PDF Management Change

[MastanKhan]

Although it's none of my business, but this is a defence forum where people from different nationalities discuss and learn about strategic equations primarily in the subcontinent and few other things. There is no credibility in the electronic/print media about a forum of nameless credential less individuals who discuss things. For people to assume the forum would somehow be a tool to shape the image of a nation by sitting behind keyboard is farfetched....
@MastanKhan, your intentions sound very noble then why inaction on your personal front, why not make your voice heard in US, open your own radio station or podcast, or if nothing your own website, I am sure you could affor to do so, What actions did you take in your own part to be the part of the change that you desired to see....

Hi,

Outrageous as it may sound---I still need the protection and backing of peers. The backing of this board gives legitimacy to the voice and provides protection as well.

A lone person can be easily neutralized. There is strength in numbers---and by the way---I don't give a rats ar-se to 'noble intentions'.

 

[MilSpec]

Hi,

Outrageous as it may sound---I still need the protection and backing of peers. The backing of this board gives legitimacy to the voice and provides protection as well.

A lone person can be easily neutralized. There is strength in numbers---and by the way---I don't give a rats ar-se to 'noble intentions'.

A great man said once "jodi to daak shune keo naa ashe, tobe ekla cholo re"

 

[onionkiller]

phewwwwwww seems a star plus saas bahu wrangling is going on.


Anyway webby some senior members who are familiar with almost everyone should suggest you the names for mods through PM(irrespective of whether they have less posts or relatively less time spent here.)


I personally believe that once responsibility is put on even some harsh posters like RAZPAK, they becomes neutral.

Anyway good luck the forum is far far far better than almost 98% of international forums and some most popular international newspapers.

you mean RAZPAK. should be mods ? say clear that ban all indians. he is no 1. hater here toward indians.make Razpak mods than no disscusian bcoz he wil ban every indian who talk with logic. hope u got my point jana jiiii

 

[MastanKhan]

Sandy,

Please explain your comments. Thank you.

I don't live in pakistan---I only visited it twice in the last 30 years for just a few days. Pakistanis have no love lost for me---I don't have any love lost for pakistanis. I hardly know any pakistanis in the u s---.


It is my motherland that concerns me---it is the integrity of the name of my motherland that is important to me. I was a pakistani on and after 9/11 and will be so because that is my identity by birth---.

If a group of pakistanis on this board cannot back me up---then why should I be stupid enough to fight a war that is not mine. If the paks don't want to learn and see their folly---I can't force it upon them.

Looking at the response or lack of it from pak posters---I don't see any reason to open a web-site or a twitter or anything else---. I am glad that I did not do anything like that.

 

[onionkiller]

Bregs---peaceful civilian,

Thank you for your consideration---I resigned TT many years ago.

In 2006-7-8 when pakistan needed someone to do something for it in the u s media and this board had the capacity to do it if it stood behind someone---the leadership of this board failed pakistan.

What purpose did Asim aquil had on this board and to be in the position that he was in or he is in---is beyond me---. I have not read more dumb posts by anybody else----.

respectable sir ji. i am reading your comments, but dnt got any result. finaly i decided to talk with you. sir you wanna say that pakistan should help america to find out laden ? and pdf should support this idea ? sorry sir if i make any mistake

 

[Spring Onion]

you mean RAZPAK. should be mods ? say clear that ban all indians. he is no 1. hater here toward indians.make Razpak mods than no disscusian bcoz he wil ban every indian who talk with logic. hope u got my point jana jiiii

I stated it clear that being a MOD carries a lot of responsibilities and as well as reputation and even a harsh poster like RAZPAK will become a neutral person due to the demand of the post/seat.

as far as the ban is concerned Indians coming to forum with multiple ids and get banned every now and then not a new thing.

Modship on PDF is not about curbing opposite point of view neither its about banning people but to clear the shyt and BS rants and bad language.

NOTE: I don't think so except few any indian talks logic here.

Period

 

[Spring Onion]

Sandy,

Please explain your comments. Thank you.

I don't live in pakistan---I only visited it twice in the last 30 years for just a few days. Pakistanis have no love lost for me---I don't have any love lost for pakistanis. I hardly know any pakistanis in the u s---.


It is my motherland that concerns me---it is the integrity of the name of my motherland that is important to me. I was a pakistani on and after 9/11 and will be so because that is my identity by birth---.

If a group of pakistanis on this board cannot back me up---then why should I be stupid enough to fight a war that is not mine. If the paks don't want to learn and see their folly---I can't force it upon them.

Looking at the response or lack of it from pak posters---I don't see any reason to open a web-site or a twitter or anything else---. I am glad that I did not do anything like that.

Sir with due respect , this forum banned me for NO reasons despite the fact that I was one of hardly 5 or 6 people when this forum was formed rather born out of a well established forum, despite the fact that I stood by it through that troubled nascent period and till now. DOES it mean I should start settling scores?


On top of it at National level I was called names and this and that by anti-Pakistan Pakistani paid goons but I had to stand for my country where it needs me simple as that

 

[Hulk]

If you can learn to keep yourself calm with idiots(as is humanly possible), you are more than likely to be nominated. And quite likely from my PoV.

I am learning.

 

[SQ8]

Hi,

The issue is killing of Osama Bin laden in a timely manner and stopping the invasion of a christian army on a muslim nation.

Could you please be a little clearer in what you want to ask me---.

I want to request all colleagues---when you are so pi-ssed off at me that all you can see is blood and red and steam starts to come out of the ears---just step back take a deep breath.

Because you don't like the picture that I have painted---does not mean that there is something wrong with it or that it does not depict the events as I have stated.

Nobody is pissed off. But yeah,some are really really tired of nothing other than negative critique. The simple question is, what would you have done in our position? With lets say a thankless university on your head, bills at home rising , money reserves going down.. No jobs available in the foreseeable future, intolerance and terrorism on the rise and to top it all of.. as you put it.. everybody out for themselves and viability of a single man activist not looking to good?

 

[MilSpec]

Sandy,

Please explain your comments. Thank you.

I don't live in pakistan---I only visited it twice in the last 30 years for just a few days. Pakistanis have no love lost for me---I don't have any love lost for pakistanis. I hardly know any pakistanis in the u s---.


It is my motherland that concerns me---it is the integrity of the name of my motherland that is important to me. I was a pakistani on and after 9/11 and will be so because that is my identity by birth---.

If a group of pakistanis on this board cannot back me up---then why should I be stupid enough to fight a war that is not mine. If the paks don't want to learn and see their folly---I can't force it upon them.

Looking at the response or lack of it from pak posters---I don't see any reason to open a web-site or a twitter or anything else---. I am glad that I did not do anything like that.

I dont know if this is relevant but did you know what M.K Gandhi did when he was in SA, and saw the horrible ghettos Indians were living in??? He picked up a broom and started sweeping the streets, in a couple of days the entire neighborhood followed him.
I know most of the people here despise gandhi and wont agree his ideas could ever work, but then there is Anna Hazara who mobilized millions with the same principles.

the principle i am referring to "power of one". If you did have conviction in your own belief that you could change the image of pakistan, why didn't you start on your own?

As far as strength in numbers is concerned, why do you feel that nameless individuals under handles will have any credibility in the real media...

the last post i had quoted two lines written by Rabindranath Tagore "jodi to daak shune keo naa adhe, tobe ekla cholo re", which inspired a generation of satyagrahi's including Mahatma Gandhi and translates to "If no one responds to your call, then keep on striving alone"

Anyways I dont think it's my place to comment on this topic, I hope that my posts weren't offensive to you and accept my apology if they were.

thanks....

 

[Jade]

I stated it clear that being a MOD carries a lot of responsibilities and as well as reputation and even a harsh poster like RAZPAK will become a neutral person due to the demand of the post/seat.

as far as the ban is concerned Indians coming to forum with multiple ids and get banned every now and then not a new thing.

Modship on PDF is not about curbing opposite point of view neither its about banning people but to clear the shyt and BS rants and bad language.

NOTE: I don't think so except few any indian talks logic here.

Period

It would be good to see RAZPAK as a Mod.

 

[Safriz]

Sir with due respect , this forum banned me for NO reasons despite the fact that I was one of hardly 5 or 6 people when this forum was formed rather born out of a well established forum, despite the fact that I stood by it through that troubled nascent period and till now. DOES it mean I should start settling scores?


On top of it at National level I was called names and this and that by anti-Pakistan Pakistani paid goons but I had to stand for my country where it needs me simple as that

The trouble is that the forum is now run by undergraduates,teenagers and college boys.
When an undergraduate tries to set the pecking order right by stepping on someone who is a medical doctor and a PHD nuclear doctor with lots to offer,then bad sentiments are set to rise.
But the "Youth gang" also called team PDF takes it as a fair game,because to their insecure minds pecking order is the most important thing, and for that they will play down anybody who makes them feel threatened with his/her real life experience knowledge and "Different than their's" point of view...
Lets not discourage them,after all its all voluntary work and no matter which age group they belong to,they are here working for a cause (whatever that may be).
Mastan Khan, Mr.V(You know who) and many others who had been bullied and pushed way down the food chain,were all victims of "Generation gap" .
Obviously a 19 year old or a 20 year old will be more chatty to their age group (team PDF) and will be more accepted than somebody much older and their frequencies will match among each other,hence understanding each other due to being of same age group than older people like the us and the ones i mentioned.
I am not calling you old as i don't know you.But do consider GENERATION GAP FACTOR,and things will be easier for you to understand.
Regards.

 

[jaibi]

@MastanKhan @Dreamreaper

PS why don't you guys help us too?

I'm a college graduate and would want nothing more than to just be on this forum all day and here my seniors especially professionals and former professionals just tell me about their views.

We've a responsibility to the forum too, don't we?

I've requested sir, @fatman17 to author an article and he has graciously agreed, he's also agreed to be a part of our effort for a military guide, so what generation gap?

Maybe it's just me but I've found great people here.

 

[Hyperion]

I'm enjoying the show between saas, bahu and mohallay waalay..........


Regarding the neutralization-via-modship, I totally agree! Look at the devious ways of @WebMaster, how he neutralized the Emperor by sanboxing him within the confines of Naswarville......

phewwwwwww seems a star plus saas bahu wrangling is going on.


Anyway webby some senior members who are familiar with almost everyone should suggest you the names for mods through PM(irrespective of whether they have less posts or relatively less time spent here.)


I personally believe that once responsibility is put on even some harsh posters like RAZPAK, they becomes neutral.

Anyway good luck the forum is far far far better than almost 98% of international forums and some most popular international newspapers.

 

[untitled]

..........
Mastan Khan, Mr.V(You know who)......

Man I miss him