Panama Case - Post Verdict Discussion and Updates

[Syed1.]

Nawaz has given documents, i.e his money trail which would account for the money the flats were bought for. The only tiny problem is all the documents, including the fake Qatari letter, are all falsified.

Are you serious or joking?

Are all PMLN supporters this thick? @Syed1.

We get shielded from the worst of the lot on PakPassion... but the kind of Nooras you find on here will really blow your mind.

 

[PakPak]

We get shielded from the worst of the lot on PakPassion... but the kind of Nooras you find on here will really blow your mind.

Ab mai wahan uun saaron ko itni gaaliyaan doon lekin ban ho jaon ga. Mamoon jaisay logon ko waha jootay milnay chahye.

 

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I think I love scorpions!

 

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Nawaz has given documents, i.e his money trail which would account for the money the flats were bought for. The only tiny problem is all the documents, including the fake Qatari letter, are all falsified.

Are you serious or joking?

Are all PMLN supporters this thick? @Syed1.

Sharifs’ document to prove money trail discarded, says JIT chief
https://www.dawn.com/news/1399449
ISLAMABAD: The head of the Joint Investigation Team (JIT) in the Panama Papers case, Wajid Zia, testified before the accountability court on Tuesday that the JIT discarded a key document submitted by the Sharif family in the Supreme Court to prove the money trail of the purchase of its Avenfield Apartments despite not having any direct evidence and that the investigation team’s claim about the liabilities’ settlement of the Sharifs was on the basis of assumptions.

Discover: Profiles of JIT members

When during the cross-examination lead defence counsel of the Sharif family Advocate Khawaja Haris Ahmed asked Mr Zia, a star prosecution witness, why the JIT used the word “ostensibly” in its finding, he replied that the word was used because the investigation team did not have any direct evidence to conclusively prove that the Sharifs’ liabilities of 14 million dirhams were settled between 1978 and 1986 after the sale of 25 per cent shares of Gulf Steel Mills (GSM).

The claim of the Sharif family regarding the purchase of four apartments in Avenfield, Park Lane, was that it settled AED12 million from the sale proceeds of shares of Ahli Steel Mills (ASM) (erstwhile Gulf Steel Mills) with Qatari royals.

The JIT in the Volume III of its report on GSM rejected the claim of the Sharif family.

Wajid Zia testifies in court that JIT’s claim about liabilities settlement of Sharif family was on the basis of assumptions

Headed by Mr Zia of the Federal Investigation Agency (FIA), the JIT comprised representatives from the Inter-Services Intelligence, Military Intelligence, National Accountability Bureau (NAB), Securities and Exchange Commission of Pakistan (SECP) and State Bank of Pakistan (SBP).

The report said: “Liabilities of 14 millions Dirhams were ostensibly settled between 1978 to 1986 after 25 percent share sale of erstwhile Gulf Steel Mills.”

It may be mentioned that the JIT was of the view that the Sharif family did not make an investment of AED 12 million with Qatari prince Hamad bin Jassim Al-Thani and cleared the liabilities of GSM instead from that amount.

When Advocate Ahmed asked “did any witness inform you about the settlement of liabilities through shares sale proceeds”, Mr Zia replied in the negative.

Initially Mr Zia claimed that Tariq Shafi, who was operating the business of the Sharif family in the UAE, had stated that the liabilities were settled through the sale of shares. However, the defence counsel pointed out that Mr Shafi in his statement recorded before the JIT categorically stated that he did not know who and when these liabilities were cleared.

Mr Zia informed the court that since there were huge liabilities on GSM and Mr Shafi also defaulted on loans of Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI) and he opened an account in 1986, therefore, the JIT presumed that he cleared the liabilities during the period between 1978 and 1986.

He went on to say that unless one cleared the liabilities, one could not open an account in the same bank.

Advocate Ahmed asked whether the JIT recorded statement of any official of BCCI, obtained any bank transaction or collected any evidence to substantiate its stance, Mr Zia frankly admitted “there is no direct evidence on record”.

Mystery of Volume X
The secrecy of the much-hyped Volume X also came under discussion in the accountability court and Mr Zia disclosed that neither any written request was made for keeping the report confidential nor was there any written order of the Supreme Court in this regard.

During arguments on the agreement of the GSM’s shares sale, Mr Zia told the court that the JIT wrote seven letters under the Mutual Legal Assistance (MLA) to the UAE Central Authority for International Cooperation and sought information related to the establishment and disposal of the said mills.

When Advocate Ahmed challenged him that the JIT had written a few more MLA letters, Mr Zia said that for this he had to check the record. He then informed the accountability court judge Mohammad Bashir that the relevant record was in Volume X of the JIT’s report, which had been sealed by the Supreme Court.

When Advocate Ahmed asked, “did the apex court seal it on its own or it was done on the request of JIT”, Mr Zia said: “JIT requested the Supreme Court to keep this Volume X confidential.”

On another question of the defence counsel that “did you file any application for keeping this Volume confidential”, Mr Zia said: “No, the JIT verbally requested the Supreme Court bench to keep the Volume X confidential after which all the five copies have been sealed.”

“Can you produce any written order of the Supreme Court which asked the JIT to seal the Volume X?” Advocate Ahmed further asked. Mr Zia responded that the apex court also issued verbal directions upon the JIT’s request, therefore, there was no written order in this regard.

Advocate Ahmed then asked, “do you know NAB has also obtained copy of Volume X and during the hearing of Panama Papers case, counsel for respondents also read this Volume in the open court”, Mr Zia replied that he did not recollect that.

However, after the accountability court issued a direction, Mr Zia agreed to apply for relevant record of Volume X from the Supreme Court.

Advocate Amjad Pervez, another defence counsel, suggested that instead of seeking selected record related to GSM, the JIT head should apply for the entire Volume X since in the upcoming phase of cross-examination the MLAs regarding British Virgin Island and Financial Investigation Agency of the BVI would also come under discussion.

The accountability court adjourned the proceeding till Wednesday (today).

Published in Dawn, April 4th, 2018

You poor soul ,you have to tag people to defend your argument ,

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1671324/1-no-document-shows-nawaz-owned-avenfield-flats-wajid-zia/
No document names Nawaz as Avenfield flats' owner: Wajid Zia

 

[Shane]

Page 5: he is responsible if he or his dependents (which includes kids and parents, as seen on page 1) own assets or property beyond their means.

http://www.na.gov.pk/uploads/documents/1429771592_866.pdf

The fact you think some kids owning millions of pounds worth of flats should have their parents questioned shows I am fighting a losing battle, so I am wasting my time probably spoon feeding you.

Kudos for writing a factual and befitting reply. The amusing part is that he doesn't care if you show him undeniable documentary proof nor...

Nor it makes any difference that their leadership's own videos contradicting and lying are out there mocking their common sense.

They are all like their legendary bent tail of a buffoon Kingpin leading them, and to their benefit, so is his kids like Hussain Nawaz, AlhamduLillah !!! Due to who's genius (as mentioned by our deranged friend with ref to Qatri) of accepting the assets and therefore, burden of proof on himself, they are caught up in this hole to start with, lol. He contradicted his sister's vehement denial and proved her lie himself, AlhamduLillah!

The kingpins own speeches accepting assets as "hamaray Hain" once again, AlhamduLillah, came much later. All the more genius, lol. At least Nawaz had more time to think but that's the crux of it, lol...their own created quagmire in their panic to preempt Panama leaks.

Jaisa baap, waysi aulaad aur char jootay aagay unkay yeh paaltu...All geniuses, lol.

Show me the law...Show me the law...

Jab law dekhai tu Qatri ki yaad aai, lol,

Woh Qatri jo LNG contract signing daikhnay tu aaya huwa tha magar trial court maen paish nahe kia jaa sakta tha...

Koi Aik Suboot bhe nahe dikha saktay court maen tu geo tv par he dikha do?

Not a single proof of legitimate sources of funds or money trail. Not a single un-doctored ownership document of "self blundered in accepting" Central London properties. (just wait for FATF crackdown to hear about more such properties soon enough, lol).

again this is very clear if he has transfered ,Oh Please dont tell me you think his sons have covered all angles thru Qatari which JIT is not accepting ahahahhah , Irony

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1671324/1-no-document-shows-nawaz-owned-avenfield-flats-wajid-zia/
No document names Nawaz as Avenfield flats' owner: Wajid Zia

Same old same old...

For the thousandth time, lol, It's not about property in Nawaz's Name, lol, it's about benamidar property in kids name who had no source of income at the time of purchase. Get it genius?

 

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Nor it makes any difference that their leadership's own videos contradicting and lying are out there mocking their common sense.

They are all like their legendary bent tail of a buffoon Kingpin leading them, and to their benefit, so is his kids like Hussain Nawaz, AlhamduLillah !!! Due to who's genius (as mentioned by our deranged friend with ref to Qatri) of accepting the assets and therefore, burden of proof on himself, they are caught up in this hole to start with, lol. He contradicted his sister's vehement denial and proved her lie himself, AlhamduLillah!

The kingpins own speeches accepting assets as "hamaray Hain" once again, AlhamduLillah, came much later. All the more genius, lol. At least Nawaz had more time to think but that's the crux of it, lol...their own created quagmire in their panic to preempt Panama leaks.

Jaisa baap, waysi aulaad aur char jootay aagay unkay yeh paaltu...All geniuses, lol.

Show me the law...Show me the law...

Jab law dekhai tu Qatri ki yaad aai, lol,

Woh Qatri jo LNG contract signing daikhnay tu aaya huwa tha magar trial court maen paish nahe kia jaa sakta tha...

Koi Aik Suboot bhe nahe dikha saktay court maen tu geo tv par he dikha do?

Not a single proof of legitimate sources of funds or money trail. Not a single un-doctored ownership document of "self blundered in accepting" Central London properties. (just wait for FATF crackdown to hear about more such properties soon enough, lol).

Again you can put him in jail or hang him i ccare ,The case is not about his speeches case is about facts presented by so called JIT diamonds and tons of boxes ,remmember these perhaps these are going to haunt you and your favourite JIT for ever .

Now decide what this trial is all about and what NS is accused of first then reply is he guilty of giving two speeches or is his arguments are wrong ,did he provide false paper or is not taking salary an asset ,you are giving example of Justice system of UK and bla bla , first learn those systems .a case or investigation is never open ended the first rule of proceeding ,you have to provide challan against party ,Now my question to you Mr Hotshot do you know even the Challan of this case ? i guess not bcas all you do in ranting and making excuses and giving free speeches on morality and justice ,tell me above answer then we can have debate

Same old same old...

For the thousandth time, lol, It's not about property in Nawaz's Name, lol, it's about benamidar property in kids name who had no source of income at the time of purchase. Get it genius?

So hang his children ,why you are making case against him ,which law says that benami property in the name of kids father has to go to jail ? tell me the law name ????

 

[PakPak]

Let me break it down for you, as you're struggling. When I was 22 (an adult, not even a kid) my parents got me an expensive car. Now say I was 16 like NS's kids. Now if someone wanted to know how did me, a kid, get the car? They will go to my parents obviously. My parents will then show them their bank statement showing transfer of money then its fine. But if people like Nawaz Sharif are like ''we don't know how our kids got the millions of pounds of flats for'' then obviously they will get the blame. AS PER THE PAKISTANI LAW I STATED TO YOU. The court doesn't have to prove there was no transfer between Nawaz and the kids. All it has to do is convict Nawaz if he cannot explain how his kids got the flat. As per law ANY public office holder is TO BE BLAMED if the assets of kids can't be explained. And especially as the kids themselves have said they got the money for them from Nawaz. So the courts naturally asked him show us the transfer receipts of the money and show us where that money came from?

I mean this is nothing, when I was doing my college education a taxman showed up at my parents door asking them how I was getting thousands of pounds in my account (which I used for fees, the fees wasn't in their name but because they were my guardians they had to answer for it). My parents show him everything in under 20 minutes.

I mean why the feck are we even debating this? Your hero himself said in an interview that ''thieves never put their names on corrupt property, they always use their kids' names'

My God you're thick, for feck sake stop wasting our time. For the court to find him guilty the flats don't have to be in his name., so it doesn't matter if JIT cant find the flats in his name, all they have to do is show his kid's assets increased when he was PM, which they have done. How fecking hard it is?

Sharifs’ document to prove money trail discarded, says JIT chief
https://www.dawn.com/news/1399449
ISLAMABAD: The head of the Joint Investigation Team (JIT) in the Panama Papers case, Wajid Zia, testified before the accountability court on Tuesday that the JIT discarded a key document submitted by the Sharif family in the Supreme Court to prove the money trail of the purchase of its Avenfield Apartments despite not having any direct evidence and that the investigation team’s claim about the liabilities’ settlement of the Sharifs was on the basis of assumptions.

Discover: Profiles of JIT members

When during the cross-examination lead defence counsel of the Sharif family Advocate Khawaja Haris Ahmed asked Mr Zia, a star prosecution witness, why the JIT used the word “ostensibly” in its finding, he replied that the word was used because the investigation team did not have any direct evidence to conclusively prove that the Sharifs’ liabilities of 14 million dirhams were settled between 1978 and 1986 after the sale of 25 per cent shares of Gulf Steel Mills (GSM).

The claim of the Sharif family regarding the purchase of four apartments in Avenfield, Park Lane, was that it settled AED12 million from the sale proceeds of shares of Ahli Steel Mills (ASM) (erstwhile Gulf Steel Mills) with Qatari royals.

The JIT in the Volume III of its report on GSM rejected the claim of the Sharif family.

Wajid Zia testifies in court that JIT’s claim about liabilities settlement of Sharif family was on the basis of assumptions

Headed by Mr Zia of the Federal Investigation Agency (FIA), the JIT comprised representatives from the Inter-Services Intelligence, Military Intelligence, National Accountability Bureau (NAB), Securities and Exchange Commission of Pakistan (SECP) and State Bank of Pakistan (SBP).

The report said: “Liabilities of 14 millions Dirhams were ostensibly settled between 1978 to 1986 after 25 percent share sale of erstwhile Gulf Steel Mills.”

It may be mentioned that the JIT was of the view that the Sharif family did not make an investment of AED 12 million with Qatari prince Hamad bin Jassim Al-Thani and cleared the liabilities of GSM instead from that amount.

When Advocate Ahmed asked “did any witness inform you about the settlement of liabilities through shares sale proceeds”, Mr Zia replied in the negative.

Initially Mr Zia claimed that Tariq Shafi, who was operating the business of the Sharif family in the UAE, had stated that the liabilities were settled through the sale of shares. However, the defence counsel pointed out that Mr Shafi in his statement recorded before the JIT categorically stated that he did not know who and when these liabilities were cleared.

Mr Zia informed the court that since there were huge liabilities on GSM and Mr Shafi also defaulted on loans of Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI) and he opened an account in 1986, therefore, the JIT presumed that he cleared the liabilities during the period between 1978 and 1986.

He went on to say that unless one cleared the liabilities, one could not open an account in the same bank.

Advocate Ahmed asked whether the JIT recorded statement of any official of BCCI, obtained any bank transaction or collected any evidence to substantiate its stance, Mr Zia frankly admitted “there is no direct evidence on record”.

Mystery of Volume X
The secrecy of the much-hyped Volume X also came under discussion in the accountability court and Mr Zia disclosed that neither any written request was made for keeping the report confidential nor was there any written order of the Supreme Court in this regard.

During arguments on the agreement of the GSM’s shares sale, Mr Zia told the court that the JIT wrote seven letters under the Mutual Legal Assistance (MLA) to the UAE Central Authority for International Cooperation and sought information related to the establishment and disposal of the said mills.

When Advocate Ahmed challenged him that the JIT had written a few more MLA letters, Mr Zia said that for this he had to check the record. He then informed the accountability court judge Mohammad Bashir that the relevant record was in Volume X of the JIT’s report, which had been sealed by the Supreme Court.

When Advocate Ahmed asked, “did the apex court seal it on its own or it was done on the request of JIT”, Mr Zia said: “JIT requested the Supreme Court to keep this Volume X confidential.”

On another question of the defence counsel that “did you file any application for keeping this Volume confidential”, Mr Zia said: “No, the JIT verbally requested the Supreme Court bench to keep the Volume X confidential after which all the five copies have been sealed.”

“Can you produce any written order of the Supreme Court which asked the JIT to seal the Volume X?” Advocate Ahmed further asked. Mr Zia responded that the apex court also issued verbal directions upon the JIT’s request, therefore, there was no written order in this regard.

Advocate Ahmed then asked, “do you know NAB has also obtained copy of Volume X and during the hearing of Panama Papers case, counsel for respondents also read this Volume in the open court”, Mr Zia replied that he did not recollect that.

However, after the accountability court issued a direction, Mr Zia agreed to apply for relevant record of Volume X from the Supreme Court.

Advocate Amjad Pervez, another defence counsel, suggested that instead of seeking selected record related to GSM, the JIT head should apply for the entire Volume X since in the upcoming phase of cross-examination the MLAs regarding British Virgin Island and Financial Investigation Agency of the BVI would also come under discussion.

The accountability court adjourned the proceeding till Wednesday (today).

Published in Dawn, April 4th, 2018

You poor soul ,you have to tag people to defend your argument ,

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1671324/1-no-document-shows-nawaz-owned-avenfield-flats-wajid-zia/
No document names Nawaz as Avenfield flats' owner: Wajid Zia

 

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S PER THE PAKISTANI LAW I STATED TO YOU. The court doesn't have to prove there was no transfer between Nawaz and the kids. All it has to do is convict Nawaz if he cannot explain how his kids got the flat. As per law ANY public office holder is TO BE BLAMED if the assets of kids can't be explained. And especially as the kids themselves have said they got the money for them from Nawaz. So the courts naturally asked him show us the transfer receipts of the money and show us where that money came from?

I mean this is nothing, when I was doing my degree a taxman showed up at my parents door asking them how I was getting thousands of pounds in my account (which I used for fees). My parents show him everything in under 20 minutes.

I mean why the feck are we even debating this? Your hero himself said in an interview that ''thieves never put their names on corrupt property, they always use their kids' names'

My God you're thick, for feck sake stop wasting our time. For the court to find him guilty the flats don't have to be in his name. How fecking hard it is?

Sir indeed Congratulations on your achievements but this has nothing to do ,when you accuse some one its your responsibility to prove he/she is guilty ,Now we are at same point which we left ,I guess you have done O/A levels ,you love to write ,do that its a passion based hobby but try add facts to the fiction the link you showed above i have already provided you screenshot which does not state that any property on you kids name you have to answer that ,this is called Punjab police jungle ka kanoon when you start taking parents if you are not able to fugitive son

 

[Shane]

Again you can put him in jail or hang him i ccare ,The case is not about his speeches case is about facts presented by so called JIT diamonds and tons of boxes ,remmember these perhaps these are going to haunt you and your favourite JIT for ever .

Now decide what this trial is all about and what NS is accused of first then reply is he guilty of giving two speeches or is his arguments are wrong ,did he provide false paper or is not taking salary an asset ,you are giving example of Justice system of UK and bla bla , first learn those systems .a case or investigation is never open ended the first rule of proceeding ,you have to provide challan against party ,Now my question to you Mr Hotshot do you know even the Challan of this case ? i guess not bcas all you do in ranting and making excuses and giving free speeches on morality and justice ,tell me above answer then we can have debate


So hang his children ,why you are making case against him ,which law says that benami property in the name of kids father has to go to jail ? tell me the law name ????

Oh my genius friend you are not keeping up with facts already disclosed in trial court proceedings...watching too much geo does that to people...try Samaa tv or even Dawn is not as bad, lol.

You are still ranting Nawaz's old abandoned narrative of no salary, lol.

Nawaz took out Salary again and again, even after taking office as PM, in the month of August 2013, The UAE government provided this certified documentary evidence, lol.

Easy on the Bla bla bla ...talk some sense.

It's a well known law, it was made by Nawaz when he pitched SaifurRehman against PPP...

This law is also present in NAB act:

Take your time and read the above, then read the rest of the NAB law if you have the courage or the sense to do it. Which undoubtedly you don't have.

So feel free to continue on with your insults to common sense sucking up to false narrative of Bakvas Sharif but not at our expense here. You will be shown your face in the mirror.

 

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[PakPak]

Sir indeed Congratulations on your achievements but this has nothing to do ,when you accuse some one its your responsibility to prove he/she is guilty ,Now we are at same point which we left ,I guess you have done O/A levels ,you love to write ,do that its a passion based hobby but try add facts to the fiction the link you showed above i have already provided you screenshot which does not state that any property on you kids name you have to answer that ,this is called Punjab police jungle ka kanoon when you start taking parents if you are not able to fugitive son

Are you blind? I already showed you the law states you have to. I'll screenshot it for you as you don't seem to have the capability to read:



@Shane I am done with him

 

[Shane]

Sir indeed Congratulations on your achievements but this has nothing to do ,when you accuse some one its your responsibility to prove he/she is guilty ,Now we are at same point which we left ,I guess you have done O/A levels ,you love to write ,do that its a passion based hobby but try add facts to the fiction the link you showed above i have already provided you screenshot which does not state that any property on you kids name you have to answer that ,this is called Punjab police jungle ka kanoon when you start taking parents if you are not able to fugitive son

So assets beyond means has no implications on the benefactor according to your logic. Well thankfully, laws are not made on your logic anywhere in the world but your head.

Are you blind? I already showed you the law states you have to. I'll screenshot it for you as you don't seem to have the capability to read:



@Shane I am done with him

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That's his game, in fact, that's all their game is, TV shows, Jalsas, pressers, and social media...It's all about ranting and ranting the same false narrative over and over, no matter how logically we speak or what proof we show them.

They stand naked and proud.

 

[PakPak]

So assets beyond means has no implications on the benefactor according to your logic. Well thankfully, laws are not made on your logic anywhere in the world but your head.


That's his game, in fact, that's all their game is, TV shows, Jalsas, pressers, and social media...It's all about ranting and ranting the same false narrative over and over, no matter how logically we speak or what proof we show them.

They stand naked and proud.

I mean how many times do I have to answer the same question again and again?

I bet his next reply will still be: ''but its kidz who got flats, they r not in sharif name so why he get blame''

 

[Shane]

Remember the trump campaign, naked and proud, right out of the Cambridge Analytics guide book of campaigns for their clients.

Let's see if noonytoons are just as lucky with Indian RAW as Trump was with Russian intelligence. I sure hope our boys are up to the task unlike FBI.

@Arsalan @django @war&peace there certainly may be more to it than meets the eye.

 

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