Panama Case - Post Verdict Discussion and Updates

[El Sidd]

Kal subah supreme court ka ghanta bajanay me jana chahta ho.

Utho bhai kaam karo.

Kia masla hai.

 

[PakSword]

I think Judges in ko jo 6 weeks ka time dya hai wo pora honay dain gay. Us kay baad kerain gay kuch. 6 weeks baad SC kuch nahi kerti tu phir I think PTI ko dobara roads per ana paray ga

Agar references kamzor file huay tou kia hoga? This is my only worry. Agar monitoring judge reference main changes karwatay hain, tou independence hurt hogi aur PMLN ko shor machanay ka moqa mil jaega. I don't think SC judge can modify the references.

I think SC should have appointed an honest HC CJ to monitor.. CJ Lahore HC was perfect for this task.

 

[QatariPrince]

Agar references kamzor file huay tou kia hoga? This is my only worry. Agar monitoring judge reference main changes karwatay hain, tou independence hurt hogi aur PMLN ko shor machanay ka moqa mil jaega. I don't think SC judge can modify the references.

I think SC should have appointed an honest HC CJ to monitor.. CJ Lahore HC was perfect for this task.

Yahin tu Farrogh Naseem ki baat ki logic banti hai. Article 187 aur 190 use kerain aur NAB ki appointment khud ker key reference file ker dain. Is key ilawa aur koi option nahi hai

 

[PakSword]

Yahin tu Farrogh Naseem ki baat ki logic banti hai. Article 187 aur 190 use kerain aur NAB ki appointment khud ker key reference file ker dain. Is key ilawa aur koi option nahi hai

Tou phir SC appeal kaisay sunay gi verdict ke baad?

Waisay ho tou sakta hai aisa..

 

[Farah Sohail]

Tou phir SC appeal kaisay sunay gi verdict ke baad?

Waisay ho tou sakta hai aisa..

article 187 aur 190 ke under..hi tu monitoring honi thee.. Panam implementation bench ne bhi article 187 aur 190 ki powers use ki theen.. Ab monitoring judge ke pass bhi wohi powers hian.lekin woh monitor kar hi nahi rahay..

And I also think ke ek dafa weak refrences file hogaye tu phir SC judge..usko ammend nahi karaa sakein ge.. Unhein jo karna tha..pehle karna tha... Agar baad main ammend karaya tu ek aur museebat..aur PML N ko bhi shor machaanay ka mauqa milay ga..

Jaisy inhon ne JIT ko monitor kiya tha...waisy hi karna chahye tha lekin mood nahi unka

 

[Shane]

14:10 - 22:53

35:30 - 37:20

Pichlay kafi din se hum jo baat discuss kar rahay hain.. abb shukar hai kafi aur log bhi media main soch rahay hain..

A must watch, specially the parts I have mentioned above.

@Farah Sohail @Shane @El_Swordsmen @QatariPrince @Realistic Change @Strike!

Can't speak for others but they must be reading my posts , there you go, a perfect example of apnay mon mian mitthu.

On a serious note, it proves we are not doing bad at all in our discussions.

Agar references kamzor file huay tou kia hoga? This is my only worry. Agar monitoring judge reference main changes karwatay hain, tou independence hurt hogi aur PMLN ko shor machanay ka moqa mil jaega. I don't think SC judge can modify the references.

I think SC should have appointed an honest HC CJ to monitor.. CJ Lahore HC was perfect for this task.

Isn't he the same judge who rejected contempt of court petition against NS for abusing judiciary a few days ago?

article 187 aur 190 ke under..hi tu monitoring honi thee.. Panam implementation bench ne bhi article 187 aur 190 ki powers use ki theen.. Ab monitoring judge ke pass bhi wohi powers hian.lekin woh monitor kar hi nahi rahay..

And I also think ke ek dafa weak refrences file hogaye tu phir SC judge..usko ammend nahi karaa sakein ge.. Unhein jo karna tha..pehle karna tha... Agar baad main ammend karaya tu ek aur museebat..aur PML N ko bhi shor machaanay ka mauqa milay ga..

Jaisy inhon ne JIT ko monitor kiya tha...waisy hi karna chahye tha lekin mood nahi unka

I think PTI HAS TO COME OUT OF ITS "MAYUN BAITHI HAY DULHAN" mode and file a petition against NAB for "mala fide intentions" now against its chairman for interference and hindering implementation of SC order to reopen hudaibya case and not interrogating the accused to file weak Petitions.

At least refusal to open Hudaibya case is grounds enough right now.

The other new petitions they can go after when weak petitions are submitted by NAB prosecution.

There are ways to counter the moves of defence and NAB but there should be absolute focus on the activities instead of this current laid back attitude of the three original petitioners, specifically the holidaying IK, why blame the judges always.

 

[Farah Sohail]

why blame the judges always.

SC itself gave order of monitoribg judge.. Monitoring judge appoint ho bhi gaye..lekin woh khud hi apna verdict implement nahi karrahay.. Monitoring judge ek maqsad ke liye thay.. PTI should be proactive lekin apnay verdict ko tu SC ne hi implement karna hai.. Why isnt J Ijazul Ahsan conducting monitoring proceedings?

 

[The Accountant]

I think Judges in ko jo 6 weeks ka time dya hai wo pora honay dain gay. Us kay baad kerain gay kuch. 6 weeks baad SC kuch nahi kerti tu phir I think PTI ko dobara roads per ana paray ga

IA uski nobat nahi ay gi

 

[Shane]

In simple words Panama Bench has done enough of its job by appointing a monitoring judge. Even NAB was told by head of former JIT to approach monitoring judge for permission to questioning JIT.

Answer these simple question for my information please:

Why is PTI or JI or SRA not interested in approaching monitoring judge for their grievances?

Why not approach SC for NAB not opening Hudaibya cases?

What is stopping the three petitioners to file contempt of court against NS?

Why can't they file against the Governments of SS and SKA for providing state resources to a DQ person?

Why leave the field open for PMLN?

SC itself gave order of monitoribg judge.. Monitoring judge appoint ho bhi gaye..lekin woh khud hi apna verdict implement nahi karrahay.. Monitoring judge ek maqsad ke liye thay.. PTI should be proactive lekin apnay verdict ko tu SC ne hi implement karna hai.. Why isnt J Ijazul Ahsan conducting monitoring proceedings?

Ok but why are the petitioners so laid back, muddai sust, why expect munsif chust?

 

[El Sidd]

In simple words Panama Bench has done enough of its job by appointing a monitoring judge. Even NAB was told by head of former JIT to approach monitoring judge for permission to questioning JIT.

Answer these simple question for my information please:

Why is PTI or JI or SRA not interested in approaching monitoring judge for their grievances?

Why not approach SC for NAB not opening Hudaibya cases?

What is stopping the three petitioners to file contempt of court against NS?

Why can't they file against the Governments of SS and SKA for providing state resources to a DQ person?

Why leave the field open for PMLN?



Ok but why are the petitioners so laid back, muddai sust, why expect munsif chust?

PTI is a political party.

There is little to be gained by politicising legal proceedings in Pakistan. On the contrary plenty to loose.

This is the point where your Sheikh Rasheeds come handy.

But i guess it would take bankruptcy to wake these souls up.

Corruption of wealth is easy to handle. Corruption of will is hard.

Imaan ki baat hai. Niyyat hogi krdenge warna irrelevant hojaenge duniya me.

 

[Farah Sohail]

@PakSword did u watch Mohammad Malick's prog "Breaking views" today?

 

[Shane]

PTI is a political party.

There is little to be gained by politicising legal proceedings in Pakistan. On the contrary plenty to loose.

This is the point where your Sheikh Rasheeds come handy.

But i guess it would take bankruptcy to wake these souls up.

Corruption of wealth is easy to handle. Corruption of will is hard.

Imaan ki baat hai. Niyyat hogi krdenge warna irrelevant hojaenge duniya me.

My point in asking the questions is that everyone wants SC to do this and that while not doing their own part.

Since there are three petitioners, I said so in my earlier posts that PTI should have a better understanding and coordination against Nawaz to fill the gaps. But leaving the legal side for an argument, they are nothing doing on political front either. NAWAZ should have been encircled by opponents and yet we see him focused on manipulating the system and making deals instead of being out of breath fighting on multiple fronts like contempt of court, using Govt. resources, inciting people against state etc etc.

 

[Realistic Change]

Man badly needed you ... We missed you a lot ... Slight optisim will suerly be of help for @Farah Sohail @PakSword @Realistic Change and @QatariPrince ...

By the way I think progress report is to be submitted to SC on Sep 8th...

I am not overly optimistic nor pessimistic re the situation. I am privy to a lot of things happening and things unfolding in corridors (be it diplomatic, political, financiers (yes you read it right; there are not so known to public financiers who are stakeholders in the system) or establishment - I define establishment more broadly; Bureacracy, PA, and Judiciary) that matter.

There is no formal "script" like before therefore exact result is not known to anyone!

There are developments happening at very fast pace, and since these are interdependent on various other factors therefore predicting or even forecasting is only limited to next sequential step.

 

[El Sidd]

My point in asking the questions is that everyone wants SC to do this and that while not doing their own part.

Since there are three petitioners, I said so in my earlier posts that PTI should have a better understanding and coordination against Nawaz to fill the gaps. But leaving the legal side for an argument, they are nothing doing on political front either. NAWAZ should have been encircled by opponents and yet we see him focused on manipulating the system and making deals instead of being out of breath fighting on multiple fronts like contempt of court, using Govt. resources, inciting people against state etc etc.

The system favours Nawaz Sharif without 184-3.

If article 190 is triggered it will become a national effort rather a political. Which is the aim of the state.

Rest is petty time delay tactics of those who value tomorrow over today.

 

[Farah Sohail]

I am not overly optimistic nor pessimistic re the situation. I am privy to a lot of things happening and things unfolding in corridors (be it diplomatic, political, financiers (yes you read it right; there are not so known to public financiers who are stakeholders in the system) or establishment - I define establishment more broadly; Bureacracy, PA, and Judiciary) that matter.

There is no formal "script" like before therefore exact result is not known to anyone!

There are developments happening at very fast pace, and since these are interdependent on various other factors therefore predicting or even forecasting is only limited to next sequential step.

Any info regd the judiciary? Whats their mood and intentions?