Panama Case - Post Verdict Discussion and Updates

[Guvera]

I agree..not Nawaz....but Maryam will still be around her 50s after 3-4 yrs.. She can return with help of international establishment, after few yrs..just like NRO happened..with help of US/UK... Maryam will suit interrnational establishment......With international backing/funding/lobbying. ...she can return with even more venom..if NAB references dont reach a logical conclusion... Once she returns..then splinter groups can still join her..like most PML Q ppl joined Nawaz again... I hope i am wrong though..but this can happen again...

Most unlikely !

 

[El_Swordsmen]

Yah but after all these detailed explanation i wud still ask "Akhir monitoring judge apna kaam kab karengay......akhir ijaz ul hasan kar kia rahay hain ?

Sir did you & @Farah Sohail switched accounts .... subha sy 3 baar pooch chukay ho ... usually ye sawal unhi ka hota hai

 

[Verve]

safaya is not that easy.... when you go after land mafias you basically are moving towards either point of no return or NRO

Is there anything that's easy in life? Humans have chances to choose the right path and when there are no chances left, change is forced upon one way or another.

Unwillingly being part and pawns of the unseen design/plan is what's happening. It is amazing, the way I see it.

 

[El Sidd]

Is there anything that's easy in life? Humans have chances to choose the right path and when there are no chances left, change is forced upon one way or another.

Unwillingly being part and pawns of the unseen design/plan is what's happening. It is amazing, the way I see it.

yeah i know what you mean but you do realize if we decide to go for complete safaya we have to live through an artificial bankruptcy in Pakistan.... ghareeb ko kitna peesoge

war of a thousand cuts start kar rakhi hai.... and i prefer a single slash

 

[Arsalan]

safaya is not that easy.... when you go after land mafias you basically are moving towards either point of no return or NRO

EXACTLY!
It is not that easy and no one should be expecting it to happen over a month bahi!

 

[El Sidd]

EXACTLY!
It is not that easy and no one should be expecting it to happen over a month bahi!

sir masla ye hai kay ye mauqa apko har 6 mahinay me plate per rakh kar diya jata hai
koi himmat nahi karta koi niyyat nahi rakhta....
system kay pallay barhe huay judge ho ya politician ya bureaucrat inse nahi hosakta ye kaam.
ye point hay mera or ab jabke mansha or riaz or muneer ko beech me le aye ho to ab na awaam kuch kr sakti hai na politician na army....
ghoom phir kay ek nanni munni jaan SC ki bach gayi hai....usko ghanta roz bajate raho truck ki batti ki tarha...aaj nahi to 10 saal baad mil jaega iska phal...filwaqt to na mumkin hi samjhen han agar koi bahar se game shuru hogayi to phir jungle ka qanoon lag jaega yahan rangers pehle hi hata di gayi hai phir kaato maro maaro chalega

 

[Verve]

yeah i know what you mean but you do realize if we decide to go for complete safaya we have to live through an artificial bankruptcy in Pakistan.... ghareeb ko kitna peesoge

war of a thousand cuts start kar rakhi hai.... and i prefer a single slash

Who are we to decide upon complete safaya anyways? Freewill is freewill to one extent, only.

And we really don't know what's around the corner anyways. At the brink of financial collapse one day, and saved the next day by an unexpected event/someone/something. Don't we see that in our personal lives too?

 

[El Sidd]

Who are we to decide upon complete safaya anyways? Freewill is freewill to one extent, only.

And we really don't know what's around the corner anyways. At the brink of financial collapse one day, and saved the next day by an unexpected event/someone/something. Don't we see that in our personal lives too?

that is the point.....we the people are just kashti kay sawaar... when this attitude goes away phir hojaega safaya

 

[Arsalan]

sir masla ye hai kay ye mauqa apko har 6 mahinay me plate per rakh kar diya jata hai
koi himmat nahi karta koi niyyat nahi rakhta....
system kay pallay barhe huay judge ho ya politician ya bureaucrat inse nahi hosakta ye kaam.
ye point hay mera or ab jabke mansha or riaz or muneer ko beech me le aye ho to ab na awaam kuch kr sakti hai na politician na army....
ghoom phir kay ek nanni munni jaan SC ki bach gayi hai....usko ghanta roz bajate raho truck ki batti ki tarha...aaj nahi to 10 saal baad mil jaega iska phal...filwaqt to na mumkin hi samjhen han agar koi bahar se game shuru hogayi to phir jungle ka qanoon lag jaega yahan rangers pehle hi hata di gayi hai phir kaato maro maaro chalega

Koi sa kya muraad ha? Awam ya idaray?

Himaat krna kis ko kahty hein? Sarkon pa neklny ko aur bagawat krny ko?

What do you say?

 

[Verve]

sir masla ye hai kay ye mauqa apko har 6 mahinay me plate per rakh kar diya jata hai
koi himmat nahi karta koi niyyat nahi rakhta....
system kay pallay barhe huay judge ho ya politician ya bureaucrat inse nahi hosakta ye kaam.
ye point hay mera or ab jabke mansha or riaz or muneer ko beech me le aye ho to ab na awaam kuch kr sakti hai na politician na army....
ghoom phir kay ek nanni munni jaan SC ki bach gayi hai....usko ghanta roz bajate raho truck ki batti ki tarha...aaj nahi to 10 saal baad mil jaega iska phal...filwaqt to na mumkin hi samjhen han agar koi bahar se game shuru hogayi to phir jungle ka qanoon lag jaega yahan rangers pehle hi hata di gayi hai phir kaato maro maaro chalega

Na kartay kartay bhi wo hojata hai ... The harder some try to keep the dying system alive on the machine, the faster it's dying.

 

[El Sidd]

Koi sa kya muraad ha? Awam ya idaray?

Himaat krna kis ko kahty hein? Sarkon pa neklny ko aur bagawat krny ko?

What do you say?

awaam....

idaray to pakoray khanay or bechne me lagay hain....

himmat karna isko kehte hai kay qanoon ki paasdari kare jo sakat rakhta hon.... ek SHO ke level ka case hai jisme logon ne army se lekar amreeka ko beech me daal dia hai

Na kartay kartay bhi wo hojata hai ... The harder some try to keep the dying system alive on the machine, the faster it's dying.

ye system chala gaya to naya system kon laega? sir jaado ki jhappi wala scene nahi hai.... idaray apas me takra rahe hain ap ne isse dinner table conversation banaya hua hai... no offense buddy

 

[Arsalan]

awaam....

idaray to pakoray khanay or bechne me lagay hain....

himmat karna isko kehte hai kay qanoon ki paasdari kare jo sakat rakhta hon.... ek SHO ke level ka case hai jisme logon ne army se lekar amreeka ko beech me daal dia hai

SO awaam qanoon ke pasdari kry is that what you mean. They FOLLOW and obey they LAW. NOT enforce it. RIght?
Or are you saying that public should enforce the law?

 

[El Sidd]

SO awaam qanoon ke pasdari kry is that what you mean. They FOLLOW and obey they LAW. NOT enforce it. RIght?
Or are you saying that public should enforce the law?

sir mene aaj office atay huay dekha kay kahi accident hogaya waha log police bula kar police ko samjha rahe they kay ye law hai or aap ye karen.....
awaam includes every citizen of Pakistan

 

[Arsalan]

sir mene aaj office atay huay dekha kay kahi accident hogaya waha log police bula kar police ko samjha rahe they kay ye law hai or aap ye karen.....
awaam includes every citizen of Pakistan

Mein na aaj office jaaty huy dekha ka sarak pa bara rash tha aaj aur asmaan saaf tha!

but that is irrelevant.

The point is, you want the awaam to ENFORE the law or to OBEY it?
You include policemen and all others in public (and you are right) however what you do not understand an honest police man at an individual level is not what can bring a change and ALL of them cannot be expected to be honest all of a sudden to do something meaningful.

Jahan uper sa neechy tk sara nizaam he bigra hua hoo waha nizaam sahi krny ka lea bhe uper sa nechy tk kaam krna ho ga! Ideally, we should have started from bottom but we are at least trying to start from top! That must account for something.

 

[El Sidd]

Mein na aaj office jaaty huy dekha ka sarak pa bara rash tha aaj aur asmaan saaf tha!

but that is irrelevant.

The point is, you want the awaam to ENFORE the law or to OBEY it?
You include policemen and all others in public (and you are right) however what you do not understand an honest police man at an individual level is not what can bring a change and ALL of them cannot be expected to be honest all of a sudden to do something meaningful.

Jahan uper sa neechy tk sara nizaam he bigra hua hoo waha nizaam sahi krny ka lea bhe uper sa nechy tk kaam krna ho ga! Ideally, we should have started from bottom but we are at least trying to start from top! That must account for something.

sir bottom wale log majboor hain.. apki daleel wese hi hoti hai jese log kehte hai kay murghi pehle ayi ya anda.

bhai jo bhi aya...ab to dikh raha hai na...

Obey the law - enforce nahi kr sakte jab tak idaray ICU me hain