Pastor Burnson the innocent American priest in Turkey

[KAMDEV]

I agree...just that we should have shot Raymond Davis dead too

Chhorna nahi chahiye tha.
Koi mazburi rahi hogi.

 

[xenon54 out]

Personally, I think they should stop that personality cult.

Its not a personality cult, its deepest love, you didnt have a Leader like Atatürk who came to save you in your darkest times, neither do you have a nation state so i dont expect you to understand it.

 

[Bismarck]

Its not a personality cult, its deepest love, you didnt have a Leader like Atatürk who came to save you in your darkest times, neither do you have a nation state so i dont expect you to understand it.

You know that you are define personality cult contrary to your statement, it is not a personality cult. However, maybe we are to pragmatic and rational. At the end, we see Politician as employees who should do their job. If not, we would fired them, doesn’t matter if we “like” that person or not. A little bit distance is not a bad thing.

 

[Bismarck]

Was Gulen terrorist when Erdogan posed with him? If Gulen was recognized as terrorist by then Yes Erdogan can/should be judged, If Gulen wasn't, there is no harm tracking/checking anybody who posed with A terrorist.

Did you know that brandmarking terrorism is often a political decision. Terror Organisation today can be legal one tomorrow, just on political agreement.

 

[Bismarck]

280 sex abuses per year in Evangelical Churches.
I was more thinking protestant churches in Europe.


I see a guy with a scarf, and I dont even recognize it as a flag of any particular organistation.
Which flag is that supposed to be?
There are no agreements on who are terrorist and who are not.
The US considers PKK to be terrorists, but not YPG.

YPG is the Syrian offshoot of pkk. It’s not a secret. Changing label does not change that fact. It the same with Al Nusra Front.

 

[xenon54 out]

You know that you are define personality cult contrary to your statement, it is not a personality cult. However, maybe we are to pragmatic and rational. At the end, we see Politician as employees who should do their job. If not, we would fired them, doesn’t matter if we “like” that person or not. A little bit distance is not a bad thing.

Atatürk was a soldier before he was a politician he dedicated his life to serve his people even thought he wasnt supposed to do it, he got the death sentence for refusing to bow down to imperialists even thought he could have just accepted the order to retreat, he could have watched the european powers grabbing anatolia instead of organazing a counter attack.
Btw: ironically today is a symbolic day regarding Atatürk, namely the start of great offensive.

We would be ungrateful traitors if we didnt show gratitute for his extraordinary services for this nation, it isnt mandatory for Turks to stand still for a minute on 10th november 09:05 yet they do, you cant show a similar exsample like this in the world.

As said i dont expect you to understand it.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

There are more than enough proofs for Gülen being behind the coup, just because west denies it doesnt mean its all wrong.
The US also denied other regime changes/attempts for decades until it became declassified eventually, and this ist the first regime change in Turkey supported by USA either, this one will be no different.

I am not aware that people in the West has denied that Gülen is behind the coup.
The US has asked for proof before extradition can be considered.
What proof has been presented, when and where.

 

[Adıvar]

Was Gulen terrorist when Erdogan posed with him? If Gulen was recognized as terrorist by then Yes Erdogan can/should be judged, If Gulen wasn't, there is no harm tracking/checking anybody who posed with A terrorist.

He was...
Gülen and other islamist teror organisations were always illegal before AKP took over. Their members were not accepted by Turkish Army, Security, Police etc until akp came and opened the doors to these sheria groups..
Akp is guilty.

https://odatv.com/guleni-bitirme-plani-2004-mgkda-alindi-2811131200_m.html

 

[xenon54 out]

I am not aware that people in the West has denied that Gülen is behind the coup.
The US has asked for proof before extradition can be considered.
What proof has been presented, when and where.

Im not talking about the people but goverments, German BND says they dont believe it, on what Basis? Nobody knows.
Tonns of documents have been sent to USA, their answer: not sufficient enought, what kind of proof do they need to be sufficinet? Again nobody knows.

Look you believe it or not it doesnt matter the Turks know these people and what they are capable of, The US wont extradite gülenists no matter at what cost for obvious reasons so you can keep pretending as if the accusations were without a basis i dont care but dont come here with your ''i am right, all you guys say is conspiracy theory'' attitude, jusk know that you know nothing about this issue.

 

[Bismarck]

Some would consider arresting 100,000 citizens within a few days of the coup attempt,
a coup in itself. There is no way that this can be the result of investigations after the coup.
I do not have any particular fondness for Gülen.
I just note that Erdogan is not really Mr. Clean himself.

Do you know any clean politicians? Me not.

 

[Bismarck]

Atatürk was a soldier before he was a politician he dedicated his life to serve his people even thought he wasnt supposed to do it, he got the death sentence for refusing to bow down to imperialists even thought he could have just accepted the order to retreat, he could have watched the european powers grabbing anatolia instead of organazing a counter attack.
Btw: ironically today is a symbolic day regarding Atatürk, namely the start of great offensive.

We would be ungrateful traitors if we didnt show gratitute for his extraordinary services for this nation, it isnt mandatory for Turks to stand still for a minute on 10th november 09:05 yet they do, you cant show a similar exsample like this in the world.

As said i dont expect you to understand it.

I don’t say anything about Atatürk. What I want to say is, personality cult it is not a good idea. Raise person on socle force others to bring them down. Countless statuary of any person is a symbol of personality cult. A strong, self-confident, enlightened society don’t need this.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Do you know any clean politicians? Me not.

There are grades even in Hell.
We do not have anyone like Erdogan here, and that is a boon.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Turkey has a right to prosecute any criminal element and danger to it's society if the person is innocent they should get chance in court

 

[Bismarck]

There are grades even in Hell.
We do not have anyone like Erdogan here, and that is a boon.

Really? A. Gauland (GER), M. Le Pen (FR), G. Wilders (NED), M. Salvini (IT), V. Orban (HUN), C. Avgi (GR)...

No, I don’t share your opinion. Non of them are like Erdogan. They don’t have the format of Erdogan and none of them did anything positive to their homeland. If yes, you should proof it with evidences.

 

[Bismarck]

There are grades even in Hell.
We do not have anyone like Erdogan here, and that is a boon.

Can you explain us what exactly is your mission in Syria and Mali?