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Palestinian Statehood: The UNSC Vote Count

@Gounder,
Liberman will not do anything against India; especially considering that most of the world is supportive of the Pal cause. Israel could ill-afford to lose a crucial friend (and a strong, hard-cash customer).
Don't discount the significance of this vote or non-vote; the Gulf countries, by the directive of the Saudi king, can easily expel Indians and replace them with Chinese, Bangladeshi, Phillipinos etc.
Don't read too much into the OIC stance on Kashmir. They gather together and issue statements and go home.
 
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WTF is wrong with this Indian leadership !!!

What have the Palestinians (however justified their cause is) got to offer to us in scientific,military,economic terms ?

I guess if the Indian leadership is to support Palestine over Israel it must get a written letter of support from Palestine leaders that they will recognize Kashmir as an integral part of India and do the same in future OIC/Arab League meetings. Also they must ask the Palestinian state to disarm Hamas which carries out terrorist attacks in Israel.

Anything short of that is monumental stupidity.


Man....you are so selfish and short sighted...i really hope you never get into any diplomatic stuff......God bless India in that case......
 
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@Gounder,
Liberman will not do anything against India; especially considering that most of the world is supportive of the Pal cause. Israel could ill-afford to lose a crucial friend (and a strong, hard-cash customer).
Don't discount the significance of this vote or non-vote; the Gulf countries, by the directive of the Saudi king, can easily expel Indians and replace them with Chinese, Bangladeshi, Phillipinos etc.
Don't read too much into the OIC stance on Kashmir. They gather together and issue statements and go home.

Mate I have been to the Gulf to see how the Gulf Arabs treat the Palestinians like second grade human beings. These are just political rhetoric on the part of the Arabs and they dont have the spine to do anything of the sort you said. But Israel will do if things go beyond a point.

Yeah I agree that OIC is nothing but a chai-biskoot session once (or twice ?) a year. But these are just symbolic things and I would be happy if even such a symbolic guarentee is obtained in lieu of India supporting Palestine.

A good business is one in which both the customer and seller are happy.

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Man....you are so selfish and short sighted...i really hope you never get into any diplomatic stuff......God bless India in that case......

Yeah I am selfish for my country and extremely so. Unlike you I dont care what happens in Chechnya or Kosovo or any damn part of the world that is not a part of my country.

If tomorrow palestine becomes a major power and becomes more influential than Israel do you think I will hesitate once in supporting them over Israel ?
 
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WTF is wrong with this Indian leadership !!!

What have the Palestinians (however justified their cause is) got to offer to us in scientific,military,economic terms ?

I guess if the Indian leadership is to support Palestine over Israel it must get a written letter of support from Palestine leaders that they will recognize Kashmir as an integral part of India and do the same in future OIC/Arab League meetings. Also they must ask the Palestinian state to disarm Hamas which carries out terrorist attacks in Israel.

Anything short of that is monumental stupidity.

India has already recognized Palestine back in 1988. This is a continuation of a police that we have already in place. There is no CHANGE in the policy. Israel is well aware of this and did not even ask India otherwise.

And during the BJP led NDA as well this was clearly reiterated.
 
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@Gounder,
Indian stance is based on cold, calculated interests! Nothing less than that.

Actually, India supported the Palestinians even when it WAS NOT directly beneficial. This began right from the days prior to independence and after where they opposed the division of land on the basis of religion. Remember the days of secular leftist PLO? India was supportive of the PLO and recognized it as a representative of the Palestinians. This is despite the fact that in the 60s, 70s and 80s most Arab countries like Jordan, Saudi Arabia and even Egypt were undermining Arafat because of his leftist leanings. Not to mention how Brigadier Zia led the assault against PLO supporters in Jordan in the Black September raid. Black September in Jordan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

It was only in the 1990s that relations with Israel were established and a strong defense/intel partnership built up post Kargil war and continued terrorists attacks. Unlike say Turkey which had strong defence ties with Israel for the past couple of decades.

Even now, supporting the Palestinian state hood bid will not directly change anything on the ground. Nor will India directly accrue any material benefit. But ofcourse this will definitely improve and maintain the soft power standing and spread of India not just in the ME but around the world.

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Read more: Why Palestinian Leaders are Doing Obama a Favor By Taking Their U.N. Bid to the Security Council - Global Spin - TIME.com

[/COLOR]Friday's announcement by President Mahmoud Abbas that he will next week present the U.N. Security Council with a formal request for U.N. membership of a sovereign state of Palestine may be better news for Israel and the U.S. than it might appear, even if it confirms the failure of the Obama Administration to stop the move.

Conventional wisdom on the Palestinian move for U.N. action on the stalled peace process holds that seeking Security Council authorization of full U.N. membership creates a bigger headache for the Obama Administration than if the Palestinians instead heed European pleas to settle for a lesser option -- asking the General Assembly to upgrade the status of the Palestinian entity to something between an observer and a member (or, as the media loves to say, something equivalent to the status of the Vatican, without pausing to consider quite how ridiculous that sounds). The reason the Security Council approach is deemed more challenging for President Obama is that it would osentsibly force the U.S. to isolate itself internationally -- and squander any Arab-public goodwill earned through helping overthrow Gaddafi -- in order to wield the veto promised to Israel and the bipartisan pro-Israel consensus in Washington.

But the conventional wisdom has it wrong, suggests former Israeli peace negotiator Daniel Levy, now at the New America Foundation. An approach to the Security Council will actually reduce next week's much-hyped showdown during the General Assembly session in New York to little more than a series of predictable speeches. Going the Security Council route makes any action very unlikely. That's because the first response to a Security Council request to admit Palestine as a U.N. member state would that familiar Washington ritual: Setting up a committee.

"Any application would almost certainly have to be considered by a technical committee of the whole, and that could take time," warns Levy. The process would almost certainly be drawn out well beyond the General Assembly session. So, timing alone would likely deny the Palestinians the option of responding to a U.S. veto at the Security Council by immediately taking the issue to the General Assembly, where it would win overwhelming backing -- albeit for the lesser, but nonetheless potentially important goal of upgrading Palestinian status and codifying the international consensus on terms for a two-state solution, which Israel's government continues to reject.

By going to Security Council in the same week that the General Assembly is in session, in fact, the Palestinians "might even find their entire U.N. moment sidestepped by extended committee deliberation."

Even in the less probable event that a Security Council application for membership was brought to a rapid vote, the U.S. is unlikely to be the only country withholding its support: Germany has already indicated that it won't support a recognition of full member status now, nor is Britain likely to do so, while the votes of France and Colombia might be in play and the U.S. might even hope to persuade Nigeria and Gabon to abstain. By going to the Security Council without first demonstrating their overwhelming support in the General Assembly, the Palestinians are therefore taking a risk. (And, of course, some of the Europeans that won't vote in favor of full membership at the Security Council are trying to persuade Abbas to ask for something less at the General Assembly, for which they could vote without fearing they'd create an a confrontation over Israel's continued occupation of the territory of what had now been recognized as a sovereign Palestinian state.)

In short, despite all the buildup, next week's "showdown" in New York could turn out to be a damp squib if the Palestinians approach the Security Council and, as is likely, get no immediate answer. On the other hand, getting an overwhelming majority of the General Assembly to recognize the contours of a Palestinian state as being based on the 1967 lines, with East Jerusalem as its capital, would strengthen the Palestinians' hand in future negotiations with Israel, even if the Assembly cannot confer full U.N. membership. That would provide a significant counterbalance to the advantages the Israelis enjoy by having peace talks exclusively mediated by Washington, where Israel's overwhelming advantage in domestic political support effectively precludes even-handedness.

But although matters remain fluid and very much in play, Friday's announcement suggests that Abbas is taking the largely symbolic route of applying for full membership, knowing that the outcome will be unfavorable but not having availed himself of an opportunity to expand Palestinian' leverage in a battle to end the occupation. Indeed, argues Levy, the Security Council route is almost certain to leave the status quo untouched. Abbas will go back to his people and tell them he won a moral victory; Netanyahu will tell Israelis that he, in fact, was the moral victor, and reality on the ground in the West Bank will remain entirely unchanged. As Levy puts it, "The journey back to the golden cage of Palestinian Authority co-habitation with Israeli occupation is a shorter one from the Security Council than it is from the General Assembly."
 
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Why take the risk ?

Settle down.

Israel has precious few friends in the region. They cannot afford to lose India as a friend. Note that their other major military ally -- South Africa -- is likely to vote for the Palestinians also.

What do you think they will do instead? Start arming Pakistan and Bangladesh?
 
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I am completely with gounder on this,Israel supports us every time and this ungrateful government ditching them in the time of need !

may this government fall and we have elections sooner than scheduled year !

what else can we expect from this(certain community's) a*s licking government,its a political stunt to woo muslims,elections are there in UP next year !
 
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India has always supported the Palestinian cause. Palestinians deserve a homeland so they can live with dignity. Whether this statehood will come about any time soon or how viable it will be once it comes about are separate issues. What is indisputable is that the Palestinians deserve an independent state. The GOI has always supported this and has been periodically reiterating its stand. Israel is a friend, but friendship with Israel and recognition of the just cause of the Palestinians are not mutually incompatible positions. Yes, there are problem areas that need to be resolved. What to do with the Jewish settlers in the West Bank? What will be the status of Jerusalem? These are thorny issues for the international community to sort out. However, regarding the core principle of statehood to Palestine, there is no doubt.
 
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I am completely with gounder on this,Israel supports us every time and this ungrateful government ditching them in the time of need !

may this government fall and we have elections sooner than scheduled year !

what else can we expect from this(certain community's) a*s licking government,its a political stunt to woo muslims,elections are there in UP next year !

this reform is not going to pass,so wats wrong in voting at other side??
 
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I am completely with gounder on this,Israel supports us every time and this ungrateful government ditching them in the time of need !

may this government fall and we have elections sooner than scheduled year !

what else can we expect from this(certain community's) a*s licking government,its a political stunt to woo muslims,elections are there in UP next year !

Wrong again, like I mentioned in my previous post. India has recognized Palestine in 1988. It is the SAME policy and unchanged. What electioneering was going on in 1988? Did the Palestinians plan their statehood bid to time with the UP elections? Here is another tidbit, even if the NDA govt. was in power they would have voted the same way. Why because they have reiterated this back when they were in power as well despite improving relations with Israel.

Please stop seeing everything like a conspiracy.
 
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WTF is wrong with this Indian leadership !!!

What have the Palestinians (however justified their cause is) got to offer to us in scientific,military,economic terms ?

I guess if the Indian leadership is to support Palestine over Israel it must get a written letter of support from Palestine leaders that they will recognize Kashmir as an integral part of India and do the same in future OIC/Arab League meetings. Also they must ask the Palestinian state to disarm Hamas which carries out terrorist attacks in Israel.

Anything short of that is monumental stupidity.

Two words "Satyameve Jayete". It doesn't matter that they cannot give us anything we have to be on the side of the truth.

I have been recently reading the history of the creation of Israel. These people were dispossed of their lands and even now are forced to live like like refugees because they don't have a country of their own.
 
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So there are eight almost-certain votes for a UNSC vote.
I don't know who will be the 9th one, if any. Colombia and/or France?

France?? I don't think so.

Colombia will vote in favor..

Glad to see India taking the right stance.
 
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I am completely with gounder on this,Israel supports us every time and this ungrateful government ditching them in the time of need !

may this government fall and we have elections sooner than scheduled year !

what else can we expect from this(certain community's) a*s licking government,its a political stunt to woo muslims,elections are there in UP next year !

you really need to think before you post . tax that brain of yours . why do you just make statements without finding out the facts or the history ? do a little research and then try to contribute with a level head rather then an emotional outburst . also clean up your language , you may feel good and think it helps your argument but in reality makes you sound like a spoilt child.
 
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Palistina has no chance to thrive . I don't know why people are pushing for a country anyone can see is going to fail for various reasons.
 
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