Palestinian Arab struggle against Arabs

[BLACKEAGLE]

Thank you kindly, but this thread is about Palestinian Arabs and their interactions with other Arabs. There is another thread for you to express your visceral hatred of Zionists, the "Palestinian Struggle against Israel" thread the mods have stuck in the "Strategic & Geopolitical Issues" forum.

I don't hate them, I extremely contempt them, it's like they carry genes for lying and deceiving, and they are known for that. However, I refer you to Skorpian's post to show you how that:

Great, so that's how it is, displace the Palestinians, make them refugees then blame those who don't take them as refugees but don't blame those who made them refugees in the first place...

Jews didn't make the video I posted, nor do I consider it pro-Zionist. So if you are talking about something else, please provide proof - otherwise, your words are merely an empty mantra, something to hold people back from recognizing reality.

Don't play dumb, we two know what you are doing here, your post threads like this one just to delude people, you don't have the higher ground to cry over Palestinians "mistreatment", for god's sake, you are the reason of all their suffering, get the phuck out of their country and end their suffering.

Ah, now we get to the nubbin that worries you: allegations that Jordan currently mistreats Palestinian Arabs from Syria. That would indeed be a good addition to this thread.

Now who is exaggerating?

Plz enlighten me, tell me how many Palestinians live outside Palestine?
And for the first part, that's your true nature which I explained earlier, you would again cry over Palestinians while...I don't know what to say, I am disgusted.

 

[Solomon2]

Immobile Palestinians: ongoing plight of Gazans in Jordan
by Oroub El Abed

[From the August, 2006 issue: Palestinian displacement a case apart?]

Jordan’s decision not to legally integrate ex-residents of Gaza has led to long-term neglect of their civil rights and denied them opportunities to secure decent livelihoods. Statelessness leaves many in a permanent state of legal limbo.

Palestinians who arrived in Jordan in the immediate aftermath of the Nakba (catastrophe) of 1948 were granted Jordanian citizenship. As Jordanian citizens they and their descendants hold passports valid for five years, enjoy the right to vote and have full access to government services. Each muwatin (citizen) has a ‘national number’, a civil registration number accorded at birth or upon naturalisation which is recorded on national ID cards and on the family registration books which are issued only to citizens.

Gazans in Jordan are doubly-displaced refugees. Forced to move to Gaza as a result of the 1948 war, they fled once more when Israel occupied the Gaza Strip in 1967. Guesstimates of the number of Gazans in Jordan range between 118,000 and 150,000. A small number have entered the Jordanian citizenship scheme via naturalisation or have had the financial resources to acquire citizenship. Many Gazan non-citizens live in Amman and other Jordanian cities. A significant proportion live in two camps run by UNRWA. Most of the 30,000 residents of Gaza (also known as Jerash) camp are Gazans while a few thousand of the residents of Hittin camp are 1948 refugees, subsequently displaced from Gaza.

On arrival in Jordan, the ex-residents of Gaza were granted temporary Jordanian passports valid for two years but were not granted citizenship rights. The so-called ‘passport’ serves two purposes: it indicates to the Jordanian authorities that the Gazans and their dependents are temporary residents in Jordan and provides them with an international travel document (‘laissez-passer’) potentially enabling access to countries other than Jordan.

Gazans are treated by Jordan as Arab foreigners and pay taxes whenever they interact with the state. The ‘passport’ they hold is in effect simply a residency permit, the renewal of which is left to the discretion of the state. Gazan men cannot renew their residence without clearance from the Jordanian security authorities. Their administrative vulnerability can lead to curtailment of rights to political participation and membership of trade unions enjoyed by Jordanian citizens. Some who have been active in Islamic political groups have found themselves stripped of ID.

The ‘passport’ – which is expensive – has value as an international travel document only if receiving states permit the entry of temporary passport holders. Few countries admit them, because they have no official proof of citizenship. Syria, Lebanon, Egypt and some Gulf States are among those who refuse to honour the document. Any delay in renewing the temporary passport or in applying for one puts an individual at risk of becoming undocumented.

As noted in earlier articles, Arab countries refuse to grant Palestinians citizenship in order to preserve their Palestinian identity and to remind Israel of its responsibility towards those it expelled. Jordan, however, stands out by view of the fact that the majority of Palestinians living within the borders of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan were granted fully-fledged citizenship when Jordan formally annexed the West Bank in 1950. The Gazans, perceived and labelled by law and administrative practice as Palestinians, are therefore an anomaly.

UNRWA provides Gazan refugees with relief, health and education services but cannot meet all their needs. Since 1986 it has been harder for Gazans to compete for places in Jordanian universities as they must secure places within the 5% quota reserved for Arab foreigners. Entry to professions is blocked as Gazans are not allowed to register with professional societies/unions or
to establish their own offices, firms or clinics. Only those with security clearance can gain private sector employment. Those who work in the informal sector are vulnerable to being exploited. Many Gazans are keen to leave Jordan to seek employment elsewhere but are constrained from doing so. Some have attempted to leave clandestinely.

Press articles indicated in 2005 that the Arab League and the Palestinian Authority have explored the possibility of facilitating the return of Gazans to their first place of exile, the Gaza Strip. However, with Gaza besieged and attacked by Israel and in the grip of a worsening humanitarian
crisis, this is not a viable option.

Rami was brought up in Jordan, studied law and worked for over two years for a law firm in the West Bank city of Hebron. Lacking a West Bank Israeli-issued ID, he was forced to return to Jordan every three months to renew his visitor’s visa. Due to the high cost of living he returned to Jordan in 1999 only to find himself stripped of his Jordanian temporary passport. Now without any form of identity, he notes that “being Gazan in Jordan is like being guilty.”

In Jordan, as in most other MiddleEastern countries, women cannot pass on their citizenship to their children. Neither is citizenship granted to a child born on the territory of a state from a foreign father. Married women are forced to depend on their fathers or husbands to process documents related to their children. Because of this patriarchal conception of citizenship, children of Jordanian women married to Gazans are at risk of being left without a legal existence.

Heba, a Jordanian national, married Ahmad, a Gazan with an Egyptian travel document. A year after their marriage, Ahmad was arrested for being in Jordan without a residence permit. Deported from Jordan, he was refused re-entry to Egypt and ended up in Sudan. Heba had a child but has been unable to register the birth due to the absence of her husband. She cannot afford to go to Sudan to be with him.

Over half a century has passed since a British colonial officer noted that he could not “see that there is any hope of finding a suitable home for the unfortunate Gaza refugees”.[SUP]1[/SUP] Resolutions of the UN, protocols of the Arab League and expressions of concern from the international community have led to nothing. Until such time as a Palestinian state is established, stateless Gazans should not be forced to live in limbo, left outside conventions which should ensure their human and civil rights.

Oroub El Abed is an Amman-based independent researcher working on Middle East refugee issues. Email: oroub@go.com.jo


1. Public Records Office, Foreign Office, Correspondence No 119/3/9, from T C Rapp of the British Middle east Office to J Creswell, British Embassy, Cairo, 1952.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

BS, they have special IDs called Yellow cards to ease their life in Jordan, I believe giving Palestinians citizenship will empty Palestine from it's native people and turn Jordan into an alternative Palestine and that's what Israel has been trying to do.

 

[hussain0216]

No muslim or arab land should give the palestinians citizenship, their land is occupied palestine

But care must be taken to help them and make their lives easiet

It took over 100 years to get palestine from the crusaders and muslims did not give up or ever let the crusaders keep the land, israel has only occupied it for 64

Keep the pressure on
Keep the population in israel and palestine growing
Keep the anger and hatred of israel/jews strong and spread it to 1.6 billiin muslims and growing and ensure the children know what the jews have done

Power comes and goes, and when it comes back to the muslims, the jews will know about it

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

No muslim or arab land should give the palestinians citizenship, their land is occupied palestine

But care must be taken to help them and make their lives easiet

It took over 100 years to get palestine from the crusaders and muslims did not give up or ever let the crusaders keep the land, israel has only occupied it for 64

Keep the pressure on
Keep the population in israel and palestine growing
Keep the anger and hatred of israel/jews strong and spread it to 1.6 billiin muslims and growing and ensure the children know what the jews have done

Power comes and goes, and when it comes back to the muslims, the jews will know about it

They will be thrown into the see, rootless people. As I always say, USA will decline one day, until then no one will come for their help.

 

[Banana]

No muslim or arab land should give the palestinians citizenship, their land is occupied palestine

But care must be taken to help them and make their lives easiet

It took over 100 years to get palestine from the crusaders and muslims did not give up or ever let the crusaders keep the land, israel has only occupied it for 64

Keep the pressure on
Keep the population in israel and palestine growing
Keep the anger and hatred of israel/jews strong and spread it to 1.6 billiin muslims and growing and ensure the children know what the jews have done

Power comes and goes, and when it comes back to the muslims, the jews will know about it

Why he is asking for citizenship to a Non-Muslim state?

Why won’t you give Hazaras asylum, Australia? – The Express Tribune Blog

 

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[somebozo]

The palestinians are refugees because of the jews

The other arabs should help them more and treat them better but not settle them

They have a home, its called palestine

Israel is a cancer, hitler knew this, he tried to save humanity by eradicating them

Palestinians must not give up

It was Hitler who struck the deal of mass exporting Jews to Palestine, have their wealth deposited in a special bank account and use it to purchase and supply German made farm and construction machine to the newly emigrated Jews in Palestine.

BS, they have special IDs called Yellow cards to ease their life in Jordan, I believe giving Palestinians citizenship will empty Palestine from it's native people and turn Jordan into an alternative Palestine and that's what Israel has been trying to do.

Yellow card or Green cards, that still does not equal citizenship. Arabs have a certain rotten mentality about purity and land rights as such they lock everyone out of their countries. As a matter of fact no Arab country has a migration and naturalization policy or law in place. Beside that, dont forget Yellow was the color Nazi's forced Jews to wear and someone had a very deep sense of twisted humor at the Jordanian ministry when selecting the color of cards. Arabs have a certain taste for despising crimes by forigen forces and blaming them for everything ill while seeing their Arab oppressors as saints. Tell me how many Jordanian born Pallys give a flying f_ck about a land called Palestine and would leave their well settled life to move to their ancient homeland??

 

[junaid1]

The palestinians are refugees because of the jews

The other arabs should help them more and treat them better but not settle them

They have a home, its called palestine

Israel is a cancer, hitler knew this, he tried to save humanity by eradicating them

Palestinians must not give up

Hitler was always right about jews .We must destroy the roots of cause ,not just cause .Jews must be destroyed for the sake of world peace .

Letters from Hitler about jews in Urdu :

 

[Solomon2]

Syrian Rebels Hang 'Palestinian Refugees' who Aided Assad
Syrian rebels hanged two Arabs registered as “Palestinian refugees” on suspicion of aiding the Assad, says a rights watchdog.

First Publish: 3/3/2013, 4:15 AM

Residents of the Yarmouk camp in Damascus return to their homes AFP photo


Syrian rebels on Saturday hanged two Arabs registered as “Palestinian refugees” at a camp in Damascus on suspicion of aiding the regime of President Bashar al-Assad, a rights watchdog said, according to AFP.

"Rebels in the Yarmouk camp executed two men accused of cooperating with the regime by identifying targets that were bombed last week," the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said.

"They were hanged from trees in the camp," added the Observatory, which relies on a network of activists and medics on the ground to collect information. It provided a picture illustrating the hangings, reported AFP.

The Observatory says hangings of people suspected of working for the regime have been reported in Hama and Aleppo, but this was the first time that such an execution was announced along with a picture.

Yarmouk is a suburb of Damascus that began as a refugee camp for Arabs who had fled Israel in times of war, and their descendants. It has become a regular site of clashes between pro- and anti-regime supporters.

Yarmouk became a ghost town in December, with some 90 percent of its people having fled the violence. Many of the residents later returned as the fighting died down.

 

[Solomon2]

Over 1000 Palestinians killed in Syria: link

 

[somebozo]

Syrian Rebels Hang 'Palestinian Refugees' who Aided Assad
Syrian rebels hanged two Arabs registered as “Palestinian refugees” on suspicion of aiding the Assad, says a rights watchdog.

First Publish: 3/3/2013, 4:15 AM

Residents of the Yarmouk camp in Damascus return to their homes AFP photo


Syrian rebels on Saturday hanged two Arabs registered as “Palestinian refugees” at a camp in Damascus on suspicion of aiding the regime of President Bashar al-Assad, a rights watchdog said, according to AFP.

"Rebels in the Yarmouk camp executed two men accused of cooperating with the regime by identifying targets that were bombed last week," the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said.

"They were hanged from trees in the camp," added the Observatory, which relies on a network of activists and medics on the ground to collect information. It provided a picture illustrating the hangings, reported AFP.

The Observatory says hangings of people suspected of working for the regime have been reported in Hama and Aleppo, but this was the first time that such an execution was announced along with a picture.

Yarmouk is a suburb of Damascus that began as a refugee camp for Arabs who had fled Israel in times of war, and their descendants. It has become a regular site of clashes between pro- and anti-regime supporters.

Yarmouk became a ghost town in December, with some 90 percent of its people having fled the violence. Many of the residents later returned as the fighting died down.

Pallys have no sense of loyality and roots. They betrayed their own land on the eve of 1948 invasion based in hollow claims and instigation by bunch of incompetent Arab leaders. Rather than holding the ground and fighting against those they consider alien occupiers, they happily fled their homes on promises to return after 10 sometimes days. Hillarious as it gets they thought they were god choosen people or something for which others would send their armies and men at stake. Through out history Pallys have sided with incompetent dictators like Saddam, Assad, Arafat, etc because they happen to pump a lot of money into their bogus cause which is actually for political exploitation rather than any sympathy...therefore the distance between Palestinians and rest of the Arab world just keeps growing wider.

 

[indianpaki]

I hope israel can introduce some human behaviors to these arabs.

Israel pls dont kill them, teach them human behavior.

 

[Solomon2]

End the Arab Boycott of Israel

The Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem.
By ED HUSAIN
Published: March 6, 2013

On Jerusalem’s ancient walls hung old fans that made a rattling, windy noise. There was no money for air-conditioning. The carpet for worshipers was old and ragged. I was inside one of the world’s most significant buildings, but scaffolding and clutter prevented me from seeing the center of the Dome of the Rock.

Water leaks, disheveled shoe shelves, and unclean antique tiles brought a sense of disharmony to Islam’s third most sacred site. No, this was not the fault of the Jews or the West, but we Muslims who claim to fight daily for “liberating Jerusalem” and yet neglect the very heart of this city. Why? And how can this change?

I recently visited Israel and the West Bank for the first time. I am Muslim and in Muslim communities around the world to visit Israel is to support “the Zionist entity” and therefore risk social isolation. Not only is this mind-set outdated, it is self-defeating.

The Arab League began its boycott of Zionist goods back in 1945 and later created a Central Boycott Office to ensure minimal Arab contact with Israel. In reality, the Gulf states and others circumvent this policy, but the Arab and Muslim masses have yet to break free from the mind-set of boycotting all things Israeli.

A prominent cleric, Yusuf al-Qaradawi, in addition to justifying suicide bombings against Israelis, regularly upholds his fatwas urging Muslims to avoid contact with Israel from his Al Jazeera podium. Recent attempts by European Marxist academics to boycott Israel have given support to this counterproductive attitude.

In many mosques and universities this view might bolster the superiority complex of some academics and Muslim clerics. But the main victims of this boycott are not Israelis, but Palestinians. Israel’s economy is booming, while Palestinians languish in abject poverty. The decades-long Arab boycott has failed miserably. An estimated 70 percent of Palestinian families in East Jerusalem live below the poverty line.

Arabs from neighboring countries do not visit Jerusalem because of the boycott, but many Arab men do not have that luxury: They find jobs as cleaners and porters in the city’s hotels, or with Jewish-owned businesses, or travel to the West Bank to find work.

Many people condemn Israeli settlements and call for an economic boycott of their produce, but I saw that it was Arab builders, plumbers, taxi drivers and other workers who maintained Israeli lifestyles. Separatism in the Holy Land has not worked and it is time to end it. How much longer will we punish Palestinians to create a free Palestine?

I abandoned Muslim groupthink and went to Israel because there is a new momentum in the region. Egypt’s former grand mufti, Ali Gomaa, and the prominent scholar Habib Ali al-Jifri, broke ranks with Qaradawi and went to Jerusalem last April. They justified their visit on scriptural grounds, citing the Prophet Muhammad’s encouragement for believers to visit the Holy Land. Their trip was facilitated by Prince Ghazi bin Muhammad bin Talal of Jordan, the principal religious adviser to King Abdullah II.

Muslim leaders in Jerusalem welcomed both men and Palestinian imams called for the end of the Arab boycott on Al Jazeera Arabic and other media outlets. This was a direct challenge to radicals like Qaradawi and his supporters in the Muslim Brotherhood in Cairo and the Islamist party Ennahda in Tunis. Why do they want to continue the boycott?

Turkey’s free-trade agreement with Israel, which is yielding results for both countries, Jordan’s cordial relations with the Jewish state, and the new show of leadership from two prominent scholars shows us that not all Arabs and Muslims are dedicated to confrontation.

President Obama is due to visit Israel and Jordan this month. Talk of renewing peace negotiations is once more in the air, but talks will fail again unless there is a wider change in attitudes. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, for all his faults, is correct in identifying a wider strain of intolerance of Israel. The nations of the Arab Spring cannot be serious about wanting democracy when they are banning their citizens from visiting Muslim (and Jewish and Christian) holy sites.

The voice of the Palestinian imams who want to see an end to the boycott needs to be amplified. Religious leaders at Al Azhar seminary in Egypt or the University of Medina in Saudi Arabia who advocate peace are often ignored by policymakers, even though they have vast popular influence. A peace agreement underwritten by moderate imams like these would have broad political and religious clout.

Without a shift in attitudes, Israel’s security concerns will never be allayed. Humanizing Israel to Arabs — by bringing together America’s Muslim allies, by addressing anti-Semitism in school textbooks and in sermons at mosques, by permitting Arab citizens to visit and trade with Israel — are requisite first steps.

To be credible in Muslim eyes, any peace agreement requires backing from major Sunni powers, including Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Egypt. With Islamist organizations of various hues in power in Ankara, Tunis, Gaza, Cairo and on the rise in Libya, Yemen, Syria and Jordan, the West cannot continue to ignore religious dimensions to the Arab-Israeli conflict.

Unless we tame the Islamist tiger, a decade from now we will look back and lament.

Ed Husain is a senior fellow for Middle Eastern Studies at the Council on Foreign Relations.

Correction: March 8, 2013

An earlier version of a photo caption with this article misstated the location of the Dome of the Rock, a Muslim holy site in Jerusalem. The dome is near the Al Aqsa Mosque, not situated in it.


A version of this op-ed appeared in print on March 7, 2013, in The International Herald Tribune.

 

[Solomon2]

Palestinian Arab death toll in Syria rises above 1000 (Arabic): link