Panama Case - Post Verdict Discussion and Updates

[QatariPrince]

Pervaiz Rasheed vs Chaudhry Nisaar


Pervaiz Rasheed nay interview main Ch Nisaar per indirectly kaha tha "Interior Minister hamara tha per phir bhi decision hamaray against atay gaye. Dawn Leaks say lay ker JIT tak. Main nay jamhoriyat k lye Dawn leaks main qurbani di thi. Establishment against hai NS kay PTI tu sirf aik mohra hai jo istemal hua hai"

Abhi Ch Nisaar kay spokesman nay Press Release di hai

ترجمان سابق وزیر داخلہ محمد اسلم شاہد کا پرویز رشید کے بیان پر ردعمل
کچھ لوگوں نےکیوں اپنی غلطیوں کابوجھ وزارت داخلہ اوراسٹیبلشمنٹ پرڈال دیا،ترجمان
لگتاہےایسےلوگوں کی سوئی وزارت داخلہ اورسابق وزیرداخلہ پرآکرپھنس گئی ہے،ترجمان
ڈان لیکس،6رکنی کمیٹی میں1ممبروزارت داخلہ،5ممبروفاق یاصوبائی حکومت کےماتحت تھے
وہ معصوم ہیں توحکومت کومشورہ دیناچاہئےڈان لیکس کمیٹی رپورٹ منظرعام پرلائی جائے
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[PakSword]

Phir wohi baat kahun gi ke sab se pehle Chairman NAB ko sideline karna chahye tha..jaisy Justice Khosa ne kia tha.. Woh hojaata tu hum chain se bethay hotay aaj

Jahan tak hudaibyaa case ka talluq hai.. SC ne apnay verdict main hudaibya ka zikr nahi kiya tha... Is ke peechay hi chairman NAB chup raha hai...ke SC ne verdict main order nahi kia.... Wh shayad SC ne is liye order nahi kiya..jaisy Justice Khosa ne kaha tha, ke SC is an appellate court ..is liye khud apnay saamnay appeal file karnay ka nahi keh saktay.. SC bas dua aur minnatein karrahi thee ke kisi taarh humaray saamnay appeal kar do..

Jabhi tou main ne kaha tha ke mujhay SC ka faisla hi samajh nahi aaya.. Agar yeh appeal file karnay ko Chairman NAB pe chorain ge tou Chairman NAB tou apni laash pe se guzarwa kar Hudaibiya open karnay ki ijazat dega..

Aisa ghatia faisla nahi dekha.. jis main forgery ko address hi nahi kia gaya.. hudaibiya ki reopening ki appeal ka ikhtyar NAB ko dia gaya.. Chairman NAB ko Court ke saamnay court ka hukum na maannay par bhi apni post pe barqaraar rakha gaya.. aur bhi buhat kuchh points hain merey paas..

Is sab main..except SC..sab kuch tu pehle hi manage hochuka hai.. Sirf ek SC ek obstacle hai..warna baqi sab ko manage karna, Gen Bajwa ke liye kuch mushkil nahi hoga..agar woh NS ko safe exit denay ka soch lein..

General Bajwa is trying to act neutral. Aur hum par yehi unn ka ehsaan e azeem hai ke woh abb neutral hi rahain tou acha hai..

Niyyat pe shak na karo.

Kis ne kia hai niyyat pe shak?

Mamnoon ne IBA se parha ha us zamane jab parhai nayaab thi.

Ishaq Dar bhi ICAEW ka Chartered Accountant hai, CAs aaj bhi Pakistan main na paid hain..

Mahajir bhi hain lol cheap shot i know

Bara hi cheap shot hai waqai..

Malang aadmi ko murda na keh heeriya

Oo bhai, tou President house main ki kar raha hai? Data darbaar pe baithay..

 

[Realistic Change]

Nawaz has a deck of cards and he has thrown all his cards out hoping one will hit a target.

His staying mum or not doing anything wasn't an option; it would be a disaster. He is not finding help even from his own party except few "touts", he knows that it's his last chance - so he has gambled.

Asma Jehangir will be officially heading (or be an extremely important member) the consultation group that Nawaz is forming. Gloves are off!

Gloves were off sequel continues.......

Full fledged head on planned/discussed now, including Constitutional Amemendments for controlling PA through Fed Cabinet, Reference against Justice Khosa, Control all promotions from Maj Gen and above by Pol Govt, life long indemnity for PM forever and so on and so forth - welcome to Zar & Shar Marka Khalis "Jamhooriyat" !

Those anchors who think AAZ is not on board can contact Raza Rabbani or Syed Khurshid Shah to further confirm.

And yes @PakSword - your anger makes perfect sense. Recall our convo two days ago re AAZ and stuff.

 

[PakSword]

Gloves were off sequel continues.......

Full fledged head on planned/discussed now, including Constitutional Amemendments for controlling PA through Fed Cabinet, Reference against Justice Khosa, Control all promotions from Maj Gen and above by Pol Govt, life long indemnity for PM forever and so on and so forth - welcome to Zar & Shar Marka Khalis "Jamhooriyat" !

Those anchors who think AAZ is not on board can contact Raza Rabbani or Syed Khurshid Shah to further confirm.

Lolz..

Kia mulk hai yaar.. I have lost interest completely now..

 

[Farah Sohail]

Jabhi tou main ne kaha tha ke mujhay SC ka faisla hi samajh nahi aaya.. Agar yeh appeal file karnay ko Chairman NAB pe chorain ge tou Chairman NAB tou apni laash pe se guzarwa kar Hudaibiya open karnay ki ijazat dega..

Aisa ghatia faisla nahi dekha.. jis main forgery ko address hi nahi kia gaya.. hudaibiya ki reopening ki appeal ka ikhtyar NAB ko dia gaya.. Chairman NAB ko Court ke saamnay court ka hukum na maannay par bhi apni post pe barqaraar rakha gaya.. aur bhi buhat kuchh points hain merey paas..
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SC ..NAB ko order nahi karsakti thee...hudaibya par appeal file karnay ka.. Justice Khosa ne Nawaz Sharif ko dhabardoos karnay main koi kasar nahi chori thee..Chairman NAB se bhi saari poeers le li theen..lekin unhon ne bhi yeh kaha tha ke SC is an appellate forum.. Is liye chahnay ke bawajood main...NAB ko SC ke saamnay appeal file karnay ka nahi keh sakta..

Waisy Dr dhabardoos ki news hai...ke Nawaz sharif.. Justice akhosa ke against judicial reference bhejnay ka soch raha hia.. Mera khyal hai ke aisa hoga nahi.. Ajr agar inhon ne reference Godfather remarks par bhej bhi diya..tab bhi koi faida nahi hoga inhein..


Waisy ab ye jo review petition file hui hai.. Aap ka kiya khyal hai..iska kiya asar paray ga? Kia lagta hai..revoew ki hearing se pehle monitoring judge ki hearing hogi ya nahi? Review hearing tu august se pehle nahi hogi shayad..

General Bajwa is trying to act neutral. Aur hum par yehi unn ka ehsaan e azeem hai ke woh abb neutral hi rahain tou acha hai..
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Gen Baja..neutral act ya pretend kartay kartay..kab Nawaz sharif ke saath mil jayein..inka koi bharosa nahi.. Main sach keh rahi hun..sab se ziada inn par nazar rakhnay ki zuroorat hai..

 

[El Sidd]

Jabhi tou main ne kaha tha ke mujhay SC ka faisla hi samajh nahi aaya.. Agar yeh appeal file karnay ko Chairman NAB pe chorain ge tou Chairman NAB tou apni laash pe se guzarwa kar Hudaibiya open karnay ki ijazat dega..

Aisa ghatia faisla nahi dekha.. jis main forgery ko address hi nahi kia gaya.. hudaibiya ki reopening ki appeal ka ikhtyar NAB ko dia gaya.. Chairman NAB ko Court ke saamnay court ka hukum na maannay par bhi apni post pe barqaraar rakha gaya.. aur bhi buhat kuchh points hain merey paas..



General Bajwa is trying to act neutral. Aur hum par yehi unn ka ehsaan e azeem hai ke woh abb neutral hi rahain tou acha hai..



Kis ne kia hai niyyat pe shak?



Ishaq Dar bhi ICAEW ka Chartered Accountant hai, CAs aaj bhi Pakistan main na paid hain..



Bara hi cheap shot hai waqai..



Oo bhai, tou President house main ki kar raha hai? Data darbaar pe baithay..

Waha bhi chale jaege.

Abhi to jamhooriyat le doobi ha

 

[Farah Sohail]

Gloves were off sequel continues.......

Full fledged head on planned/discussed now, including Constitutional Amemendments for controlling PA through Fed Cabinet, Reference against Justice Khosa, Control all promotions from Maj Gen and above by Pol Govt, life long indemnity for PM forever and so on and so forth - welcome to Zar & Shar Marka Khalis "Jamhooriyat" !

Those anchors who think AAZ is not on board can contact Raza Rabbani or Syed Khurshid Shah to further confirm.

And yes @PakSword - your anger makes perfect sense. Recall our convo two days ago re AAZ and stuff.

Whats up..with SC? Any info regarding SC's mood..? Dr Dhabardoos, though cant be trusted fully..said something like..tht Justice Ijazul Ahsan will come back on 20th.. Is it true? Any confirmed news, regd this?

 

[PakSword]

SC ..NAB ko order nahi karsakti thee...hudaibya par appeal file karnay ka.. Justice Khosa ne Nawaz Sharif ko dhabardoos karnay main koi kasar nahi chori thee..Chairman NAB se bhi saari poeers le li theen..lekin unhon ne bhi yeh kaha tha ke SC is an appellate forum.. Is liye chahnay ke bawajood main...NAB ko SC ke saamnay appeal file karnay ka nahi keh sakta..

Main kab keh raha hun ke SC ko appeal file karnay ka kehna chahiey tha.. Chairman NAB ko tou line hazir karsaktay thay? jis ke baaray main maloom tha ke yeh kabhi Hudaibiya ki appeal nahi karega...

Waisy ab ye jo review petition file hui hai.. Aap ka kiya khyal hai..iska kiya asar paray ga? Kia lagta hai..revoew ki hearing se pehle monitoring judge ki hearing hogi ya nahi? Review hearing tu august se pehle nahi hogi shayad..

Main ne suna hai ke "review" petition aur lower court ka faisla "challenge" karnay main farq hai.. Agar tou lower court ka faisla challenge hota tou SC lower court ke orders pe status quo ka faisla karsakti thi.. yeh tou review hai.. iss main kuchh nahi hosakta.. saara kaam isi tarah jari o sari rahega.. aur NS ko chhuti milti rahegi...

 

[Realistic Change]

Lolz..

Kia mulk hai yaar.. I have lost interest completely now..

We can't take Pakistan out of ourselves- I totally understand your views and second them in toto.

The issue is we get too optimistic and hold onto glimmer of hope - that proves our unconditional love for country, however realities are bitter.

All parties (including JI Punjab) except PTI are on board to save their skins.

PML using this an opportunity to raise so much dust that they can go scot free. It knows clearly there's no conspiracy but slogan of conspiracy still sells when neo libtards like Asma Jehangir and Marvi Sirmed types are there plus fundamentalists/extremists like Fazlu and Achakzai are there .....

 

[PakSword]

We can't take Pakistan out of ourselves- I totally understand your views and second them in toto.

The issue is we get too optimistic and hold onto glimmer of hope - that proves our unconditional love for country, however realities are bitter.

All parties (including JI Punjab) except PTI are on board to save their skins.

PML using this an opportunity to raise so much dust that they can go scot free. It knows clearly there's no conspiracy but slogan of conspiracy still sells when neo libtards like Asma Jehangir and Marvi Sirmed types are there plus fundamentalists/extremists like Fazlu and Achakzai are there .....

I am sure they will succeed in bringing constitutional amendments after next GEs.. They are already planning to include it in their respective manifestos.

Baqion ka tou pata hai, lekin Jamaat e Islami pe hairat huee hai.. TBH.

 

[Farah Sohail]

Main kab keh raha hun ke SC ko appeal file karnay ka kehna chahiey tha.. Chairman NAB ko tou line hazir karsaktay thay? jis ke baaray main maloom tha ke yeh kabhi Hudaibiya ki appeal nahi karega...

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Kiya tu tha..pehle Chairman NAB ko line main hazir..kiya faida hua?

Waisy NS agar Justice Khosa ke against Godfather ke remarks par SJC main reference file karnay ka soch bhi raha hai, lolll...tu iska koi faida nahi hona.. Supreme judicial council main saalon case pending rehtay hain..unki hearing tak nahi hoti..aur jab tak faisla against main nahi aata..judges apna kaam jaari rakhtay hain.. Yahan tu itna frivolous charge hai..iski tu kabhi hearing bhi nahi hogi.. Aur Justice Khosa is a highly respected judge.. Unki integrity unquestionable hai.. Unke khilaf agar kuch garbar ki..poora SC unke saath hoga.. NS ko kisi tarah ka relief nahi mil sakti...
Is par tu humein tension free hona chaye bilkol.. Atleast Ye wala plan work nahi karsakta hai, bilkol @Realistic Change

Main ne suna hai ke "review" petition aur lower court ka faisla "challenge" karnay main farq hai.. Agar tou lower court ka faisla challenge hota tou SC lower court ke orders pe status quo ka faisla karsakti thi.. yeh tou review hai.. iss main kuchh nahi hosakta.. saara kaam isi tarah jari o sari rahega.. aur NS ko chhuti milti rahegi...

Iska matlab..review hearing shuru bhi hojaye..tab bhi NAB references aur baqi sab kaam continue rahay ga?

 

[PakSword]

Whats up..with SC? Any info regarding SC's mood..? Dr Dhabardoos, though cant be trusted fully..said something like..tht Justice Ijazul Ahsan will come back on 20th.. Is it true? Any confirmed news, regd this?

Mujhay tou SC part lag rahi hai iss saaray game ka abb.. mujhay iss decision pe bilkul khushi nahi huee.. iss se tou acha tha NS ko disqualify nahi kartay chairman NAB ko hata detey..

Dr Dhabardoos ne tou JIT ke members ke biknay ki khabar bhi di thi.. yeh aisay hi shakhs hain.. inn pe ziada believe na kia karain aap.. tukka lag bhi sakta hai.. aur nahi bhi lagsakta.. agar lag gaya tou apnay program main pichlay program ka clip chala kar zer e lab muskuaeingay aur woh larki jo inn ke saamnay bethti hai, woh inn ki tareef karegi.. nahi hua tou hamain pata hi nahi chalay ga ke pichlay programs main kia kia ghalat sabit hua..

Iska matlab..review hearing shuru bhi hojaye..tab bhi NAB references aur baqi sab kaam continue rahay ga?

Yes.

 

[Farah Sohail]

Mujhay tou SC part lag rahi hai iss saaray game ka abb.. mujhay iss decision pe bilkul khushi nahi huee.. iss se tou acha tha NS ko disqualify nahi kartay chairman NAB ko hata detey..

Dr Dhabardoos ne tou JIT ke members ke biknay ki khabar bhi di thi.. yeh aisay hi shakhs hain.. inn pe ziada believe na kia karain aap.. tukka lag bhi sakta hai.. aur nahi bhi lagsakta.. agar lag gaya tou apnay program main pichlay program ka clip chala kar zer e lab muskuaeingay aur woh larki jo inn ke saamnay bethti hai, woh inn ki tareef karegi.. nahi hua tou hamain pata hi nahi chalay ga ke pichlay programs main kia kia ghalat sabit hua..

Hmm... Ye tu hai.. Dr dhabardoos par bharosa nahi kiya jaa sakta.... Isi liye poocha ke kisi ke pass koi confirm news hai..Justice Ijazul ahsan ke baaray main?

Verdict itself tu theek hai..agar sahi se implement ho tu.. Agar jaisy JIT ke member select kiye thay aur unki monitoring ki thee..waisy hi monitoring ab bhi kartay tu Ch NAB ke hotay huay bhi kaam hosakta tha..jaisy JIT ne kiya.. Lekin saara masla yehi hai ke abhi tak monitoring shuru kiun nahi hui? Kahan hain Justice Ijazul Ahsan? Koi tu pata karay ..ke woh kahan hain? @Realistic Change

Yes.

Hmm good..if tht is the case..

Even Saad Rasool was saying tht its unlikely tht SC will stay the monitoring proceedings ....though it can still do, if it wants .....but unlikely..

 

[The Accountant]

@PakSword @Realistic Change @Farah Sohail @Zibago @QatariPrince @El Sidd

Guys hold on your horses and calm down ... Lets take a deep breath and take back seat and analzye the situation ...

What you guys were thinking ... this Ashrafiya will not fight back and they will give up this gold mine so easily ... We always knew it was only the first little step in the right direction and our destination is far far away ...

decades of wrong cannot be corrected in few years by one single department ... Now whatever these political parties were doing it was always expected and bureaucracy was always expected to support these political parties as they are equally corrupt and beneficiary of the system ... Now, lets sit back and place yourself on the two positions,,, at the position of Supreme court judges and at the position of General Bajwa ...

NS want to pretend that all of this is being done by the establishment and they are doing their best to drag establishment, they are even looking for Marshal law so that they can get public sympathy and prove that all of this is being done by the establishment and they are innocent ... now, what should you do in place of Bjawa ... My plan would have been to keep myself as much distant as possible and ignore all the comments, however, keep on giving signals to the positive development in institutions, like armed forces speeches on 14th August ... they clearly showed their trust on SC and constitution and hence providing a confidence to SC ...

On part of SC , we must understand the game plan is to demean SC and to drag them everywhere and show to the people that SC is impartial so what should Supreme court be doing ,,, just take a back seat and let the dust settle down, it is a big mafia and few people of one department cannot take head on against everyone simultaneously ... Furthermore, it is all about to set the process right ... So it must have been very easy for them to remove Chairman NAB, but who will appoint next chairman NAB? Khaqan Abbasi ? so he will bring a person worst than current ones ... So I would be in place of these judges ,I would have been using back doors to push NAB,, I am sure NAB is being pushed from backdoors to expedite the reference ... References matter is already there ,,, it is to be based on JIT report so what SC needs to do ,, once the references are filed they need to compare it with JIT report and can order to insert any missing points ....

Key role here is of IK and Shiekh Rasheed, they have to keep the hopes high and keep this matter alive ... Remember the most important thing is to set the process right and to establish long term checks and balances and not just to remove NS ...

This process cannot be stopped not at any cost and we will not let it ... We will fight ,,, kindly don't lose the hope ,,, Battle number 2 is about to begun and we need to show consistency ... @Arsalan Need your help here ...

 

[El Sidd]

@PakSword @Realistic Change @Farah Sohail @Zibago @QatariPrince @El Sidd

Guys hold on your horses and calm down ... Lets take a deep breath and take back seat and analzye the situation ...

What you guys were thinking ... this Ashrafiya will not fight back and they will give up this gold mine so easily ... We always knew it was only the first little step in the right direction and our destination is far far away ...

decades of wrong cannot be corrected in few years by one single department ... Now whatever these political parties were doing it was always expected and bureaucracy was always expected to support these political parties as they are equally corrupt and beneficiary of the system ... Now, lets sit back and place yourself on the two positions,,, at the position of Supreme court judges and at the position of General Bajwa ...

NS want to pretend that all of this is being done by the establishment and they are doing their best to drag establishment, they are even looking for Marshal law so that they can get public sympathy and prove that all of this is being done by the establishment and they are innocent ... now, what should you do in place of Bjawa ... My plan would have been to keep myself as much distant as possible and ignore all the comments, however, keep on giving signals to the positive development in institutions, like armed forces speeches on 14th August ... they clearly showed their trust on SC and constitution and hence providing a confidence to SC ...

On part of SC , we must understand the game plan is to demean SC and to drag them everywhere and show to the people that SC is impartial so what should Supreme court be doing ,,, just take a back seat and let the dust settle down, it is a big mafia and few people of one department cannot take head on against everyone simultaneously ... Furthermore, it is all about to set the process right ... So it must have been very easy for them to remove Chairman NAB, but who will appoint next chairman NAB? Khaqan Abbasi ? so he will bring a person worst than current ones ... So I would be in place of these judges ,I would have been using back doors to push NAB,, I am sure NAB is being pushed from backdoors to expedite the reference ... References matter is already there ,,, it is to be based on JIT report so what SC needs to do ,, once the references are filed they need to compare it with JIT report and can order to insert any missing points ....

Key role here is of IK and Shiekh Rasheed, they have to keep the hopes high and keep this matter alive ... Remember the most important thing is to set the process right and to establish long term checks and balances and not just to remove NS ...

This process cannot be stopped not at any cost and we will not let it ... We will fight ,,, kindly don't lose the hope ,,, Battle number 2 is about to begun and we need to show consistency ... @Arsalan Need your help here ...

The system does not allow. Too many loopholes.