Panun Kashmir: Kashmiri Pandits' demand for an exclusive homeland

[jamahir]

the Han solution is how China keeps Tibet, flood the local population with your own people and give them preferential treatment.

@TaiShang @Chinese Bamboo , he is saying that the chinese government discriminates against the tibetans... what will you say to him??

Israeli west bank tactics, settlements, segregated road access, big military presence to guard our people.

even many israelis oppose the settlements... why are you being more israeli than the israelis themselves??

and do you know of rachel corrie[1] :

16 March 2003

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) — An American woman in Gaza to protest Israeli operations was killed Sunday when she was run over by an Israeli bulldozer, witnesses and hospital officials said.

Rachel Corrie, 23, a college student from Olympia, Wash., had been trying to stop the bulldozer from tearing down a building in the Rafah refugee camp, witnesses said. She was taken to Najar hospital in Rafah, where she died, said Ali Moussa, a hospital administrator.

Israeli military spokesman Capt. Jacob Dallal said her death was an accident. The U.S. State Department had no immediate comment.

“Rachel was alone in front of the house as we were trying to get them to stop,” Schnabel said. “She waved for the bulldozer to stop and waved. She fell down and the bulldozer kept going. We yelled, ‘Stop, stop,’ and the bulldozer didn’t stop at all. It had completely run over her and then it reversed and ran back over her.”

Groups of international protesters have gathered in several locations in the West Bank and Gaza during two years of Palestinian violence, setting themselves up as “human shields” to try to stop Israeli operations.

Corrie was the first member of the groups, called “International Solidarity Movement” and backed by Palestinian groups, to be killed in the conflict. Several activists have been arrested in clashes with Israeli forces, and some have been deported by Israeli authorities.

Mansour Abed Allah, 29, a Palestinian human rights worker in Rafah, witnessed the incident. He said the killing should be a message to President Bush, who is “providing Israel with tanks and bulldozers, and now they killed one of his own people.”

it is good that you referenced israeli in this thread because the solutions to kashmir and israel have already been provided by muammar gaddafi... the solutions are the simplest and most practical... i don't see when i have already spoken about them ( and created a thread about the kashmir one ) why there needs to be pressing nails into the wounds and creating more blood... those who don't want solutions are simply being against peace and progress.


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[1] https://electronicintifada.net/content/us-activist-rachel-corrie-23-killed-idf-bulldozer-gaza/4447

 

[Jamwal's]

This is inevitable.Govt already made colonies for them hope more kashmiri Pandits and hindus will come and settle in their motherland.


Although Hindus have a separate Jammu region where they live peacefully with Sikhs and Muslim minorities.

They are former ruling elite and still occupy high post in public and Pvt sector.

Hindus/Sikhs and Buddhists should have an autonomous region like northeast.

 

[DesiGuy1403]

what??

Cat got your tongue?

Oh we have not not forgotten the massacre of Dalits, Socialists and Shias at the hands of terrorists buddy.
In India, most dalit atrocities are committed by the sickulars.

 

[jamahir]

Cat got your tongue?

now that is a illogical saying that i won't legitimize.

why should a cat get my tongue??

the creator of that saying must have be a dog lover.

Oh we have not not forgotten the massacre of Dalits, Socialists and Shias at the hands of terrorists buddy.

in kashmir??

okay the socialists in kashmir have been targeted by reactionary militants but this of course has been of great benefit to the indian establishment.

but what is the relevance of dalits to kashmir??

In India, most dalit atrocities are committed by the sickulars.

is that why the late rohit vemula's mother and brother adopted buddhism day-before-yesterday??

 

[T-72M1]

@TaiShang @Chinese Bamboo , he is saying that the chinese government discriminates against the tibetans... what will you say to him??

yeah right, lets ask the Chinese about it

even many israelis oppose the settlements... why are you being more israeli than the israelis themselves??

just pointing out real word solutions that have worked for people who are threatened by genocidal sunnis like Hamas.

screw you, commie, what we need in India is a right wing dictatorship to fix the Kashmir problem.

 

[DesiGuy1403]

is that why the late rohit vemula's mother and brother adopted buddhism day-before-yesterday??

Still sticking to the Venula being a Dalit story eh?

Vemula is as Dalit as you are a Hindu buddy

In fact you should read the statement issued by sc/st TG group on Vemulas....

 

[jamahir]

yeah right, lets ask the Chinese about it

don't you want to listen to their side of the story??

why is the nato point of view right??

just pointing out real word solutions

which real world?? the one that allows bulldozers to crush protestors and forget about it??

such "real world" must be rejected.

that have worked for people who are threatened by genocidal sunnis like Hamas.

should we start counting the genocides that western militaries and governments have done since long??

how about after 1945 - the korea war in which four million north koreans were genocided and the nato side being helped by the indian military??

and if you mention hamas i will mention the plo movement whose many groups have had sunni palestinians majorly and they were helped by europeans and south americans and japanese in earlier decades.

since you mention sunnis i will mention their genocide in iraq, libya and syria and the genocides were done by nato.

screw you, commie, what we need in India is a right wing dictatorship to fix the Kashmir problem.

really?? so what is that solution?? expulsion or genocide of all kashmiri muslims??

Still sticking to the Venula being a Dalit story eh?

Vemula is as Dalit as you are a Hindu buddy

In fact you should read the statement issued by sc/st TG group on Vemulas....

whichever technical nomenclature the nationalists want to use to deny his suffering ( and it can be proved that he is a dalit ), it is fact that rohith was a dalit activist and via being a participant in the 'ambedkar students association' he fought against the brahminical abvp who oppressed dalits in the campus and he suicided because of being discriminated and oppressed by the university management.

his mother and brother carry forward his fight and they adopted buddhism and rejected the brahminical path... within brahminism they were of "low caste".

 

[T-72M1]

don't you want to listen to their side of the story??

why is the nato point of view right??

I already know both sides of the story.

and what has NATO got to do with Tibet ?

should we start counting the genocides that western militaries and governments have done since long??

how about after 1945 - the korea war in which four million north koreans were genocided and the nato side being helped by the indian military??

and if you mention hamas i will mention the plo movement whose many groups have had sunni palestinians majorly and they were helped by europeans and south americans in earlier decades.

since you mention sunnis i will mention their genocide in iraq, libya and syria and the genocides were done by nato.

I don't care about "west", NATO, or the Korean war, our problem in Kashmir is to do with sunni extremism.

really?? so what is that solution?? expulsion or genocide of all kashmiri muslims??

neither, the solution is the Han solution, and a wee bit of west bank like segregation and settlement building.

 

[DesiGuy1403]

whichever technical nomenclature the nationalists want to use to deny his suffering ( and it can be proved that he is a dalit ), it is fact that rohith was a dalit activist and via being a participant in the 'ambedkar students association' he fought against the brahminical abvp who oppressed dalits in the campus and he suicided because of being discriminated and oppressed by the university management.

his mother and brother carry forward his fight and they adopted buddhism and rejected the brahminical path... within brahminism they were of "low caste".

Nonsense.
He and his friends attacked an OBC students in his room.

I guess sickulars attacking an OBC students is not a big deal now.
Just saying they support Dalit cause does not take away the fact that Rohith and his friends attacked a lower caste Hindu who stood up to them.

Everything else is political games being played to cash Vemula's death.

 

[Levina]

Repealing 370 can only be a amicable solution especially in valley now ......
@Levina
@SarthakGanguly

The problem is no government would dare to take such an action. You must have seen how Omar Abdullah's reacted after Modi campaigned against article 370- he had threatened that they would separate kashmir from mainland if article 370 is repealed or amended.
I really wanted to know what the kashmiri pandits in the valley think about panun kashmir. @SarthakGanguly if u r around...

 

[livingdead]

pandits will be part of final settlement, am sure.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

The problem is no government would dare to take such an action. You must have seen how Omar Abdullah's reacted after Modi campaigned against article 370- he had threatened that they would separate kashmir from mainland if article 370 is repealed or amended.
I really wanted to know what the kashmiri pandits in the valley think about panun kashmir. @SarthakGanguly if u r around...

It is a stupid organization of older men and their families. They expect the Government to give them them an Union Territory on a platter where they can live. They will then go and live their peaceful lives. Many of them hate Islam (and Muslims) with legitimate reason but in the end they abhor violence to protect themselves.

Fact is unless you shed blood to protect your life and show you are serious, nobody is going to take you seriously. They do their protests in Delhi every year around Jan 19. That's all they do. They are unwilling, incapable and too cowardly to actually face the problems head on and wish others to do it for them.

Repealing 370 can only be a amicable solution especially in valley now ......
@Levina
@SarthakGanguly

The Kashmir issue is religious. Only religion or de-religionizing can help.
Article 370 is a symptom of the problem. It has no place in a federal structure anyway.

 

[Levina]

It is a stupid organization of older men and their families. They expect the Government to give them them an Union Territory on a platter where they can live. They will then go and live their peaceful lives. Many of them hate Islam (and Muslims) with legitimate reason but in the end they abhor violence to protect themselves

Thanks!
I am glad to know that atleast someone has been persistent about the Kashmir issue, our government forgot about KPs a decade ago.

Fact is unless you shed blood to protect your life and show you are serious, nobody is going to take you seriously. They do their protests in Delhi every year around Jan 19. That's all they do. They are unwilling, incapable and too cowardly to actually face the problems head on and wish others to do it for them.

Are you willing to go there and fight for Kashmir? Will you challenge the lion in his den?
Come on Sarthak!
Calling them coward is wrong, they are ppl like us with no means to take on the behemoths in government. How do you expect them to fight against the system?
I wish the Indian government stopped behaving like a milksop, and took the Kashmir govt head on.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Thanks!
I am glad to know that atleast someone has been persistent about the Kashmir issue, our government forgot about KPs a decade ago.


Are you willing to go there and fight for Kashmir? Will you challenge the lion in his den?
Come on Sarthak!
Calling them coward is wrong, they are ppl like us with no means to take on the behemoths in government. How do you expect them to fight against the system?
I wish the Indian government stopped behaving like a milksop, and took the Kashmir govt head on.

A token fight is all that's needed. The media runs on victimhood. There are ways it can be done. how about an assassination of bitta karate? It would be totally legitimate. He pardoned by the central government. Time to make amends. I proposed something similar, got kicked out instead.

 

[Armstrong]

What the heck; I thought we all agreed on a Republic of Buttistan !