Panama Case - Post Verdict Discussion and Updates

[Imad.Khan]

 

[The Accountant]

Now thats more like it ,My objective was to bring the discussion to facts and logic im glad you are there ,check the first time comments by your self to my post it was filled with disgust and taunts and for you it was not acceptable that some one differs from the opinion ,Lets talk about sense shall be . (Some times you make fun of people English) which is no means to judge some ones way point .

If Im outside Pakistan ,Im still green Pakistan and doing far better job ,Firstly Im sending Remittances to Pakistan ,Secondly I have intellect with 16 nationalities and Im proud to represent Pakistan among them , I m trying to change my management perspective to invest in Pakistan .(I Care I have done all my education and work experience from Pakistan) and i care when some one starts calling financial shorts with out any reason ,you claim to have done Forensic accounting Now please care to explain whole case of Nawaz Sharif or Panama (Frankly I give a **** to Moron name NS) my concern is Pakistan as i have seen Zardari Era and seeing my industry suffering and my kids with out light and loadshedding ,My concern is people like us makes perception of Pakistan ,I have defended devaluation case for 4 years in this forum when all PTI rants were calling for devaluation and i was the one against it ,you know I dont earn in Rs but i know what it does to common man e.g 2008 Zardari devaluation ,Now lets begin the logical discussion shall we

Only discussion from your side was my english and me being paid


So if it was Nawaz Sharif Children one can sue them ,which law states that Children punishment will be given to Father ?

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Again you can put him in jail or hang him i ccare ,The case is not about his speeches case is about facts presented by so called JIT diamonds and tons of boxes ,remmember these perhaps these are going to haunt you and your favourite JIT for ever .

Now decide what this trial is all about and what NS is accused of first then reply is he guilty of giving two speeches or is his arguments are wrong ,did he provide false paper or is not taking salary an asset ,you are giving example of Justice system of UK and bla bla , first learn those systems .a case or investigation is never open ended the first rule of proceeding ,you have to provide challan against party ,Now my question to you Mr Hotshot do you know even the Challan of this case ? i guess not bcas all you do in ranting and making excuses and giving free speeches on morality and justice ,tell me above answer then we can have debate


So hang his children ,why you are making case against him ,which law says that benami property in the name of kids father has to go to jail ? tell me the law name ????

Brother that law is called NAB law ... So what you are saying that robbers should have left with invoices and if there is no invoice of robery than robery did not take place ...

There is a term called circumstantial evidence and most of the cases are decided based on circumatantial evidence ... I am busy right now, shortly will quote you paras from multiple laws to implcate MN based on current evidences ... Furthermore in court of law prior cases put a significant part ... Lets assume you let go NS then it means you have officially legalized corruption under the name of children ... Everyone will take briberies and will deposit it in the nmae of his her childrens and justuce system will keep on dismissing the case saying that properties are under the name of childrens ...

 

[Imad.Khan]

@war&peace @PakSword @Zarvan @Zibago @notorious_eagle @syed1 @Path-Finder @The Accountant @Shane @Farah Sohail please stay clear of noothiyas, they are extremely flammable this summer

 

[The Accountant]

Now thats more like it ,My objective was to bring the discussion to facts and logic im glad you are there ,check the first time comments by your self to my post it was filled with disgust and taunts and for you it was not acceptable that some one differs from the opinion ,Lets talk about sense shall be . (Some times you make fun of people English) which is no means to judge some ones way point .

If Im outside Pakistan ,Im still green Pakistan and doing far better job ,Firstly Im sending Remittances to Pakistan ,Secondly I have intellect with 16 nationalities and Im proud to represent Pakistan among them , I m trying to change my management perspective to invest in Pakistan .(I Care I have done all my education and work experience from Pakistan) and i care when some one starts calling financial shorts with out any reason ,you claim to have done Forensic accounting Now please care to explain whole case of Nawaz Sharif or Panama (Frankly I give a **** to Moron name NS) my concern is Pakistan as i have seen Zardari Era and seeing my industry suffering and my kids with out light and loadshedding ,My concern is people like us makes perception of Pakistan ,I have defended devaluation case for 4 years in this forum when all PTI rants were calling for devaluation and i was the one against it ,you know I dont earn in Rs but i know what it does to common man e.g 2008 Zardari devaluation ,Now lets begin the logical discussion shall we

Only discussion from your side was my english and me being paid


So if it was Nawaz Sharif Children one can sue them ,which law states that Children punishment will be given to Father ?

Dear @volatile Here is an extract from NAB ordinance. I am summarizing the case in the simplistic form based on above extracts of law and you can ask if you need any further information. Now this is the most honest attempt with law, explanation and everything to convince you and even after that you keep on defending NS then either your intellect level is way below or you are a paid nooni ... However, if you want to debate on legal and logical grounds I am ready ...

@Shane @PakSword @QatariPrince @PakPak @Zibago @Devil Soul @Arsalan @war&peace @Zarvan @notorious_eagle @syed1 @Path-Finder @Shane @Farah Sohail ... Guys below extracts of NAB ordinance for your information as well.

Definitions:

"Assets" means any property owned, controlled by or belonging to any accused, whether directly or indirectly, or held benami in the name of his spouse or relatives or associates, whether within or outside Pakistan 3* which 4[he] cannot reasonably account 2[for], or for which 4[he] cannot prove payment of full and lawful consideration.

“benamidar” means any person who ostensibly holds or is in possession or custody of any property of an accused on his behalf for the benefit and enjoyment of the accused;]

9 (a) A holder of a public office, or any other person, is said to commit or to have committed the offence of corruption and corrupt practices-
(v) if he or any of his dependents or benamidar owns, possesses, or has acquired right or title in any “assets or holds irrevocable power of attorney in respect of any assets orpecuniary resources disproportionate to his known sources of income, which he cannot reasonably account for or maintains a standard of living beyond that which is commensurate with his sources of income

(vii) if he has issued any directive, policy, or any SRO (Statutory Regulatory Order) or any other order which grants or 5[attempts to grant] any undue concession or benefit in any taxation matter or law or otherwise so as to benefit himself or any relative or associate or a benamidar or any other person. (THE CURRENT AMNESTY SCHEME WHERE DECLARATION OF PROPERTY is included falls under this category as declaration of property in no means will bring beenfit to Pakistan as the property will remain outside Pakistan - The Avenfield appartments)

30. (a) Notwithstanding anything 3[to the contrary] contained in 4[this Ordinance] or any other law 5[for the time being] in force, on pronouncement of judgment, the 6* Court shall have the jurisdiction and power to take cognizance of an offense committed in the course of the investigating or trial of a case by any officer, any witness, including an expert, who has tendered false evidence in the case, whether he deposed in court or not, or any other person, under section 176 to 182 of Chapter X, or section 191 to 204, or 211 to 223, or 225-A of Chapter XI, of the Pakistan Penal Code 1860 (Act XLV of 1860 ), or under any other law relating to false evidence and offences against public justice, and to summarily try him and award punishment provided for the offence under the law.


EXPLANATION:

The case is simple, NAB and JIT has accused MN and his other siblings to be Baynamidar of NS and has produced circumstantial evidence that these apartments are owned by MN. Since MN do not have any source of income, therefore, she cannot have these assets other than from illicit sources. The only possible source of illicit money can be her father or her uncle (SS) who are holding public offices for more than three decades.

turning the case in NS favor is very simple. He is saying that properties were transferred to him as a settlement in 2006 so in his support he can simply provide transfer deed of properties registered with governments mentioning the dates of 2006. But this will resolve just one query that i.e. flats were purchased in 2006. THen second query is they were financed by Qatari Shiekh hence in those transfer document seller must be Qatari prince Hammad bin Jassim. Third question will then arise why this property was transferred to just one grand son of NS, where as there are other grand son and daughters, for which they need a will (That will can also be verified through ink dating)... If proper will do not exist than again it will become a case of bribery... As none of this exists therefore Khwaja Harris has not provided a single piece of evidence...

As it is already established that properties are in possession (refer law above) of NS dependants (Benamirdar) since 1990s and same is on record and also accepted by accused themselves and while reconciling them with tax returns of NS and his dependants they are beyond their known source of income and hence as per section 9a(v) falls under corruption.

Now the word possession is important as it does not means own. Now NAB has provided sufficient evidence of possession including bills, trust deed, fake documents.

NAB and JIT has already proved that NS is falling under section9a(v) of NAB ordinance and now in order to prove otherwise NS has to simply provide the proof as mentioned above which should be easily available as a circumstantial evidence even if he cannot provide money trail of 70s by which funds were originally transferred to Qatar ...

However, whatever he is providing are non-conclusive and most of that are proving to ve fake. His lawyers are just wasting time to create a political issue by asking a question whose obvious answer is in political favor of NS. For example: do NS owns the legal right of property? Everyone knows its not NS, but his dependants and benamidar but Khwaja Haris is asking just to give a political narrative and we an uneducated and fool nation buying that narrative.

Let me assure you NAB is still handling this case very lightly if I would have been part of this team, I would have gone in public by leaking the case proceedings and documents to destroy NS lies all together ...

And with my experience this is very very very simple case and only a bad *** corrupt judge can give him clean chit but that would also mean the destruction of Pakistan. This case is going to be used as case law in many future cases and if such a simple and open case is decided in favor of NS then our country will be on time bomb.

 

[QatariPrince]

Dear @volatile Here is an extract from NAB ordinance. I am summarizing the case in the simplistic form based on above extracts of law and you can ask if you need any further information. Now this is the most honest attempt with law, explanation and everything to convince you and even after that you keep on defending NS then either your intellect level is way below or you are a paid nooni ... However, if you want to debate on legal and logical grounds I am ready ...

@Shane @PakSword @QatariPrince @PakPak @Zibago @Devil Soul @Arsalan @war&peace @Zarvan @notorious_eagle @syed1 @Path-Finder @Shane @Farah Sohail ... Guys below extracts of NAB ordinance for your information as well.

Definitions:

"Assets" means any property owned, controlled by or belonging to any accused, whether directly or indirectly, or held benami in the name of his spouse or relatives or associates, whether within or outside Pakistan 3* which 4[he] cannot reasonably account 2[for], or for which 4[he] cannot prove payment of full and lawful consideration.

“benamidar” means any person who ostensibly holds or is in possession or custody of any property of an accused on his behalf for the benefit and enjoyment of the accused;]

9 (a) A holder of a public office, or any other person, is said to commit or to have committed the offence of corruption and corrupt practices-
(v) if he or any of his dependents or benamidar owns, possesses, or has acquired right or title in any “assets or holds irrevocable power of attorney in respect of any assets orpecuniary resources disproportionate to his known sources of income, which he cannot reasonably account for or maintains a standard of living beyond that which is commensurate with his sources of income

(vii) if he has issued any directive, policy, or any SRO (Statutory Regulatory Order) or any other order which grants or 5[attempts to grant] any undue concession or benefit in any taxation matter or law or otherwise so as to benefit himself or any relative or associate or a benamidar or any other person. (THE CURRENT AMNESTY SCHEME WHERE DECLARATION OF PROPERTY is included falls under this category as declaration of property in no means will bring beenfit to Pakistan as the property will remain outside Pakistan - The Avenfield appartments)

30. (a) Notwithstanding anything 3[to the contrary] contained in 4[this Ordinance] or any other law 5[for the time being] in force, on pronouncement of judgment, the 6* Court shall have the jurisdiction and power to take cognizance of an offense committed in the course of the investigating or trial of a case by any officer, any witness, including an expert, who has tendered false evidence in the case, whether he deposed in court or not, or any other person, under section 176 to 182 of Chapter X, or section 191 to 204, or 211 to 223, or 225-A of Chapter XI, of the Pakistan Penal Code 1860 (Act XLV of 1860 ), or under any other law relating to false evidence and offences against public justice, and to summarily try him and award punishment provided for the offence under the law.


EXPLANATION:

The case is simple, NAB and JIT has accused MN and his other siblings to be Baynamidar of NS and has produced circumstantial evidence that these apartments are owned by MN. Since MN do not have any source of income, therefore, she cannot have these assets other than from illicit sources. The only possible source of illicit money can be her father or her uncle (SS) who are holding public offices for more than three decades.

turning the case in NS favor is very simple. He is saying that properties were transferred to him as a settlement in 2006 so in his support he can simply provide transfer deed of properties registered with governments mentioning the dates of 2006. But this will resolve just one query that i.e. flats were purchased in 2006. THen second query is they were financed by Qatari Shiekh hence in those transfer document seller must be Qatari prince Hammad bin Jassim. Third question will then arise why this property was transferred to just one grand son of NS, where as there are other grand son and daughters, for which they need a will (That will can also be verified through ink dating)... If proper will do not exist than again it will become a case of bribery... As none of this exists therefore Khwaja Harris has not provided a single piece of evidence...

As it is already established that properties are in possession (refer law above) of NS dependants (Benamirdar) since 1990s and same is on record and also accepted by accused themselves and while reconciling them with tax returns of NS and his dependants they are beyond their known source of income and hence as per section 9a(v) falls under corruption.

Now the word possession is important as it does not means own. Now NAB has provided sufficient evidence of possession including bills, trust deed, fake documents.

NAB and JIT has already proved that NS is falling under section9a(v) of NAB ordinance and now in order to prove otherwise NS has to simply provide the proof as mentioned above which should be easily available as a circumstantial evidence even if he cannot provide money trail of 70s by which funds were originally transferred to Qatar ...

However, whatever he is providing are non-conclusive and most of that are proving to ve fake. His lawyers are just wasting time to create a political issue by asking a question whose obvious answer is in political favor of NS. For example: do NS owns the legal right of property? Everyone knows its not NS, but his dependants and benamidar but Khwaja Haris is asking just to give a political narrative and we an uneducated and fool nation buying that narrative.

Let me assure you NAB is still handling this case very lightly if I would have been part of this team, I would have gone in public by leaking the case proceedings and documents to destroy NS lies all together ...

And with my experience this is very very very simple case and only a bad *** corrupt judge can give him clean chit but that would also mean the destruction of Pakistan. This case is going to be used as case law in many future cases and if such a simple and open case is decided in favor of NS then our country will be on time bomb.

You are wasting your time man! They know Sharif Family is guilty but they will not admit it. Check previous thread on Panama Case. Samjha Samjha ker thak gaye per ager koi samjhna hi na chaye tu banda kya keray. I have stopped discussing with Noon league supporters.

 

[The Accountant]

You are wasting your time man! They know Sharif Family is guilty but they will not admit it. Check previous thread on Panama Case. Samjha Samjha ker thak gaye per ager koi samjhna hi na chaye tu banda kya keray. I have stopped discussing with Noon league supporters.

I agree, and I know the results, but that was for neutral guys, as NS is trying to build a false narrative that this is a conspiracy by establishment and judiciary and NS is a law abiding innocent citizen and leader. I am writing it for the sake of our general public to reject his fake narrative with logic as this is my strength area. Just trying to play my part.

However, I think our public is more motivated by emotional appeal ... Unfortunate but true,,, But I will keep on playing my part and will pray for the best ...

 

[PakSword]

@war&peace @PakSword @Zarvan @Zibago @notorious_eagle @syed1 @Path-Finder @The Accountant @Shane @Farah Sohail please stay clear of noothiyas, they are extremely flammable this summer

 

[Dastaan]

baat to idhar tak aa chuki hai...
wakeel apni jaib bhar rahay hain

https://twitter.com/x/status/984001950852231168

https://twitter.com/x/status/983995066728501248

https://twitter.com/x/status/983329275100192768

https://twitter.com/x/status/983257447811964928

Note above: not good Angle, you were told to wait for approval from baji after this news planted in JANG/Geo/dunya etc.

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Not good Angle.

https://twitter.com/x/status/982655379409723392

 

[Shane]

baat to idhar tak aa chuki hai...
wakeel apni jaib bhar rahay hain

https://twitter.com/x/status/984001950852231168

https://twitter.com/x/status/983995066728501248

https://twitter.com/x/status/983329275100192768

https://twitter.com/x/status/983257447811964928

https://twitter.com/x/status/982655379409723392

All they are left with are Angles to work on in media to keep fooling their paltu "wafadar" from changing wafadari again.

Same conclusion about goons minting money at the cost of corrupt, drawn here in this post:

And the defense lawyer mints away more and more while Geo gets ads in the millions with each passing day, both assuring their SHER that they a

 

[PakSword]

 

[Shane]

But I will keep on playing my part and will pray for the best ...

and that is what the playing ignoramus attitude of our accost wants to discourage. He wants you to give up so he is not bothered or countered when he spreads his disinformation.

He is just pretending to converse while he keeps playing the loudspeaker, it is always going to be a one way propaganda of false narrative.

And just as shamelessly as their hoarsely shouting kingpin and innocently smiling nani jaan...acting the part of daddy's doll are going to end up in jail...probably hoping that Ahsan Iqbal or Kh.Paragon Rafique or neefa podry shall break them out of it.

They are planning and scheming to find a way for a presidential pardon somehow.

 

[The Accountant]

But InshAllah we will not let this happen ...

and that is what the playing ignoramus attitude of our accost wants to discourage. He wants you to give up so he is not bothered or countered when he spreads his disinformation.

He is just pretending to converse while he keeps playing the loudspeaker, it is always going to be a one way propaganda of false narrative.

And just as shamelessly as their hoarsely shouting kingpin and innocently smiling nani jaan...acting the part of daddy's doll are going to end up in jail...probably hoping that Ahsan Iqbal or Kh.Paragon Rafique or neefa podry shall break them out of it.

They are planning and scheming to find a way for a presidential pardon somehow.

 

[Dil Pakistan]

NS has said today that Wajid Zia will have to tell the court that who were the 40-people who helped / wrote the JIT report.

What does he mean?

 

[PakPak]

You are wasting your time man! They know Sharif Family is guilty but they will not admit it. Check previous thread on Panama Case. Samjha Samjha ker thak gaye per ager koi samjhna hi na chaye tu banda kya keray. I have stopped discussing with Noon league supporters.

I agree, and I know the results, but that was for neutral guys, as NS is trying to build a false narrative that this is a conspiracy by establishment and judiciary and NS is a law abiding innocent citizen and leader. I am righting it for the sake of our general public to reject his fake narrative with logic as this is my strength area. Just trying to play my part.

However, I think our public is more motivated by emotional appeal ... Unfortunate but true,,, But I will keep on playing my part and will pray for the best ...

I don't have energy with Noon supporters. They know exactly what they're posting but are just spread misinformation. I wrote him a long essay with screenshots of NAB law and his response was ''but why punish sharif if flats in kidz name''.

That's what his response will be to you as well

 

[Zibago]

Bc commode par tasverr banwa ley ab ye

@PakSword @Farah Sohail
Mehmaan e khasosi is convinced he is done all this yelling is nothing more than dil ko tasali