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Case ab khatam hota nazar aaraha hai... Aap ke mpaqqif ko tasleem kartay hain? Jurm ki tehqeeqat mutalliqa idaray hi karsaktay hain- Justice Khosa ??? :frown: :cry:

Ab kia reh gaya case main?



Nhi... Chairman NAB aur FIA ko aana hi tha....unhein PTI ne fareeq banaya tha... Pehle bhi Justice khosa ne kaha tha ke unki baari aayegi tu sawal poochein ge..

Tuesday kiun? Kia next hearing tuesday ko hai?? :eek:
Well i have been following the thread from the start and have seen you very very active and optimistic on this thread. If you do not mind, can you please share what is that you were hoping for? What ELSE you were hoping for? This is what was going to happen and almost all of us had an idea. I really appreciate and admire your optimism that things might have changed but this is our country and the same corrupt systems. I was not expecting anything thing positive coming from this system anyway. The best you can hope for is a confusing verdict, something that both parties will claim as victory and isi khaap mein elections aajanay!! Do not for a moment think that SC will declare NS the thief that he is and hold him accountable!!
 
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Ab pata hai...hoga kia? Justice khosa ne tu aaj keh diya ke hum kisi ko mujrim qarar nahi de saktay... tu hoga yeh ke..judges apnay verdict main remarks dein ge humein PM sadiq aur amen nazar nahi aatay..speeches ki bunyaad par... aur phir election commission ko refer kar dein ge article 62,63 ki proceedings ke liye... jaisy hi court ke ye remarks aayein ge... PM will dissolve the assembly and announce elections..is se pehle ke election commission faisla dey..... aur election campaign main kahein ge ke humain kaam nahi karnay diya kaha.. siyasi shaheed banain ge aur us se bhi ziada majority se next elections main jeet kar aayein ge... THERE YOU GO....

@IceCold @PakSword
 
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Ab pata hai...hoga kia? Justice khosa ne tu aaj keh diya ke hum kisi ko mujrim qarar nahi de saktay... tu hoga yeh ke..judges apnay verdict main remarks dein ge humein PM sadiq aur amen nazar nahi aatay..speeches ki bunyaad par... aur phir election commission ko refer kar dein ge article 62,63 ki proceedings ke liye... jaisy hi court ke ye remarks aayein ge... PM will dissolve the assembly and announce elections..is se pehle ke election commission faisla dey..... aur election campaign main kahein ge ke humain kaam nahi karnay diya kaha.. siyasi shaheed banain ge aur us se bhi ziada majority se next elections main jeet kar aayein ge... THERE YOU GO....

@IceCold @PakSword

I don't think.. I think they will refer the matter to commission for further investigation..
 
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Well i have been following the thread from the start and have seen you very very active and optimistic on this thread. If you do not mind, can you please share what is that you were hoping for? What ELSE you were hoping for? This is what was going to happen and almost all of us had an idea. I really appreciate and admire your optimism that things might have changed but this is our country and the same corrupt systems. I was not expecting anything thing positive coming from this system anyway. The best you can hope for is a confusing verdict, something that both parties will claim as victory and isi khaap mein elections aajanay!! Do not for a moment think that SC will declare NS the thief that he is and hold him accountable!!

@bold... yes.. I have been very active on this thread but optimistic? don't think so.... infact I have been blamed many times, on this thread for spreading negativity and hopelessness...

Ok..let me tell you.. initially I was not at all hopeful...jaisy hi case SC man case gaya tha.i was like..tht it will give verdict like election rigging case.like u said tht you were hoping for a confusing verdict..... but as the case proceeded, esp when PM family lawyers, started their arguments...don't know why...but then looking at the remarks of Justice Khosa, Justice Gulzar and Justice Ijazul Hasan, I somewhere became optimistic, esp after reading comments of some other members here, tht maybe this time judges will change history.... but still I kept swinging from one side to another to extent tht ppl said I spread negativity....

but you are right..... I shouldn't have become optimistic at all.... I should have stuck to my earlier stance... esp the way Justice Khosa, after 2 months hearing innocently declared today tht we cant declare anyone guilty...is enough to show where this case is heading? I have only myself to blame here, for all the frustration now...

I don't think.. I think they will refer the matter to commission for further investigation..

commission bhi sirf apni opinion de sakta hai...aur trial nahi karsakta... aaj Justice Khosa ke remarks nahi sunay ke hum kisi ko guilty nahi qarar de saktay? Commission agar keh bhi de ke inke papers jaali hain...tab bhi SC end main yehi verdict dey gi..on the basis of technicalities ke hum kuch nahi karsaktay... kisi aur forum par jayein... hum article 184 ke tehet kisi ko saza nahi dey saktay
 
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@bold... yes.. I have been very active on this thread but optimistic? don't think so.... infact I have been blamed many times, on this thread for spreading negativity and hopelessness...

Ok..let me tell you.. initially I was not at all hopeful...jaisy hi case SC man case gaya tha.i was like..tht it will give verdict like election rigging case.like u said tht you were hoping for a confusing verdict..... but as the case proceeded, esp when PM family lawyers, started their arguments...don't know why...but then looking at the remarks of Justice Khosa, Justice Gulzar and Justice Ijazul Hasan, I somewhere became optimistic, esp after reading comments of some other members here, tht maybe this time judges will change history.... but still I kept swinging from one side to another to extent tht ppl said I spread negativity....

but you are right..... I shouldn't have become optimistic at all.... I should have stuck to my earlier stance... esp the way Justice Khosa, after 2 months hearing innocently declared today tht we cant declare anyone guilty...is enough to show where this case is heading? I have only myself to blame here, for all the frustration now...



commission bhi sirf apni opinion de sakta hai...aur trial nahi karsakta... aaj Justice Khosa ke remarks nahi sunay ke hum kisi ko guilty nahi qarar de saktay? Commission agar keh bhi de ke inke papers jaali hain...tab bhi SC end main yehi verdict dey gi..on the basis of technicalities ke hum kuch nahi karsaktay... kisi aur forum par jayein... hum article 184 ke tehet kisi ko saza nahi dey saktay
yeh bs chuhay billi ka khel ha!! Pisti hm awam ha is mein!!

Anyway, i have been following the thread from start but just dint felt like sharing anything here as i was sure it wont do anything good for anyone! Might have missed that earlier "not so hopeful" phase of you. :)

On a personal level, I am so much disappointed in this judiciary system of our country and am so in doubt about it that if a verdict comes AGAINST NS i will stop and rethink (with some confidence) that may be NC is innocent after all since the courts are saying otherwise!! Do not expect these goons to do anything right at all!!

Anyway, i still feel that at the end of all this topi drama we will have both parties celebrating the decision and by that time election will be upon us and everyone will forget everything (public that is). For a pure political point of view, anything but a clear cut victory for PTI in shape of indictment of NS will be a catastrophic loss for Imran Khan. Although the public have seen the true face of NS and Co. still hm Jahil awam han, hmain is sb sa koi fark ni parny wala. So for PTI there is no in between, aar ya paar!! PMLN will suffer less loss if it all ends up in a tie (likely)
 
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yeh bs chuhay billi ka khel ha!! Pisti hm awam ha is mein!!

Anyway, i have been following the thread from start but just dint felt like sharing anything here as i was sure it wont do anything good for anyone! Might have missed that earlier "not so hopeful" phase of you. :)

Really? I think members like @biloo700 @PakSword @Doordie might disagree with you., esp @war&peace .. batayein inhein...how I have been hopeless on this thread,and according to you, spread negativity numerous times.. loll..

On a personal level, I am so much disappointed in this judiciary system of our country and am so in doubt about it that if a verdict comes AGAINST NS i will stop and rethink (with some confidence) that may be NC is innocent after all since the courts are saying otherwise!! Do not expect these goons to do anything right at all!!

You are soo right... this was the last time.... tht I even put 1% faith in our judicial system

Anyway, i still feel that at the end of all this topi drama we will have both parties celebrating the decision and by that time election will be upon us and everyone will forget everything (public that is). For a pure political point of view, anything but a clear cut victory for PTI in shape of indictment of NS will be a catastrophic loss for Imran Khan. Although the public have seen the true face of NS and Co. still hm Jahil awam han, hmain is sb sa koi fark ni parny wala. So for PTI there is no in between, aar ya paar!! PMLN will suffer less loss if it all ends up in a tie (likely )

yes... this is all going for a tie at best.. infact court will give verdict tht we have noted inconsistencies...but according to article 184, we cant declare anyone guilty... so this case will end on the basis of technicalities... that's it

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yeh bs chuhay billi ka khel ha!! Pisti hm awam ha is mein!!

Anyway, i have been following the thread from start but just dint felt like sharing anything here as i was sure it wont do anything good for anyone! Might have missed that earlier "not so hopeful" phase of you. :)

Really? I think members like @biloo700 @PakSword @Doordie might disagree with you., esp @war&peace .. batayein inhein...how I have been hopeless on this thread,and according to you, spread negativity numerous times.. loll..

On a personal level, I am so much disappointed in this judiciary system of our country and am so in doubt about it that if a verdict comes AGAINST NS i will stop and rethink (with some confidence) that may be NC is innocent after all since the courts are saying otherwise!! Do not expect these goons to do anything right at all!!

You are soo right... this was the last time.... tht I even put 1% faith in our judicial system

Anyway, i still feel that at the end of all this topi drama we will have both parties celebrating the decision and by that time election will be upon us and everyone will forget everything (public that is). For a pure political point of view, anything but a clear cut victory for PTI in shape of indictment of NS will be a catastrophic loss for Imran Khan. Although the public have seen the true face of NS and Co. still hm Jahil awam han, hmain is sb sa koi fark ni parny wala. So for PTI there is no in between, aar ya paar!! PMLN will suffer less loss if it all ends up in a tie (likely )

yes... this is all going for a tie at best.. infact court will give verdict tht we have noted inconsistencies...but according to article 184, we cant declare anyone guilty... so this case will end on the basis of technicalities... that's it


Es topic pe Noonies nae ate ... es baat se case ka pata chal jata hai .. just enjoy the moment ;)
 
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Es topic pe Noonies nae ate ... es baat se case ka pata chal jata hai .. just enjoy the moment ;)

kiya enjoy karein... aaj aap ne Justice Khosa ke remarks nahi parhay? hum kisi ko mujrim qarar nahi de saktay... aap ka moaqqif tasleem kartay hain... idaray hi tehqeeq karsaktay hain... aaj Justice Khosa ke remarks ne verdict ki jhalak dikhaa di hai
 
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commission bhi sirf apni opinion de sakta hai...aur trial nahi karsakta... aaj Justice Khosa ke remarks nahi sunay ke hum kisi ko guilty nahi qarar de saktay? Commission agar keh bhi de ke inke papers jaali hain...tab bhi SC end main yehi verdict dey gi..on the basis of technicalities ke hum kuch nahi karsaktay... kisi aur forum par jayein... hum article 184 ke tehet kisi ko saza nahi dey saktay

Lagta hai uss din main ne Justice Khosa ko mukhatib kar ke jo kaha tha ke LHC se kuchh sabaq seekhain, courts sahi forum nahi, parliament sahi forum hai, usay Justice Khosa ne serious lelia..
 
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kiya enjoy karein... aaj aap ne Justice Khosa ke remarks nahi parhay? hum kisi ko mujrim qarar nahi de saktay... aap ka moaqqif tasleem kartay hain... idaray hi tehqeeq karsaktay hain... aaj Justice Khosa ke remarks ne verdict ki jhalak dikhaa di hai

aray janab jub kisi lawyer k arguments end hu rahe hun us waqt esi he batain ki jatein hain ... judges ko buhut kuch pata hai ... that is why noon league commission se bhee bhag rahi hai k 1 week me PTI k documents verify hu sakte hain :D phr gya qatari kaam se ... ! relax karein .. or naeem bukhari ki bari ka wait karein :D jis army k general ne ishaq dar ka bayan record kiya tha wo araha hai court me :D
 
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Lagta hai uss din main ne Justice Khosa ko mukhatib kar ke jo kaha tha ke LHC se kuchh sabaq seekhain, courts sahi forum nahi, parliament sahi forum hai, usay Justice Khosa ne serious lelia..

Main ne kaha tha na..ke na kahein un se yeh... humaray judges aisi cheezein bhtt jaldi seekh letay hain ya pehlay se hi seekhay huay hotay hain :(

lekin Justice Khosa???? really? mujhe shock isi liye laga hai ke ye remarks justice khosa ne diya hain... agar justice Ijaz Afzal ne diye hotay tu doosri dafa sochti bhi na...inn par...

Ab tu lagta hai ke Justice Ijaz Afzal hi sahi thay... atleast unhon ne shuru se apna tilt dikhaa diya tha... he was not a hypocrite like other judges

aray janab jub kisi lawyer k arguments end hu rahe hun us waqt esi he batain ki jatein hain ... judges ko buhut kuch pata hai ... that is why noon league commission se bhee bhag rahi hai k 1 week me PTI k documents verify hu sakte hain :D phr gya qatari kaam se ... ! relax karein .. or naeem bukhari ki bari ka wait karein :D jis army k general ne ishaq dar ka bayan record kiya tha wo araha hai court me :D

Biloo bhai... haqeeqat ki dunya main wapis aajayein... khwabon ki dunya se nikal aayein :( Main nahi chahti ke aap ko bhi bara shock lagay....

Aaj Justice Khosa ne Salman Akram Raja se yeh nahi kaha ke aap ne adaalat ki achi muaawnat ki...aap ka shukriya..jaisy har lawyer se end main kaha jata hai... infact unhon ne kaha ke aap ke moaqqif ko tasleem kartay hain... mutalliqa idaray hi tehqeeqat karsaktay hain... hum article 184-3 ke tehet sirf declaration de saktay hain..kisi ko mujrim qarar nahi de saktay... understand the difference... aaj Justice Khosa ne technicalities ko accept kar liya hai... ab koi bhi aajaye...is case par koi farq nahi paray ga kiun ke judges ke mutabiq who kisi ko saza nahi de saktay
 
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Main ne kaha tha na..ke na kahein un se yeh... humaray judges aisi cheezein bhtt jaldi seekh letay hain ya pehlay se hi seekhay huay hotay hain :(

lekin Justice Khosa???? really? mujhe shock isi liye laga hai ke ye remarks justice khosa ne diya hain... agar justice Ijaz Afzal ne diye hotay tu doosri dafa sochti bhi na...inn par...

Ab tu lagta hai ke Justice Ijaz Afzal hi sahi thay... atleast unhon ne shuru se apna tilt dikhaa diya tha... he was not a hypocrite like other judges

Lekin agar hamara law hi langra loola hai tou judges kia karsaktay hain?

Aik baat par agree karta hun ke inhain pehlay hi batadena chahiey tha at least mujh jaisay awam ko jis ne company law aur corporate law ke ilawa koi law nahi parha, takay main aur mujh jaisay kafi log waqt zaya na kartay..

main ne tou apni company ka time chori kia, working hours main abbtakk ka twitter follow kar ke..

Lanat hai aisay nizaam, aise qawaneen par jis main adalton ke paas corrupt logon ko saza dene ka ikhtiaar nahi.. Baray banay phirtay hain "Islami Jamhooria Pakistan" aur bara uchaltay hain ke constitution islamic hai, aur phir hamaray aslaaf ki saari misaalon ki dhajjian bikhairtay huay kehtay hain ke president aur prime minister ko saza nahi desaktay.. President ko immunity hai.. wah ji wah..

Lanat aisay nizaam par..

Biloo bhai... haqeeqat ki dunya main wapis aajayein... khwabon ki dunya se nikal aayein :( Main nahi chahti ke aap ko bhi bara shock lagay....

Aaj Justice Khosa ne Salman Akram Raja se yeh nahi kaha ke aap ne adaalat ki achi muaawnat ki...aap ka shukriya..jaisy har lawyer se end main kaha jata hai... infact unhon ne kaha ke aap ke moaqqif ko tasleem kartay hain... mutalliqa idaray hi tehqeeqat karsaktay hain... hum article 184-3 ke tehet sirf declaration de saktay hain..kisi ko mujrim qarar nahi de saktay... understand the difference... aaj Justice Khosa ne technicalities ko accept kar liya hai... ab koi bhi aajaye...is case par koi farq nahi paray ga kiun ke judges ke mutabiq who kisi ko saza nahi de saktay

@biloo700 bhai, she is right..

Even if NS claims that he has done the money laundering, court cannot give verdict against him as it doesn't have authority under 184-3.

Abb samajh aaya.. forget about bringing proofs, I am saying even if NS says that yes he has done money laundering, courts can't punish him..
 
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Lekin agar hamara law hi langra loola hai tou judges kia karsaktay hain?

Aik baat par agree karta hun ke inhain pehlay hi batadena chahiey tha at least mujh jaisay awam ko jis ne company law aur corporate law ke ilawa koi law nahi parha, takay main aur mujh jaisay kafi log waqt zaya na kartay..

main ne tou apni company ka time chori kia, working hours main abbtakk ka twitter follow kar ke..

Lanat hai aisay nizaam, aise qawaneen par jis main adalton ke paas corrupt logon ko saza dene ka ikhtiaar nahi.. Baray banay phirtay hain "Islami Jamhooria Pakistan" aur bara uchaltay hain ke constitution islamic hai, aur phir hamaray aslaaf ki saari misaalon ki dhajjian bikhairtay huay kehtay hain ke president aur prime minister ko saza nahi desaktay.. President ko immunity hai.. wah ji wah..

Lanat aisay nizaam par..


yaad hai..jab Makhdoom Ali khan ne technicalities par baat ki thee aur article 66 ka zikr kia tha..us waqt Justice Khosa ne kaisy remarks diye thaykaha tha ke ye corruption par apply nahi karta///// Maryam Nawaz ke ako bhi shayad kaha tha ke aap keh rahay hain ke jo karna hai kar lo..hum kuch nahi batayein ge... kal bhi kaha tha ke maamla imaandari ka hai... main tu heiran hun ke aaj Justice Khosa ko kiya hua? who tu technicalities ke against baat kar chukay hain..is case main...aur ab achanak? aaj tu bilkol hi uturn le liya?
 
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yaad hai..jab Makhdoom Ali khan ne technicalities par baat ki thee aur article 66 ka zikr kia tha..us waqt Justice Khosa ne kaisy remarks diye thaykaha tha ke ye corruption par apply nahi karta///// Maryam Nawaz ke ako bhi shayad kaha tha ke aap keh rahay hain ke jo karna hai kar lo..hum kuch nahi batayein ge... kal bhi kaha tha ke maamla imaandari ka hai... main tu heiran hun ke aaj Justice Khosa ko kiya hua? who tu technicalities ke against baat kar chukay hain..is case main...aur ab achanak? aaj tu bilkol hi uturn le liya?

I have one hope left..

If they declare that NS is not sadiq and ameen, will this declaration be enough under article 62/ 63 to get him disqualified?
 
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I have one hope left..

If they declare that NS is not sadiq and ameen, will this declaration be enough under article 62/ 63 to get him disqualified?

if they declare Nawaz Sharif as not sadiq and Ameen..then court will refer it to election commission... I think Justice Jamali walay bench ne kaha tha ke 62,63 main disqualification election commission karta hai... aur jaisy hi court apnay verdict main aisy remarks dein ge... Nawaz Sharif will dissolve assembly and call early elections, before election commission gives its verdict... EC main case delay karany ke hazar tareeqay hain.......election campaigning main siyasi shaheed banain ge ke humein kaam nahi karnay diya gaya... and then will come with even more majority in next elections...

Mujhe Justice Khosa ke uturn ki abhi tak samajh nahi aayi
 
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