Parrikar pulls up DRDO for delays in key projects

[Iggy]

Even some of the ships delivered to Navy was substandard in initial days and look where Navy is standing now..If army had supported indegenious maal, things would have much different..

 

[Indian Patriot]

Even some of the ships delivered to Navy was substandard in initial days and look where Navy is standing now..If army had supported indegenious maal, things would have much different..

The navy is not fighting an insurgency, the army is. Do you want the army to go to the border with "substandard" equipment just to support "indigenous maal"? Why shouldn't the army insist on the very best equipment to safeguard borders and their lives? The army men are not guinea pigs and Indian security is not a laboratory.

 

[desimorty]

For all the 'Experts' DRDO does RnD not manufacturing. The INSAS is a fine rifle, even fires bullet launched gernades, does everything the army orginally wanted the rifle to do. The problem cam with OFB which is not DRDO!
Same is true for the Arjun.
Stop calling people with PHDs stupid. Its okay to critizice but remember how the Army is not a clean face. There are servicing officers within in India who are on Russia's industrail complex pay roll. Even if the Arjun is inferior to the T-90, how does a 60 ton tank rank up with a 45 ton tank? there is no comparision as this is apples and oranges.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Then why are you guys saying that those who criticize the Army are fools??....

According to your logic, a doctor(say) cannot criticize the politicians for corruption.....he has to become a politician and cleanse the system....
A Bank clerk(say) cannot protest/criticize police inaction(in any case)......he has to join the police force and do the job himself....
A Taxi driver(say) cannot criticize a doctor for 'dereliction of duty' which might have resulted in the death of his near ones(say) ....... he has to become a doctor and show how things are done....
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That is, according to your logic, no-one can criticize any other person for anything in this God-dammed world.........
I suppose, you've never criticized anyone in your life so far......you always did the job yourself.

Because Army recruits humans and no angels and all humans are not alike.Every Army in this world has wrong people.

Hell yeah you can criticise a cricketer but you would never earn a seat in a commentators box..only a cricket expert would.

For all the 'Experts' DRDO does RnD not manufacturing. The INSAS is a fine rifle, even fires bullet launched gernades, does everything the army orginally wanted the rifle to do. The problem cam with OFB which is not DRDO!
Same is true for the Arjun.
Stop calling people with PHDs stupid. Its okay to critizice but remember how the Army is not a clean face. There are servicing officers within in India who are on Russia's industrail complex pay roll. Even if the Arjun is inferior to the T-90, how does a 60 ton tank rank up with a 45 ton tank? there is no comparision as this is apples and oranges.

The Insas had some serious malfunctions in the earlier models from oil spills to it jamming time and again.

 

[Indian Patriot]

It is funny how common civilians know so much about corruption in army and who all are corrupt.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

It is the army who is the end-user of the product. If they are unhappy with something they have a right to reject. For the sake of going desi the national security cannot be compromised. Why should the army risk their lives and India's security by buying local weapons if they get better weapons from abroad for the same money? What is more important for you, the safety of the country or desi weapons?

The army did not say it is boycotting DRDO. If the DRDO is making good products the army will definitely buy. And this is exactly what Mr. Parrikar has told. He has asked DRDO to be more professional. Now will you accuse Mr. Parrikar of being corrupt?

@oFFbEAT - You are very casually throwing around charges of corruption. If armed forces are so corrupt as to buy inferior products because of bribes it is not only a big scandal but also poses serious threats to the country. Are you trying to suggest that? Or are you trying to suggest that armed forces of India can not be trusted?

@COLDHEARTED AVIATOR - It's no use talking sense to them. They will think you are trolling for stating the obvious.

Haha..some of the people here are so weird.If you criticize INSAS they think you are Pakistani and if your criticize BJP they say you are Congressi.

 

[zzebie]

It is funny how common civilians know so much about corruption in army and who all are corrupt.

That's because of the media reports that have come out indicating the corruption stories. Yes the army needs to get the best equipment. But to act as if there have been no acts of corruption in the Army or wrong doings as indicated by the post earlier viz T90 or Arjun is just turning one's head the other way.
Let's be fair here to both.

 

[oFFbEAT]

It is the army who is the end-user of the product. If they are unhappy with something they have a right to reject. For the sake of going desi the national security cannot be compromised. Why should the army risk their lives and India's security by buying local weapons if they get better weapons from abroad for the same money? What is more important for you, the safety of the country or desi weapons?...

You my friend, are unable to get rid of your colonial mentality. For you, indigenous products are always and has to be substandard....even if foreign products are under-performing....
You guys leave no opportunity to criticize 'Tejas' even with its smooth track record so far(I shudder to think how much 'hungama' you guys will create if any 'Tejas' crashes in future)..... but surprisingly raise no question regarding MiG's quality/performance even when the planes are crashing almost regularly killing Indian pilots.......there goes your concern for the lives of Indian soldiers out of the window.

Tell me, which country produces a perfect product right in their first attempt??
Are you aware of the number of accidents/crashes the Americans go through while testing their products and even with their tried-and-tested once?? Do you know how many Americans got killed in those accidents so far?? Do you think they are less concerned about their soldiers lives and/or about the security of their country??....

The army did not say it is boycotting DRDO. If the DRDO is making good products the army will definitely buy..

Even when people are giving you proof about Army's intentional sidelining of 'Arjun', you're in no position to accept that.....as I said, for you, Russian T-90 has to be better than 'desi' Arjun no matter what....
I'm NOT saying that DRDO is not to be blamed at-all or that it always provides 'up-to-the-mark' products but when proof of 'Arjuns' outperforming T-90s is there in the public domain and the Army still prefers T-90s over Arjun, then suspicion arises in the minds of common people......for uncommon, 'experts' like you, the matter is different ofcourse.

....And this is exactly what Mr. Parrikar has told. He has asked DRDO to be more professional. Now will you accuse Mr. Parrikar of being corrupt?...

I've no issue with Mr. Parrikar 'straightening up' DRDO, in-fact, that's what I want, along with 'straightening up' of corrupt Army officials....I'm willing to look at both sides of the coin, you guys are NOT willing to look at one side at-all, giving a total 'clean-chit' to the Army.

@oFFbEAT - You are very casually throwing around charges of corruption. If armed forces are so corrupt as to buy inferior products because of bribes it is not only a big scandal but also poses serious threats to the country. Are you trying to suggest that? Or are you trying to suggest that armed forces of India can not be trusted?...

India buying faulty MiG parts: Russia - The Times of India
For some top brass colluding with corrupt Govt. officials, I cannot say that the Armed Forces cannot be trusted......

 

[oFFbEAT]

Bro, it was recently revealed that the army purposefully gave the T90 relaxed parameters against the Arjun in trials, who does that? This was also the trials where Arjun performed on par or better. And to add they have been changing the requirements of the tank over and over and over again.

This tank was dead before it even started, because of the lack of communication between the army and drdo. Unlike the navy and it's own projects.

....such shameless act by Army??

... There are servicing officers within in India who are on Russia's industrail complex pay roll....

That's the only explanation I find plausible behind Indian Army's over affection towards Russian T-90s....

 

[GORKHALI]

It is funny how common civilians know so much about corruption in army and who all are corrupt.

You seems to be 1971 war veteran or Kargil PVC winner. You can go to D.F.I and check analysis by those who actually used INSAS 1B1 like Kunal Biswas not some tom dick harry like you or @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR who can't tell the difference between a carbine and an assault rifle.
PS-Not a personal attack.

 

[TWINBLADE]

You seems to be 1971 war veteran or Kargil PVC winner. You can go to D.F.I and check analysis by those who actually used INSAS 1B1 like Kunal Biswas not some tom dick harry like you or @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR who can't tell the difference between a carbine and an assault rifle.
PS-Not a personal attack.

 

[MilSpec]

You are 100% right.

I was in a discussion about INSAS and these idiots who have never even touched the INSAS are telling me that a soldier who has used this gun in field operations is wrong and they using their physics data available on wikipedia are right.

Then these morons accuse the Army of corruption for not buying Arjun and going for T90 which by the way is a highly rated tank even by the western analyst.

Interesting, Please enlighten us more about these idiots who have never touched the Insas. I know the idiot you are referring to and rest assured he has shot every thing from Ak47, to Scar, FnFAL, G3's, Ar15 and Barret M107's. Muzzle velocities and terminal ballistics are bread and butter for most shooting enthusiasts, not copy paste from wiki btw

 

[Assange]

I am waiting for the day when INSAS gets out of Indian army inventory.....

I am waiting for the day when INSAS gets out of Indian army inventory.....

And any news about FINSAS???

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Interesting, Please enlighten us more about these idiots who have never touched the Insas. I know the idiot you are referring to and rest assured he has shot every thing from Ak47, to Scar, FnFAL, G3's, Ar15 and Barret M107's. Muzzle velocities and terminal ballistics are bread and butter for most shooting enthusiasts, not copy paste from wiki btw

I was reffering to the Physics guy not you.You were open to know more about the problems in the rifle..others were not.

You seems to be 1971 war veteran or Kargil PVC winner. You can go to D.F.I and check analysis by those who actually used INSAS 1B1 like Kunal Biswas not some tom dick harry like you or @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR who can't tell the difference between a carbine and an assault rifle.
PS-Not a personal attack.

Here is a pic of TOM,DICK AND HARRY with an INSAS

Something for which you can $uck up to your "Kunal Sir" and everyone else who have never been in touch with "special operation operators" and neither will you get to fire an INSAS in the rest of your life..

But i will tell you what you can do..you can read about the weapons and form an opinion and question those who have actually fired it.

I can post a 100 pics of special operation on this site but i dont and my entire family is serving in Indian Army except me so i very well know the difference between a AR and a carbine.

When a soldier tells me that there is a problem in INSAS i believe him and not people like you or your respected "Kunal Sir"..if you dont agree you can take it positively also coz i bet you are not earning your bread and butter selling INSAS.

 

[Indian Patriot]

Who exactly is this "Kunal Sir" and why is everybody calling him "sir"?

You seems to be 1971 war veteran or Kargil PVC winner. You can go to D.F.I and check analysis by those who actually used INSAS 1B1 like Kunal Biswas not some tom dick harry like you or @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR who can't tell the difference between a carbine and an assault rifle.
PS-Not a personal attack.

You seem to be a child here who thinks from his knees rather than use a brain. I am not a soldier and neither are you, so why don't you shut up, learn some manners and debate in a decent manner?

I don't know what *** is or who your "Kunal Sir" is and I don't care. If you are so fond of Kunal sir you should have never left his side and come here. So why don't you do us all here a favor and back to your *** and "Kunal Sir".

Nobody here is talking about carbines except you. So you go back to whoever tom dick and harry you worship as your God and stop trolling here. You are a mere street-boy not worth wasting time on. Don't ever waste my time again. Now buzz off.