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Peepli Live Destroys Farid Zakaria's Myth of "Peaceful, Stable and Prosperous" India

Mr haq has posted some lame arguments in all his threads, some with age old statistics but to call peepli live not a bollywood movie is the killer one!!! U have proved that u know everything abt India including bollywood. It's time u move to India and get ur citizenship. Actually if u come and visit India I can start a thread titled "India visit destroys Riaz haq's myth of unstable poverty ridden toiletless India.

Slightly going off topic u wrote in ur other thread that Indians can't afford milk. My state kerala is celebrating onam today and poor keralaites spent 30 crores (abt $7 million) on alcohol. And in the last 5 days abt 120 crores. It's only the second day of onam and still got two more days!!! We sure can't afford milk but alcohol... no problems.. and by the way 30 crores is a record in one day.. now we will have to wait for Christmas to break this record. Oh yes hindutva bigots celebrate Christmas too.
 
There are some serious Indians who have the maturity to accept the very serious problems in India that are forcing over a million Indians a year to escape "Shining India"

India has some of the longest lines outside Middle Eastern and European consulates to seek visa, while many more are being trafficked illegally.

According to recent survey, 68% of Indians want to leave India for good and settle in Canada

A Zillion reasons to escape from India
 
There are some serious Indians who have the maturity to accept the very serious problems in India that are forcing over a million Indians a year to escape "Shining India"

India has some of the longest lines outside Middle Eastern and European consulates to seek visa, while many more are being trafficked illegally.

According to recent survey, 68% of Indians want to leave India for good and settle in Canada

A Zillion reasons to escape from India
i just read this on ur 63 years thread and here it has popped up again... so let me asku again...why did u leave pakistan for the US???

u r just incredible... amazing from a man of ur age...:what:
 
@RH Why you run away when questions are asked? You completely ignore questions which you have no idea about and post trash. Are you following the golden rules of winning an argument over forum where it says ignore the question you do not know the answer of? Please enlighten us all why Peepli Live is not a Bollywood movie and what is the criteria for being a Bollywood movie? Do not post trash like it is a serious movie or it does not have stars in it. Even a kid knows that is not the criteria. Hope you will face the question if you have guts, so far you have ignore more then 100 questions in last 2 days.
Someone who does not even know how a movie is called bollywood movie or not, should not preach.
 
Mr. Khan. In 2006, 53% India's wealth was owned by the Top 10% of its population, whereas the Bottom 50% had a share of just 8% (Source: BBC NEWS | South Asia | Key facts: India rising). The gap is expected to widen further, with nearly 60% of India's wealth to be owned by the Top 10% of its population in the near future. Therefore, there is no doubt that India is currently following the pre-Revolution French model (maybe inadvertently), where the Aristocracy (modern day Elites) depend on the peasants (the lower class, or the bottom 50%) and the noblemen (the middle class, approximately 25% of India) heavily, but must keep them down in the gutters. Hence, politics come into play, carrot and stick tactics come into play, and so on.

We all know how that model ended up. The poor can not and will not see the rich get richer for too long, and this is true for any country, not just India. If this really is the model India plans to continue, it doesn't bode well for them. Countries around the world strive to, sometimes, slow down their growth so as not to sideline a huge chunk of their population.

For example, it is not in Canada's best interests to spend a lot of money on the Oil Sands in Alberta while ignoring the needs of the rest of the country, despite the fact that the Oil Sands are the greatest natural resource Canada possesses after fresh water and timber (neither one of which can be sold for the same value as Oil). Canada wants to grow in that sector, but in a controlled way. Their approach is, hence, the opposite as that of India.

Now, compare India's wealth distribution to Pakistan's wealth distribution, which is much more uniform and by far the better way to go in the opinion of most economists. For Pakistan, the Top 10% own 27.6% of the wealth, whereas the Bottom 50% own 26.5%. The middle-class, therefore, owns between 40% to 50% f the national wealth (Source: Pakistan Poverty and wealth, Information about Poverty and wealth in Pakistan)

Polarization is not a good tactic. India currently relies heavily on cheap labor for its growth, and therefore, for it to continue its growth, it must keep providing the international community with cheap labor (technical and non-technical). It is in the interest of the Top 10% of India to keep the gap with the Bottom 50% as wide as possible for as long as possible, because it provides them with greater opportunities.

Here's what I mean. For common Indian to start benefiting from this growth, the wages must go up and so must the quality of life. This, in turn, will increase the cost to do business, and deplete the cheap labor, thus making India a less desirable place to do business. This cycle feeds on itself. Not to mention that increased polarization will compound India's political, ideological, ethnic and secessionist problems.

Now, let's come to my preference. I would prefer a slow, gradual growth spread out over many decades, rather than an inflating bubble that could burst (Dubai) or unhealthy growth resulting in polarization (India) or even growth only at the governmental level rather than the population (China). I prefer the post-World War II Japan model. It's brought them far, and made their society stronger rather than weaker.

dude ......pakistan still does not have land reforms which means feudal system is a reality there
 
A new multi-dimensional measure of poverty confirms that there is grinding poverty in resurgent India. It highlights the fact that just eight Indian states account for more poor people than the 26 poorest African countries combined, according to media reports. The Indian states, including Bihar, Uttar Pradesh and West Bengal, have 421 million "poor" people, compared to 410 million poor in the poorest African countries.

Developed at Oxford University, the Multidimensional Poverty Index (MPI) goes beyond income poverty based on $1.25 or $2 a day income levels. It measures a range of "deprivations" at household levels, such as schooling, nutrition, and access to health, clean water, electricity and sanitation. According to Oxford Poverty and Human Development Initiative (OPHI) country briefings 2010, 55% of Indians and 51% of Pakistanis are poor.

OPHI 2010 country briefings on India and Pakistan contain the following comparisons of multi-dimensional (MPI) and income poverty figures:

India
MPI= 55%,Under$1.25=42%,Under$2=76%,India_BPL=29%

Pakistan
MPI=51%,Under$1.25=23%,Under$2=60%,Pakistan_BPL=33%

Lesotho MPI=48%,Under$1.25=43%,Under$2=62%,Lesotho_BPL=68%

China
MPI=12%,Under$1.25=16%,Under$2=36%,China_BPL=3%

Among other South Asian nations, MPI index measures poverty in Bangladesh at 58 per cent and 65 per cent in Nepal.

Haq's Musings: New Index Finds Indians Poorer Than Africans and Pakistanis
 
In spite of all the diversionary tactics, obfuscations and denials by the Indian mob here, the fact remains that

INDIA IS HOME TO WORLD'S LARGEST POPULATION OF POOR, HUNGRY AND ILLITERATE PEOPLE, A NATION WHERE 7000 PEOPLE DIE OF HUNGER VERY DAY, 200 MILLION INDIANS GO TO BED HUNGRY EVERY NIGHT, AND TWO-THIRDS OF THE PEOPLE DEFECATE IN THE OPEN.

IN SHORT, THERE IS GRINDING POVERTY IN RESURGENT INDIA

Haq's Musings: Grinding Poverty in Resurgent India
 
Talking on bollywood who does not even know which film is from bollywood and makes blanket statements. All you are doing is pasting same stuff all over since you do not have the depth to argue with facts.
 
Well,Mr.Haq has used the term "mob" so thats an indication were are nearing to the climax.
 
Mr. Khan. In 2006, 53% India's wealth was owned by the Top 10% of its population, whereas the Bottom 50% had a share of just 8% (Source: BBC NEWS | South Asia | Key facts: India rising). The gap is expected to widen further, with nearly 60% of India's wealth to be owned by the Top 10% of its population in the near future. Therefore, there is no doubt that India is currently following the pre-Revolution French model (maybe inadvertently), where the Aristocracy (modern day Elites) depend on the peasants (the lower class, or the bottom 50%) and the noblemen (the middle class, approximately 25% of India) heavily, but must keep them down in the gutters. Hence, politics come into play, carrot and stick tactics come into play, and so on.

We all know how that model ended up. The poor can not and will not see the rich get richer for too long, and this is true for any country, not just India. If this really is the model India plans to continue, it doesn't bode well for them. Countries around the world strive to, sometimes, slow down their growth so as not to sideline a huge chunk of their population.

For example, it is not in Canada's best interests to spend a lot of money on the Oil Sands in Alberta while ignoring the needs of the rest of the country, despite the fact that the Oil Sands are the greatest natural resource Canada possesses after fresh water and timber (neither one of which can be sold for the same value as Oil). Canada wants to grow in that sector, but in a controlled way. Their approach is, hence, the opposite as that of India.

Now, compare India's wealth distribution to Pakistan's wealth distribution, which is much more uniform and by far the better way to go in the opinion of most economists. For Pakistan, the Top 10% own 27.6% of the wealth, whereas the Bottom 50% own 26.5%. The middle-class, therefore, owns between 40% to 50% f the national wealth (Source: Pakistan Poverty and wealth, Information about Poverty and wealth in Pakistan)

Polarization is not a good tactic. India currently relies heavily on cheap labor for its growth, and therefore, for it to continue its growth, it must keep providing the international community with cheap labor (technical and non-technical). It is in the interest of the Top 10% of India to keep the gap with the Bottom 50% as wide as possible for as long as possible, because it provides them with greater opportunities.

Here's what I mean. For common Indian to start benefiting from this growth, the wages must go up and so must the quality of life. This, in turn, will increase the cost to do business, and deplete the cheap labor, thus making India a less desirable place to do business. This cycle feeds on itself. Not to mention that increased polarization will compound India's political, ideological, ethnic and secessionist problems.

Now, let's come to my preference. I would prefer a slow, gradual growth spread out over many decades, rather than an inflating bubble that could burst (Dubai) or unhealthy growth resulting in polarization (India) or even growth only at the governmental level rather than the population (China). I prefer the post-World War II Japan model. It's brought them far, and made their society stronger rather than weaker.

Mr Ace,

People who can keep up with the pace of the development---will reap the benefits---. But at first you have to survive the time for it to get to you.

As for the revolution is concerned----that won't happen.

The revolutions don't happen in communities who believe in fate / destiny / karma. They poor and the weak will always blame it to their bad karma, the destiny and the stars that never align.

The bottomline is that india is not going to change the direction that it has chosen---they are already too far into their game plan---they are not going to start all over.

Good or bad---now only the time can tell.
 
There are some serious Indians who have the maturity to accept the very serious problems in India that are forcing over a million Indians a year to escape "Shining India"

India has some of the longest lines outside Middle Eastern and European consulates to seek visa, while many more are being trafficked illegally.

According to recent survey, 68% of Indians want to leave India for good and settle in Canada

A Zillion reasons to escape from India

HDR 2009. The Pakistani emmigration rate is 3 times that of India
 
Since you like Amir Khan, have you watched Sarfarosh. Can that movie be used to illustrate that Pakistani state promotes terrorism and treats Mohajirs badly because it said so in that movie.

I mean I am good with dated surveys and reports, but using movies to make a point about a country (I mean Riaz's post and not your point about comedy movies, which I agree to except 3 idiots) is as lame as it gets.

Riaz has now forced me to copy my friend FoxBat's signature as mine too. @Foxbat, hope you dont mind..


LOL.. No problems Karan Bhai. You could have told me when we chatted this morning. More the merrier..

The way I see such threads being opened here, I think all Indian members should use this signature.

Just to be clear, I borrowed it from Kartik
 
HDR 2009. The Pakistani emmigration rate is 3 times that of India

If the world, including US, did not impose quotas on Indians, every Indian would move out of India with the possible exception of its 50 billionaires.

A recent poll indicated 68% of Indians want to leave India for good and settle in Canada.

A Zillion reasons to escape from India
 
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