pay more before the ship got patched up.

hahahaa first get the guts to show your real flag

 

[Sergi]

1.Probably a political gimmick by Indian leaders to answer the critics at home. Russia is not in the habit of paying fines. How will India realize this money if Russia refuses?

2. Shows the depth to which Indo-Russian honeymooning has dropped.

1. Its India NOT BD to have change in forgineolicy and relations with policial party

2. Yes you dan see depth only when you are in deep hole. Not before that. Come out

 

[KRAIT]

hahaha hahaha hahhaha hahah they have got your AC and your money and you expect to impose penalty....Given Russian attitude...this one is going under carpet for sure.

Want to give similar reply, but don't want to derail the thread.

Considering the past history, Mr Moscow may end up screwing Bharat Begum for even more $$$$$$$$$.

Yeah...like US do with...err....leave it. Will fuel more off topic posts after this.

 

[Sergi]

Considering the past history, Mr Moscow may end up screwing Bharat Begum for even more $$$$$$$$$.

Sound like the words of experience after all Auty Pakistan is KEY ally in WoT to uncle Sam
But inlike our case the one who's god screwed got the money in form of aid. Now what you call to get money for getting screwed ??? ahhh I forget it was a nice name and ages old profession. Do you remember the name ???

 

[JohnyD]

Though i know that GOI is really angered at the constant delays over the INS viky, but i really think that imposing a penalty to the tune of Rs. 600 crore can be a real disaster at a time when the Russian-Indian relations are in bit of a strain & Russia is trying to find friends in this unfriendly world. Also, Russia has helped us in our nuke sub project, which no other country can even think of, not to forget the lease of Akula-2, this penalty can jeopardise the lease of the second Akula. Just wait for another year & IN will get a world class ship in it's fleet.

agreed, but they should not take us for granted all the time as far as in time delivery is concerned!

 

[fast]

India doesn't have any leverage with the Russians. Indians can keep crying. Russians simply thumb their noses at India's childish demand.

 

[arp2041]

agreed, but they should not take us for granted all the time as far as in time delivery is concerned!

Well i think that Russians alone should not be held responsible for Viky disaster, IN should also be somewhat held responsible for it, they (IN) were pitching for this deal since late nineties, & at the time of inspection of the ship they din't go into the details of the changes the ship has to undergo through, which resulted in the first delay & also cost overruns, way back in 2004 only (when this deal was signed) either we should had started building indigenous AC or should had looked at other options apart from Russia (since Russia itself hadn't achieved such a massive refurbishment of any ship of this size back than).

 

[SamantK]

Well i think that Russians alone should not be held responsible for Viky disaster, IN should also be somewhat held responsible for it, they (IN) were pitching for this deal since late nineties, & at the time of inspection of the ship they din't go into the details of the changes the ship has to undergo through, which resulted in the first delay & also cost overruns, way back in 2004 only (when this deal was signed) either we should had started building indigenous AC or should had looked at other options apart from Russia (since Russia itself hadn't achieved such a massive refurbishment of any ship of this size back than).

Another mistake India did was to overestimate the Russian capability in refurbishing the AC.. Russian after the fall of USSR had its skill in many areas split, one of those split is in the area of AC.. They did not have the complete know how, they took India for a ride and we rode thinking of the free vessel as a marvelous achievement..

 

[Sergi]

India doesn't have any leverage with the Russians. Indians can keep crying. Russians simply thumb their noses at India's childish demand.

But why are you cring right now

 

[Sergi]

Another mistake India did was to overestimate the Russian capability in refurbishing the AC.. Russian after the fall of USSR had its skill in many areas split, one of those split is in the area of AC.. They did not have the complete know how, they took India for a ride and we rode thinking of the free vessel as a marvelous achievement..

We didn't have much choice back then. We don't have the full capabilies even today late alone decade ago. Russian where not fully skilled. Agreed. But they were better than us. And no one in the world was selling us ACC like that. Look at IAC-1. It's not coming before 2018.
It wasn't a mistake but we didn't have too much time. And I think ACC like that isn't expensive for 2.3 billion with fighters

agreed, but they should not take us for granted all the time as far as in time delivery is concerned!

Genuine problem now. But Russians are proving notorious to follow the agreed schedule

 

[SamantK]

We didn't have much choice back then. We don't have the full capabilies even today late alone decade ago. Russian where not fully skilled. Agreed. But they were better than us. And no one in the world was selling us ACC like that. Look at IAC-1. It's not coming before 2018.
It wasn't a mistake but we didn't have too much time. And I think ACC like that isn't expensive for 2.3 billion with fighters

And Chinese had the skills? they never operated one as of a week back.. We could have paid them for the vessel and could have got Kiev and Moscow to work on it, paid directly by India..

Genuine problem now. But Russians are proving notorious to follow the agreed schedule

This is a cursed deal from the start

 

[Sergi]

And Chinese had the skills? they never operated one as of a week back.. We could have paid them for the vessel and could have got Kiev and Moscow to work on it, paid directly by India..

Chinese definatly have better ship building skills than us. That's true building is something and using it for actual purpose is different thing altogether.
Chinese will brave ACC in 7/8 years atmot