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[Zibago]

that is the problem you not understand human language?
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burden is proof is on ns family for proving trail of Money, and if they proved that, then burden of proof sifted to PTI , for proving what NS presented is false .

They cant eben agree on a single date

 

[Danish saleem]

They cant eben agree on a single date

let c brother,

 

[Zibago]

let c brother,

The fraud that is being done against the people(dont give me hacky argument that they got elected even trolls like Trump get elected that doesnot make them right)
If the courts dont punish them for this then they should just packup and leave and resign because for case of similar nature Gillani had to go
From what i see now case has turned against Nawaz but i am hearing that they afe delaying till retirement so that they can appoint apna banda like Bajwa

 

[Emmie]

I have some hope from Justice Asif Saeed khosa only... Out of all judges, he raises most relevant questions.. In todays hearing too, he was the one who raised all important questions today... Agar kuch ummed hai, tu in hi se hai... But he is just 1 out of 5 ..



Even i was surprised tht sharifs requested for day to day hearing... I thought they would like to delay the proceedings... But if they dont bring anything tomorrow...they will surely ask for some more days, and SC will most likely give them another chance.. But i hope, they dont give them more than 1-2 days... If Sharifs are not able to show money trail, as it seems right now..then i am thinking what will be Sc verdict? Will SC disqualify Nawaz Sharif? I have doubt abt tht... Because Sc has already said tht they cant hear this case on 62,63 basis tht is sadiq ameen.. Uptil now, the only thing which has been proved against sharifs is tht PM is lying..but SC says tht they cant hear the case on tht basis... Has PTI been able to prove / convince judges tht Sharifs had ownership of these flats before 2006? I dont think so.... I think it can be 50/50 decision...something like election rigging case...since Sc doesnt want to hear it on 62,63 basis... Tht provided solid basis for Ns disqualification, but judges dont want to go tht route

Petitions were filed under article 184(3), this article entertains matter related to public importance or matter where fundamental rights are infringed. Article 62 and 63 cover qualification and disqualification, article 63(2) explains mechanism for disqualification. If we are to plead for disqualification exclusively we can't plead under article 184(3), this is what which was observed by CJ today in SR case. SR has to convince SC to look into the fact that he followed the mechanism described in article 63(2) but his reference was rejected by a biased speaker. IK petition however is complex, it prays for many things. 62, 63 are not that important for now, what important is the conviction, if NS is convicted of any accusation leveled against him article 63 will be invoked all by itself, same way it was invoked in Gillani case. Once convicted disqualification SC mein hoya ECP mein kya farq perta hay? Don't forget we have a precedent, Gillani's disqualification.

 

[Farah Sohail]

Petitions were filed under article 184(3), this article entertains matter related to public importance or matter where fundamental rights are infringed. Article 62 and 63 cover qualification and disqualification, article 63(2) explains mechanism for disqualification. If we are to plead for disqualification exclusively we can't plead under article 184(3), this is what which was observed by CJ today in SR case. SR has to convince SC to look into the fact that he followed the mechanism described in article 63(2) but his reference was rejected by a biased speaker. IK petition however is complex, it prays for many things. 62, 63 are not that important for now, what important is the conviction, if NS is convicted of any accusations leveled against him article 63 will be invoked all by itself, same way it was invoked in Gillani case. Once convicted disqualification SC mein hoya ECP mein kya farq perta hay? Don't forget we have a precedent, Gillani's disqualification.

Gilanis disqualification was done through supreme court, not by ECP... Even speaker of tht time, Fehmida mirza didnt forward the case.. It was supreme court bench headed by Iftikhar Ch, which disqualified Gilani..

And Sheikh Rashid did tell court today tht we went for TOR, we went for ECP, and everywhere and noone listened.. I think he mentioned this... Also, i am unable to understand..how does PM not being sadiq ameen, not fall in public intererest category? Isnt it public interest, tht PM or MNAs tht is elected representatives should be SadiqAmeen? This is foremost public interest... sheikh rashid's entire petitin revolves around 62,63.. It will nullify his entire case if these articles cant be invoked.. Also he took this case, because he said earlier around 12 MNAs have been disqualified for hiding assets and not being sadiq ameen..so either disqualify PM or should reinstate those MNAs

 

[Danish saleem]

The fraud that is being done against the people(dont give me hacky argument that they got elected even trolls like Trump get elected that doesnot make them right)
If the courts dont punish them for this then they should just packup and leave and resign because for case of similar nature Gillani had to go
From what i see now case has turned against Nawaz but i am hearing that they afe delaying till retirement so that they can appoint apna banda like Bajwa

a case of similar nature, r u in your senses do u know what was the case against gilani??

he disobeyed the orders of Supreme court, for which he have to face consequences.

for me the IK and NS , both facing same case, for non declaration of their assets , Yes NS is PM so morally his case is more important.
but unfortunately IK what saying outside court not saying inside court room, not a one single allegation of corruption, just discussing what NS presented and saying.

Gilanis disqualification was done through supreme court, not by ECP... Even speaker of tht time, Fehmida mirza didnt forward the case.. It was supreme court bench headed by Iftikhar Ch, which disqualified Gilani..

And Sheikh Rashid did tell court today tht we went for TOR, we went for ECP, and everywhere and noone listened.. I think he mentioned this... Also, i am unable to understand..how does PM not being sadiq ameen, not fall in public intererest category? Isnt it public interest, tht PM or MNAs tht is elected representatives should be SadiqAmeen? This is foremost public interest... sheikh rashid's entire petitin revolves around 62,63.. It will nullify his entire case if these articles cant be invoked.. Also he took this case, because he said earlier around 12 MNAs have been disqualified for hiding assets and not being sadiq ameen..so either disqualify PM or should reinstate those MNAs

brother,

but there is one problem here, PM should only be disqualify from ECP, and in ECP petition already filled by PTI.

 

[Emmie]

Gilanis disqualification was done through supreme court, not by ECP... Even speaker of tht time, Fehmida mirza didnt forward the case.. It was supreme court bench headed by Iftikhar Ch, which disqualified Gilani..

And Sheikh Rashid did tell court today tht we went for TOR, we went for ECP, and everywhere and noone listened.. I think he mentioned this... Also, i am unable to understand..how does PM not being sadiq ameen, not fall in public intererest category? Isnt it public interest, tht PM or MNAs tht is elected representatives should be SadiqAmeen? This is foremost public interest... sheikh rashid's entire petitin revolves around 62,63.. It will nullify his entire case if these articles cant be invoked.. Also he took this case, because he said earlier around 12 MNAs have been disqualified for hiding assets and not being sadiq ameen..so either disqualify PM or should reinstate those MNAs

Read last lines of my previous post, you'll understand my take on Gillani case. Does disqualification fall within the category of public importance? it's a question which can be answered by SC only because only SC can interpret law. However nothing stops SC from doing complete justice when article 184(3) is applied with article 187, what all is needed is a will. As for as disqualification of 12 members is concerned, they were disqualified mostly on petitions related to pre-election matters, article 63(1).

Please read this post deeming Gillani's disqualification.

I don't agree with this. Going by the law being interpreted now, SC could convict him only. Please recall there are two orders in the case, one for conviction and one for disqualification. Justice Chaudhry in second order ruled that SC had powers to disqualify without directing the speaker to file a reference. Please recall speaker refused to file a reference for PM disqualication when directed to comply with 1st order. Interestingly NS was the petitioner at that time.

 

[Verve]

@Emmie Could SC declare Nawaz a liar based on his speeches and the contradictory evidence eventually provided in the courts by his children? And if they do that, what could be follow up judgement?

This is one of the three main points they made today to his lawyer.

 

[PakSword]

@PakSword please make a note that no deed is registered or enforced in any court of law, nor any restrictions were requested in HR registry department. Also notice that companies are registered with BVI authorities whereas trust is declared under English laws.

I have heard that it is not required to declare the trust. Is this true?

why didn't Naeem bukhari..mention this fact in the court..tht Maryam paid zero taxes, and hence she is a dependent.. because judges kept asking Naeem bukhari to prove tht Maryam is dependent on her father, but he didn't mention this..i guess and he was unable to convince judges in this matter.. infact, on this, Sheikh Rashid's argumnets later, were more effective

He mentioned this fact. In fact there was a long argument on this point I have heard..

 

[Emmie]

@Emmie Could SC declare Nawaz a liar based on his speeches and the contradictory evidence eventually provided in the courts by his children? And if they do that, what could be follow up judgement?

This is one of the three main points they made today to his lawyer.

On merit I find no reason why can't he be declared a liar (not sadiq). But we have a long history of verdicts based on technicalities, for instance NS in this case is relying upon the argument that SC is not the forum for disqualification because law requires disqualification reference via speaker to ECP, in other words he's saying technically SC can't declare him disqualified. This point was also raised by CJ today, not sure what court is up to but I am sure court will consider the fact that petitioners were denied other legal remedies available to them, as law required references were made to ECP but speaker rejected them. You rightly pointed out that the court today asked counsel for NS to answer whether PM lied or not, counsel of course will answer no, now if court is satisfied then no disqualification based on lies and if court is not satisfied (majority of the judges) then disqualification either by court itself or through ECP.

I have heard that it is not required to declare the trust. Is this true?

I read the same but SC today declared it invalid for not being registered. How would we know the deed is real? It's between a brother and a sister and interestingly both are facing allegations.

 

[Zibago]

a case of similar nature, r u in your senses do u know what was the case against gilani??

he disobeyed the orders of Supreme court, for which he have to face consequences.

for me the IK and NS , both facing same case, for non declaration of their assets , Yes NS is PM so morally his case is more important.
but unfortunately IK what saying outside court not saying inside court room, not a one single allegation of corruption, just discussing what NS presented and saying.



brother,

but there is one problem here, PM should only be disqualify from ECP, and in ECP petition already filled by PTI.

The supreme court was forcing the govt to send letters to Swiss govt so that those allegations could be invedtigated on a govt to govt base he refused tp follow orders that case started off from a similar track but in this case Nawaz is faced with frendlier courts

 

[Jzaib]

Ik gave clean chit to PML N present government, when arguing on transactions of 90,s.
Ik Narrative that Present Government is Corrupt washed out by PTI by it self, that they not talked once about any corruption took place in present tenure.

Its not the job of opposition, it is job of NAB and FIA. even most pmln member knows that Sharif is corrupt but he is using law against the system. why dont they provide money trail . What do u personally think when did they bought the flats . i know your every answer will include IK but i wana see how shameless one can get.

 

[El_Swordsmen]

Interesting !!

 

[PakSword]

Joke of the century

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[PakSword]

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