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France was as well prepared for this as Britain. The only difference is luck

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Police patrol near the Eiffel Tower the day after the series of attacks in Paris, France Photo: Reuters



Make no mistake: France was not and is not unprepared for the kind of attacks it saw on Friday night. It has a highly effective intelligence service and anti-terror forces.


I served with the French counter-terrorist Police RAID – Reaction, Action, Intervention and Dissuasion – when I was an SAS troop commander. I have served alongside the French paramilitary special forces, Groupe d’Intervention de la Gendarmerie Nationale (GIGN), in many parts of the world. They are among the most effective anti-terror forces in Europe, if not the world.

Right now, the major difference between our two countries is luck.

Notwithstanding their security arrangements, France will be stunned after such an attack. The authorities will be looking almost immediately at what can be done to stop the next one.

First, there will be a flurry of raids – suspects rounded up on an industrial scale, as France comes to terms, finally, with the extent of the radicalisation of Muslims living in France and the sheer number of Muslims from France’s immigrant communities who went to fight for Islamic State and have now returned.

Disturbingly, on the ground in Syria French nationals represent the largest European contingent, closely followed by the Belgians and then Germans and Danes.

Of course, although I talk about French, Germans and Danes, there are only a handful of ethnic Europeans among them. The vast majority of these fighters are of North African origin, most from Tunisia.

And this is where the risk escalates: these individuals have enormous and unfathomable support networks in Europe and are able to slip in and out of the continent fairly easily.

This is one significant difference for the UK. The British nationals fighting for Isil are firmly rooted in the Pakistani and (to a lesser extent) Bangladeshi communities in this country. Due to the nature of our borders and the co-operation of our ethnic minority communities, who oppose the radicals, subversives are much more easily tracked.

But that is not to say that individuals from these communities have not travelled out to fight for Isil and returned. They have, they’re here now – and they want to attack.

The very first thing that the UK’s Cabinet Office Briefing Room crisis committee (Cobra) will have considered: is there an up-to-date and advanced plan for responding to a similar event here?

Exercises carried out in London in June would suggest so. And that is a good thing, because there is a burning desire to attack within the subversive elements based among the various British Muslim communities. The next two questions for Cobra would be: is there an immediate organised threat, and secondly what opportunities are available for a high-profile “lone wolf” improvised attack, which is much harder to detect and foil?

Where the subversive elements in Europe have an advantage over militant Muslims here is the availability of weapons – especially in France. Organised criminal gangs in most of the Western European nations are dominated by groups with Balkan origins. They have access to vast stockpiles of weapons from the wars in the Former Yugoslavia and well-established trafficking networks.

Here in the UK, where the Albanian gangs dominate, access to automatic weapons is more difficult and more costly. But not impossible.

Cobra will be considering the “onion skins” of our protection, that is to say defence at potential targets; defence nationally; collective international defence; defeating the threat of Isil specifically on the ground in Syria; and finally co-ordinating intelligence with allies to prevent attacks.

In particular, the UK will be looking to share intelligence with the French and Nato allies, but our surest means will be exchanging intelligence with the Saudis, Jordanians and UAE, who are our most certain intelligence allies.The Saudis are crucial to the UK, with estimates from some quarters assessing that 80 per cent of attacks aimed at the UK specifically in the last five years have been thwarted thanks to the Saudi General Intelligence Presidency (GIP).

So for now, it is a matter of wait and see. We must trust our luck. Crucially, we must be supportive of the French when they take measures within their immigrant communities to protect their citizens from the subversive idealism which would cause so much violence.

Col Tim Collins OBE is a former SAS officer who commanded the 1st Battalion, Royal Irish Regiment during the invasion of Iraq. He is a specialist in the field of counterinsurgency and security

RECENT TERROR ATTACKS IN FRANCE

A series of shootings and explosions across Paris have left scores dead, but it's not the first time France has been rocked by a terror attack.

March 2012:

A French Algerian killed three soldiers, a teacher and three young students at a Jewish school in Toulouse. He was later shot dead.
23 May 2013:

A convert to Islam named as Alexandre Dhaussy stabbed a French soldier in the neck at La Defense in Paris. The soldier survived the attack.
December 2014:

A French national born in Burrundi attacked several police officers at a station in Joue-les-Tour. He had a knife and shouted "Allahu Akbar". He was shot dead.
7 January 2015:

Said and Cherif Kouachi shoot dead 12 people at the offices of satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo in Paris.
8 January 2015:

Amedy Coulibaly kills a policewoman before entering a Jewish supermarket in Paris where he shot dead four others. Both Coulibaly and the Kouachi brothers were later shot dead by police.
26 June 2015:

In a chemical factory near Grenoble, one man was beheaded and several others were injured. One man was arrested in what President Francois Hollande called a terror attack.
13 November 2015:

Scores dead as men armed with Kalashnikovs and grenades carried out a series of attacks at restaurants, a concert hall and outside Stade de France in Paris. President Hollande has closed the borders and declared a state of national emergency.

Paris terror attacks: French anti-terror forces are among the best in the world - Telegraph
 
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there must be some sort of internal involvement.. its hard to believe that French forces and intelligence were completely blind from this scale attack ..
but anyways , God speed GiGn , find their supporters and send them to where they belong ...

Pakistan Stand with France .. As France Stands with Pakistan ..
 
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This is not usual fight against terrorists.
Their purpose is to be done maximum damage on targets with maximum casualties and because they are brainwashed , combination of drugs makes them perfect killing machines.
I live in Europe but all countries have problem with fundamentalism and terrorism.
Personally i'm sceptical that this problem would be solved shortly.
 
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It wasn't GIGN, RAID, or BRI, that failed to do their jobs, but rather French that intelligence failed to provide them the means to do so effectively.
 
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Maybe they had been informed,we don't know nothin but always someone supposed to be a victim for turning the public opinion in to another direction.
 
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there must be some sort of internal involvement.. its hard to believe that French forces and intelligence were completely blind from this scale attack ..
but anyways , God speed GiGn , find their supporters and send them to where they belong ...

Pakistan Stand with France .. As France Stands with Pakistan ..

Fun to see one from Pakistan sayign this :) Just a a few days back read a news that Pakistan Govt has taken a very serious action on hafiz saeed by stopping him giving interviews ! Guys come on ...
 
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Fun to see one from Pakistan sayign this :) Just a a few days back read a news that Pakistan Govt has taken a very serious action on hafiz saeed by stopping him giving interviews ! Guys come on ...

would you do us favor ?? STFU
 
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A series of shootings and explosions across Paris have left scores dead, but it's not the first time France has been rocked by a terror attack.

March 2012:

A French Algerian killed three soldiers, a teacher and three young students at a Jewish school in Toulouse. He was later shot dead.
Five years ago Jews I know who regularly traveled to France said they decided to stop going. The police, they said, stopped reporting many anti-Jewish incidents. Some sort of quota system, they said. Without action to stop them, the militants were only emboldened further.

What good is police protection when terrorizing non-Muslims becomes accepted by the larger society? Your civil rights are gone; you exist only by the will of others.

there must be some sort of internal involvement.. its hard to believe that French forces and intelligence were completely blind from this scale attack ..

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France's Politically Correct War on Islamic Terror
by Soeren Kern
November 16, 2015 at 6:00 am


France's Politically Correct War on Islamic Terror

  • French leaders consistently act in ways that undermine their stated goal of eradicating Islamic terror.
  • Critics of the policy say "Daesh" is a politically correct linguistic device that allows Western leaders to claim that the Islamic State is not Islamic -- and thus ignore the root cause of Islamic terror and militant jihad.
  • French leaders have also been consistently antagonistic toward Israel, a country facing Islamic terror on a daily basis. France is leading international diplomatic efforts to push for a UN resolution that would lead to the establishment of an independent Palestinian state within a period of two years. The move effectively whitewashes Palestinian terror.
  • French critics of Islam are routinely harassed with strategic lawsuits that seek to censor, intimidate and silence them. In a recent case, Sébastien Jallamion, a 43-year-old policeman from Lyon was suspended from his job and fined 5,000 euros after he condemned the death of Frenchman Hervé Gourdel, who was beheaded by jihadists in Algeria.
  • "Those who denounce the illegal behavior of fundamentalists are more likely to be sued than the fundamentalists who behave illegally." — Marine Le Pen, leader of France's Front National.
French President François Hollande has vowed to avenge the November 13 jihadist attacks in Paris that left more than 120 dead and 350 injured.

Speaking from the Élysée Palace, Hollande blamed the Islamic State for the attacks, which he called an "act of war." He said the response from France would be "unforgiving" and "merciless."

Despite the tough rhetoric, however, the question remains: Does Hollande understand the true nature of the war he faces?

Hollande pointedly referred to the Islamic State as "Daesh," the acronym of the group's full Arabic name, which in English translates as "Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant," or "ISIL."

The official policy of the French government is to avoid using the term "Islamic State" because, according to French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius, it "blurs the lines between Islam, Muslims and Islamists."

Critics of the policy say "Daesh" is a politically correct linguistic device that allows Western leaders to claim that the Islamic State is not Islamic -- and thus ignore the root cause of Islamic terror and militant jihad.

Islamic ideology divides the world into two spheres: the House of Islam and the House of War. The House of War (the non-Muslim world) is subject to permanent jihad until it is made part of the House of Islam, where Sharia is the law of the land.

Jihad -- the perpetual struggle to expand Muslim domination throughout the world with the ultimate aim of bringing all of humanity under submission to the will of Allah -- is the primary objective of true Islam, as unambiguously outlined in its foundational documents.

Consequently, even if the Islamic State were to be bombed into oblivion, France and the rest of the non-Muslim world will continue to be the target of Islamic supremacists. The West cannot defeat Islamic terrorism by attempting to conceptually delink it from true Islam. But still they try.

After the January 2015 jihadist attacks on the Paris offices of the magazine Charlie Hebdo that left 12 people dead, President Hollande declared:

"We must reject facile thinking and eschew exaggeration. Those who committed these terrorist acts, those terrorists, those fanatics, have nothing to do with the Muslim religion."​

French Prime Minister Manuel Valls said: "We are in a war against terrorism. We are not in a war against religion, against a civilization." Again, he said: "We are at war with terrorism, jihadism and radicalism. France is not at war against Islam and Muslims."

At a June conference with more than 100 leaders of the French Muslim community, Valls denied there is any link between extremism and Islam. He also refused to raise the issue of radicalization because the topic was "too sensitive." Instead, he said:

"Islam still provokes misunderstandings, prejudices and is rejected by some citizens. Yet Islam is here to stay in France. It is the second largest religious group in our country.

"We must say all of this is not Islam: The hate speech, anti-Semitism that hides behind anti-Zionism and hate for Israel, the self-proclaimed imams in our neighborhoods and our prisons who are promoting violence and terrorism."​



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After the January 2015 jihadist attacks in Paris, France's President François Hollande declared: "We must reject facile thinking and eschew exaggeration. Those who committed these terrorist acts, those terrorists, those fanatics, have nothing to do with the Muslim religion."



France is home to around 6.5 million Muslims, or roughly 10% of the country's total population of 66 million. Although most Muslims in France live peacefully, many are drawn to radical Islam. A CSA poll found that 22% of Muslims in the country consider themselves Muslim first and French second. Nearly one out of five (17%) Muslims in France believe that Sharia law should be fully applied in France, while 37% believe that parts of Sharia should be applied in the country.

France is also one of the largest European sources of so-called foreign fighters in Syria: More than 1,500 French Muslims have joined the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, and many more are believed to be supporters of the group in France.

Since the Charlie Hebdo attacks, the French government has introduced a raft of new counter-terrorism measures -- including sweeping surveillance powers to eavesdrop on the public -- aimed at preventing further jihadist attacks.

French counter-terrorism operatives have foiled a number of jihadist plots, including a plan toattack a major navy base in Toulon, and an attempt to murder a Socialist MP in Paris.

As the latest attacks in Paris (as well as the failed attack on a high-speed train from Amsterdam to Paris in August) show, surveillance is not foolproof. Claude Moniquet, a former French intelligence operative, warns that European intelligence agencies are overwhelmed by the sheer number of people who may pose a threat. He writes:

"Some 6,000 Europeans are or were involved in the fighting in Syria (they went there, they were killed in action, they are still in IS camps, they are on their way there or their way back.)

"If you have 6,000 'active' jihadists, this probably means that if you try to count those who were not identified, the logistics people who help them join up, their sympathizers and the most radical extremists who are not yet involved in violence but are on the verge of it, you have something between 10,000 and 20,000 'dangerous' people in Europe.

"To carry out 'normal' surveillance on a suspect on a permanent basis, you need 20 to 30 agents and a dozen vehicles. And these are just the requirements for a 'quiet' target.

"If the suspect travels abroad, for instance, the figure could go up to 50 or 80 agents and necessitate co-operation between the services of various countries. Work it out: to keep watch on all the potential suspects, you'd need between 120,000 and 500,000 agents throughout Europe. Mission impossible!"​

Meanwhile, French leaders consistently act in ways that undermine their stated goal of eradicating Islamic terror.

The French government has been one of the leading European proponents of the nuclear deal with Iran, the world's biggest state sponsor of terrorism. Although Iran and its proxy, Hezbollah, are responsible for deaths of scores of French citizens, Fabius wasted no time in rushing to Tehran in search of business opportunities for French companies. In July, Fabius proclaimed:

"We are two great independent countries, two great civilizations. It is true that in recent years, for reasons that everyone knows, links have loosened, but now thanks to the nuclear deal, things are going to change."​

Fabius also extended an invitation for Iran's President, Hassan Rouhani, to visit France in November. This trip -- which has been mired in controversy, not over terrorism or nuclear proliferation, but over Iran's demand that no wine be served during a formal dinner at the Élysée Palace -- was postponed indefinitely after the Paris attacks. Hollande's advisors apparently concluded that this is not the right moment for a photo-op with Rouhani, a career terrorist.

French leaders have also been consistently antagonistic toward Israel, a country facing Islamic terror on a daily basis.

After Israel launched a military offensive aimed at stopping Islamic terror groups in the Gaza Strip from launching missiles into the Jewish state, France led international calls for Israel to halt the operation. French Defense Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian said:

"France calls for an immediate ceasefire... to ensure that every side starts talking to each other to avoid an escalation that would be tragic for this part of the world."​

More recently, France has been a leading European advocate of a European Union policy that now requires Israel to label products "originating in Israeli settlements beyond Israel's 1967 borders." The move is widely seen as part of an international campaign to delegitimize the State of Israel. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu slammed the move:

"The labelling of products of the Jewish state by the European Union brings back dark memories. Europe should be ashamed of itself. It took an immoral decision... this will not advance peace, it will certainly not advance truth and justice. It is wrong."​

France is also leading international diplomatic efforts to push for a United Nations resolution that would lead to the establishment of an independent Palestinian state within a period of two years. The move effectively whitewashes Palestinian terror. Netanyahu responded:

"The only way to reach an agreement is through bilateral negotiations, and we will forcibly reject any attempts to force upon us international dictates.

"In the international proposals that have been suggested to us -- which they are actually trying to force upon us -- there is no real reference to Israel's security needs or our other national interests.

"They are simply trying to push us into indefensible borders while completely ignoring what will happen on the other side of the border."​

Meanwhile, after more than a year as a member of the US-led coalition against the Islamic State, French officials waited until late September to begin striking targets in Syria. But they refused to destroy the headquarters of the Islamic State in Raqqa -- where the Paris attacks were reportedly planned.

Back in France, critics of Islam are routinely harassed with strategic lawsuits that seek to censor, intimidate and silence them.

In a recent case, Sébastien Jallamion, a 43-year-old policeman from Lyon, was suspendedfrom his job and fined 5,000 euros after he condemned the death of Frenchman Hervé Gourdel, who was beheaded by jihadists in Algeria in September 2014. Jallamion explained:

"According to the administrative decree that was sent to me today, I am accused of having created an anonymous Facebook page in September 2014, showing several 'provocative' images and commentaries, 'discriminatory and injurious,' of a 'xenophobic or anti-Muslim' nature. As an example, there was that portrait of the Calif al-Baghdadi, head of the Islamic State, with a visor on his forehead. This publication was exhibited during my appearance before the discipline committee with the following accusation: 'Are you not ashamed of stigmatizing an imam in this way?' My lawyer can confirm this... It looks like a political punishment. I cannot see any other explanation.

"Our fundamental values, those for which many of our ancestors gave their life are deteriorating, and that it is time for us to become indignant over what our country is turning into. This is not France, land of Enlightenment that in its day shone over all of Europe and beyond. We must fight to preserve our values, it's a matter of survival."​

Meanwhile, Marine Le Pen, the leader of France's Front National (FN) and one of the most popular politicians in the country, went on trial in October 2015 for comparing Muslim street prayers to the wartime occupation of France. At a campaign rally in Lyon in 2010, she said:

"I'm sorry, but for those who really like to talk about World War II, if we're talking about an occupation, we could talk about the [street prayers], because that is clearly an occupation of territory.

"It is an occupation of sections of the territory, of neighborhoods in which religious law applies -- it is an occupation. There are no tanks, there are no soldiers, but it is an occupation nevertheless, and it weighs on people."​

Le Pen said she was a victim of "judicial persecution" and added:

"It is a scandal that a political leader can be sued for expressing her beliefs. Those who denounce the illegal behavior of fundamentalists are more likely to be sued than the fundamentalists who behave illegally."​

Responding to the jihadist attacks in Paris, Le Pen said:

"France and the French are no longer safe. It is my duty to tell you. Urgent action is needed.

"France must finally identify her allies and her enemies. Her enemies are those countries that have friendly relationships with radical Islam, and also those countries that have an ambiguous attitude toward terrorist enterprises.

"Regardless of what the European Union says, it is essential that France regain permanent control over its borders.

"France has been rendered vulnerable; it must rearm, because for too long it has undergone a programmed collapse of its defensive capabilities in the face of predictable and growing threats. It must restore its military resources, police, gendarmerie, intelligence and customs. The State must be able to ensure again its vital mission of protecting the French.

"Finally, Islamist fundamentalism must be annihilated. France must ban Islamist organizations, close radical mosques and expel foreigners who preach hatred in our country as well as illegal migrants who have nothing to do here. As for dual nationals who are participating in these Islamist movements, they must be stripped of their French nationality and deported."​

In the aftermath of the attacks, Le Pen, who has long been critical of President Hollande's politically correct counter-terrorism policies, is certain to rise in public opinion polls. This will increase the political pressure on the government to take decisive action against the jihadists.

Faced with similar pressure after the Charlie Hebdo attacks in January, Hollande seemed reluctant to push too far, apparently fearful of the consequences of confronting the Muslim community in France. It remains to be seen whether the latest attacks in Paris, which some are describing as France's September 11, mark a turning point.

Soeren Kern is a Senior Fellow at the New York-based Gatestone Institute. He is also Senior Fellow for European Politics at the Madrid-based Grupo de Estudios Estratégicos / Strategic Studies Group. Follow him on Facebook and on Twitter. His first book, Global Fire, will be out in early 2016.
 
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Five years ago Jews I know who regularly traveled to France said they decided to stop going. The police, they said, stopped reporting many anti-Jewish incidents. Some sort of quota system, they said. Without action to stop them, the militants were only emboldened further.

What good is police protection when terrorizing non-Muslims becomes accepted by the larger society? Your civil rights are gone; you exist only by the will of others.

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The most funny thing is that there are many French Jewish going to Israel, kill many Palestinian and came back in France without fear to be questioned about their acts.. And nobody could ask to those French people about their crimes...
 
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It depends on the enemy being tackled and location. In subcontinent pakistan & indian forces would score better as they constantly engage these scums every now and then. In europe russians with their vast exp in chechnya will be better.

Not to belittle french or german forces but the incidents(other than paris seige) of terror attacks on own soil compared to subcontinent especially pakistan pales in comparison. An average policeman in pakistan or kashmir would have seen and tackled more such incidents.
 
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Because the Jew who kills an Arab in Israel almost always is engaged in self-defense from a terror attack, of course.

The only "funny thing" is how language can be abused to portray two different situations as similar. It's a form of deceit so why should anybody trust anything you say or write, Vortex?


It's a form of deceit so why should anybody trust anything you or israeli say or write ?
It is also a deceit form. Isn't it ?

When you close all boarders of any state, what do you expect from people inside this jail ? They launch flowers on you ?

When you destroy anything which can help Palestinian to build a state, when you infiltrate them in order to torment extremism inside them, what do you call self defense from terror attacks ?
I my view terrorists are on both side... But you played more cleverly to enhance "terrorism" from Palestinian side.

So you are the only who see abuse of language.
 
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BTW whats the model of those rifles?

m1 carbine if i'm not wrong. o_O
Everything is old,be it the body armor or rifles. The government announced that it will give more funds to the Police,which means new modern body armors and modern rifles will be bought. (If we well understood what they said.)
@Taygibay can you confirm my friend ?

Attentats à Paris : la police va avoir des moyens «comme jamais», selon Valls


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If you want to compare with British cops ;

I'm jealous lads!! :taz: @mike2000 is back @Steve781 @Blue Marlin

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m1 carbine if i'm not wrong. o_O
Everything is old,be it the body armor or rifles. The government announced that it will give more funds to the Police,which means new modern body armors and modern rifles will be bought. (If we well understood what they said.)
@Taygibay can you confirm my friend ?

Attentats à Paris : la police va avoir des moyens «comme jamais», selon Valls


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If you want to compare with British cops ;

I'm jealous lads!! :taz: @mike2000 is back @Steve781 @Blue Marlin

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these picture are quiet old, let me guess dailymail ? im right because i remember seeing this image a while ago.
besides below are the dedicated anti terror pollice.
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