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Pakistan's trade can rise eightfold: World Bank report

The problem is that we aren't France & Germany but Ukraine & Russia. Our narratives will always contradict each others' narrative. They fought for ego, we fought for identity. Pakistan for legtimizing the new identity and India for reviving older one.
Indian Nationalists don't hate Pakistan but they hate India's partition, its causes & its results. Every other hate is secondry.

Similarly, Pakistanis have their own narratives. Second, circumstances are much different with France & Germany.

That is the problem with Indians, they believe that Pakistan was historically part of bharat. Which is incorrect as the old indus valley civilization maps proves that Pakistan was a different entity. India itself was many different nations. The name itself originated from Pakistan. It is same as Germany and France. Ukraine Russia example doesn't fit here at all cuz Russia rules that neighborhood whereas in South Asia both Pakistan and India are regional powers.

Again, it is upto India to reject any peace offers but Pakistan will keep offering from time to time just so the world is on the record that Pakistan is a peace loving nation and India is rejecting any peace move by Pakistan. Feel free to keep rejecting.

As told before, India alone forms 80% economy of South Asia (and I'm not throwing any nationalistic ego here). So, trade isn't going to change much in anyway without India. South Asia doesn't qualify to be a region. It's outskirts of just one substantial country.
If you just wanna avoid India, trading in Southern Asia doesn't make any sense either. Expand network to Oceania & Africa. That'd be better.

That report he mentioned is by World Bank not Pakistan. Indian trade is higher cuz of high population, we all know that. I don't care much about trade with india or for that matter South Asia. Whatever South Asia (excluding Pakistan) produce, China produce in better quality and quantity bringing cost to at least half and China is next door with trade highways connected and getting even stronger. And you are right Pakistan doesn't want any access to tiny south asia nations such as Bangladesh, Bhutan, Nepal, cuz they have nothing special to offer Pakistan and I believe vice versa.

Indian Ego ?? Really ???

But show me anyone responsible (Parliamentarian/Senator or Military leader) from Pakistan who is all for an Independent Kashmir Nation ????

Will you be ready for giving away GB and Azad Kashmir for that purpose ???

I guess never. Just here the consistent stand on this issue from your Ex-PM himself below.


Especially from 1:20.

Regarding trade, it's always Pakistan's wish what is best in their interest. Our Business and revenue hardly affects if we have or don't have any trade with Pakistan. So for us it's just a non issue. :-):-):-)

If GB and Azad Kashmir wants independence, why not?

I know for sure about GB that they doesn't wanna be part of Kashmir conflict and they are pressuring govt and military to grant them provincial status. This is the most common demand there, not independence. The best way to find out is by held in refrendum district by district. Whoever district vote for Pakistan goes to Pakistan, whoever votes independence of Kashmir become part of independent nation of Kashmir and whoever votes india goes to india.
 
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If GB and Azad Kashmir wants independence, why not?

I know for sure about GB that they doesn't wanna be part of Kashmir conflict and they are pressuring govt and military to grant them provincial status. This is the most common demand there, not independence. The best way to find out is by held in refrendum district by district. Whoever district vote for Pakistan goes to Pakistan, whoever votes independence of Kashmir become part of independent nation of Kashmir and whoever votes india goes to india.

It's not your or my wish/words that really matter. Now try and convince your rulers both civil and military to comply with what you said above.

I bet they won't agree with anything other than entire Kashmir being part of Pakistan, nothing else. It's never about the people of Kashmir to begin with for both India and Pakistan from day one. It is the land and the associated natural as well as strategic interest which non of our nations will ever let go. And there is no way anyone in the world can force a solution. If you have the muscle grab it, else forget and let it be as it is. It's really sad but true. :(:(:(
 
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It's not your or my wish/words that really matter. Now try and convince your rulers both civil and military to comply with what you said above.

I bet they won't agree with anything other than entire Kashmir being part of Pakistan, nothing else. It's never about the people of Kashmir to begin with for both India and Pakistan from day one. It is the land and the associated natural as well as strategic interest which non of our nations will ever let go. And there is no way anyone in the world can force a solution. You you have the muscle grab it yet forget and let it be as it is. It's really sad but true. :(:(:(

I do partially agree and will also add that for Pakistan it is a land that was historically always inclined towards Punjab and KPK. Maybe due to it's geographical proximity. If you ask most Pakistanis, they will tell you that they want the solution that is according to wishes of Kashmiris and that is what I've heard Pakistani politicians saying.

As for convincing civil or military of either country, obviously you or I can't do anything.
 
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That is the problem with Indians, they believe that Pakistan was historically part of bharat.
That's the problem with Pakistanis. Just after getting separated you guys went to find another identity to prove yourself another nation.
The Pakistan created by Jinnah collapsed in 1971 and modern Pakistan and Bangladesh are successor states.
As told before your narrative is conflicting,
You can call yourself either Muslims OF India (which implies that you are our guys & girls) or Muslims IN India (which itself raises questions on legitimacy of creation of Pakistan because Islam is an Arabic religion and nothing to do with roots of India).
Read..
History in Service
Which is incorrect as the old indus valley civilization maps proves that Pakistan was a different entity.
That's just a coincidence and actually wrong because Pakistan was created on the basis of Islam, not ethnicity. East Pakistan (now became Bangladesh) which is a part of Gangetic civilization is a proof.
India itself was many different nations.
The name itself originated from Pakistan. It is same as Germany and France.
Those were artificial states within a civilization. Nationalism in Dharmic countries like India, Nepal, China & Japan isn't like Abrahamic one where "God" creates country. Many of us are technically atheists (Hinduism besides Sanatan community is all atheist).
Divided European countries with same roots are artificial but a United Europe is legitimate, United Africa is real Nation & Persia, India, United Arabia, China & Japan are as whole complete civilizations.
Germany & France were not a result of bloody partition either. They are two kings fighting for glory within a civilization.
Ukraine Russia example doesn't fit here at all cuz Russia rules that neighborhood whereas in South Asia both Pakistan and India are regional powers.
Ukraine & Russia have bilateral conflicts so are Pakistan & India.
Russia & India have often direct political & military interventions in their respective regions, Ukraine & Pakistan don't. The actual Indian Ocean Region that is subcontinent, Oceania, Eastern Africa & Dragon's tail ("India superior", name of region) is dominated by India.

Even Ukraine had nuclear weapons and is a space power.
Pakistan is second runner up after India in a very small section of the Indian Ocean Region. It will be matched & even trumped if compared with other countries of region.

Also, gap of power matters more than rank of power. Australia is also called regional power in its subregion because its only substantial country in that small sub region just like India in South Asia putting both India & Australia in same category. But in case of war between India & Australia, Australia will be speaking Hindi in less than one year.
Similarly, India's large size & armed forces provides it advantage over UK, France, Germany & Japan just like Soviets had in WW2 and makes it only superseded by US, Russia or China.
But in case India undergoes a war with US, Russia or China, India will be screwed. Because gap of power between India & these countries is high yet!

India could multiply its economy to be on top or break into small pieces & its dreams could shatter creating more narratives like Pakistan.
Again, no nationalistic sh*t because you or me don't decide which country we are to be born. Be rational instead of defending. Never be "proud" of your nation wherever you are born, just feel "lucky" at best.

Again, it is upto India to reject any peace offers but Pakistan will keep offering from time to time just so the world is on the record that Pakistan is a peace loving nation and India is rejecting any peace move by Pakistan. Feel free to keep rejecting.
World record says something else. Be it in 1965 agitations in Kashmir, peace after Shimla Agreement or Kargil after talks, Indian diplomats are perfectly reasonable. We don't wanna be stabbed again.

Moreover, its very recent you guys came on table when you lost international support. Otherwise, you were just bent on getting Kashmir somehow.
India-Pakistan relations: Imran Khan’s intentions are unclear and don’t matter
That report he mentioned is by World Bank not Pakistan. Indian trade is higher cuz of high population, we all know that. I don't care much about trade with india or for that matter South Asia. Whatever South Asia (excluding Pakistan) produce, China produce in better quality and quantity bringing cost to at least half and China is next door with trade highways connected and getting even stronger. And you are right Pakistan doesn't want any access to tiny south asia nations such as Bangladesh, Bhutan, Nepal, cuz they have nothing special to offer Pakistan and I believe vice versa.
Indeed India is there because of population but not only because of population & so is China. It has a more diversified industry than other countries of its class that's why we have 20-25 times more per capita technological output than other lower middle income states. Otherwise, Africa (as whole) with similar population & economy would be doing more than India.
Pakistan grew far more richer than India for first 40 years of independence and India reversed trends since 1991 even in better way. China in 1978.
So head start made it an upper middle income economy having qualitative advantage.
But in case of low end products & costiler labor in China, India can provide them cheaper & better than PRC's.
If GB and Azad Kashmir wants independence, why not?
GB & AJK have HDIs at par with African countries & not even properly documented & accessible. Indian Kashmir is same as that of Indian National Average.

Just like you on your forum about J&K wants independence, we have similar incidents about AJK & GB.
I know for sure about GB that they doesn't wanna be part of Kashmir conflict and they are pressuring govt and military to grant them provincial status. This is the most common demand there, not independence. The best way to find out is by held in refrendum district by district. Whoever district vote for Pakistan goes to Pakistan, whoever votes independence of Kashmir become part of independent nation of Kashmir and whoever votes india goes to india.
As told before Islam was not originated in subcontinent but middle east. We love guests but we hate enroachers. Kashmiri Hindus will be rehabilitated before any plebiscite.
 
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Indians may be stubborn and dogmatic, bur Pakistanis are no less so in my opinion, and my statement that it will take both sides to reduce tensions remains correct.



I hope so too. But it will take time and some basic changes, either voluntary or forced, by one or both sides.
Many times some foolish Pakistanis tried to make peace deals with them but they said NO we want to kill you,force hindusim on you and rape your women. Even on this forum they perpetuate the same filthy ideology.
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Trade I agree but peace with them :lol:

Indians may be stubborn and dogmatic, bur Pakistanis are no less so in my opinion, and my statement that it will take both sides to reduce tensions remains correct.



I hope so too. But it will take time and some basic changes, either voluntary or forced, by one or both sides.
Many times some foolish Pakistanis tried to make peace deals with them but they said NO we want to kill you,force hindusim on you and rape your women. Even on this forum they perpetuate the same filthy ideology.
djru48lvwaa91e7-jpg.447021

Trade I agree but peace with them :lol:

Indians may be stubborn and dogmatic, bur Pakistanis are no less so in my opinion, and my statement that it will take both sides to reduce tensions remains correct.



I hope so too. But it will take time and some basic changes, either voluntary or forced, by one or both sides.
Many times some foolish Pakistanis tried to make peace deals with them but they said NO we want to kill you,force hindusim on you and rape your women. Even on this forum they perpetuate the same filthy ideology.
djru48lvwaa91e7-jpg.447021

Trade I agree but peace with them :lol:

Indians may be stubborn and dogmatic, bur Pakistanis are no less so in my opinion, and my statement that it will take both sides to reduce tensions remains correct.



I hope so too. But it will take time and some basic changes, either voluntary or forced, by one or both sides.
Many times some foolish Pakistanis tried to make peace deals with them but they said NO we want to kill you,force hindusim on you and rape your women. Even on this forum they perpetuate the same filthy ideology.
djru48lvwaa91e7-jpg.447021

Trade I agree but peace with them :lol:
 
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Many times some foolish Pakistanis tried to make peace deals with them but they said NO we want to kill you,force hindusim on you and rape your women. Even on this forum they perpetuate the same filthy ideology.
djru48lvwaa91e7-jpg.447021

Trade I agree but peace with them :lol:

Once trade reaches a certain threshold, it becomes an important consideration for peace. I once wrote an article on PDF on this subject back in the day when I cared.
 
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That's the problem with Pakistanis. Just after getting separated you guys went to find another identity to prove yourself another nation.
The Pakistan created by Jinnah collapsed in 1971 and modern Pakistan and Bangladesh are successor states.
As told before your narrative is conflicting,
You can call yourself either Muslims OF India (which implies that you are our guys & girls) or Muslims IN India (which itself raises questions on legitimacy of creation of Pakistan because Islam is an Arabic religion and nothing to do with roots of India).
Read..
History in Service

That's just a coincidence and actually wrong because Pakistan was created on the basis of Islam, not ethnicity. East Pakistan (now became Bangladesh) which is a part of Gangetic civilization is a proof.
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You proved you have zero knowledge of Pakistan and it's history (land's history).
 
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You proved you have zero knowledge of Pakistan and it's history (land's history).
Care to explain.
Pakistan's history is not land's history. It's a pure ideological concept introduced in 1940. Islam, Islam & only Islam. Read my complete post.

Contradict me. Because all this "South Asian" land is called "Indian Subcontinent" and included in "Indian History" by global scholars for very good historical reasons.
 
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Care to explain.
Pakistan's history is not land's history. It's a pure ideological concept introduced in 1940. Islam, Islam & only Islam. Read my complete post.

Contradict me. Because all this "South Asian" land is called "Indian Subcontinent" and included in "Indian History" by global scholars for very good historical reasons.

Are your brain cells damaged later or were they as bad when you came into this world?

Yes India, Hindu, Sind, Sindhu, Indus all derived from Sindh which is Pakistan. It sure is Sindhu or Indian subcontinent stretching from River Indus to Northeast. Balochistan, KPK, FATA are not part of it though.
 
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Are your brain cells damaged later or were they as bad when you came into this world?
Are you able to give any better response? Just look at your rants and judge yourself who's braindead. You're not able to argue or explain any damned thing.
Yes India, Hindu, Sind, Sindhu, Indus all derived from Sindh
Wrong, they all got their "names" from it because for Persians, India started with Sindh having Indus river.
I won't even waste my time in explaining that Sanatanatva (you calling Hinduism or Hindutva) wasn't originated from Sindh but Nepal & India (mostly Nepal) and modified by Aryans. India had many other religions and Iranians coined a name "Hindu" to describe all Indians. Indian monotheist, polytheist & atheist communities.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharma

So, Hinduism isn't limited to word conventionally used & only thing common is that they (Indic religions) share roots and somewhat culture because they were always interacting with each other in a civilization.
Just like your Abrahamic world originating Islam, Christianity & Judaism, Indians, Chinese & East Asians have their own worlds and definition of religion in these countries is nothing like that in West or Middle East.
We don't have written sets of made up values like sexual freedoms of women or rituals demanded by God.
Our culture reshaped after interaction with Abrahamic civilization & Hindus make a bit radical competing with Christians & Muslims.

Don't come up with another made up rant on this topic before studying about India & East Asia.
which is Pakistan.
So, now you guys will switch the principles of foundation of your state?
It sure is Sindhu or Indian subcontinent stretching from River Indus to Northeast. Balochistan, KPK, FATA are not part of it though.
If Pakistan's claim on IVC holds any righteousness:
  1. A single reference quoting Muslim League or M.A. Jinnah citing IVC as the basis of demand of partition & not Islam.
  2. Why East Bengal was acceded to Pakistan & Jammu, Kashmir & Laddakh are demanded by Pakistan?
  3. What was the explanation of Bangladesh being a part of Pakistan for 24 years?
  4. If Pakistan was based on small section of civilization, why non Muslims migrated to India after partition?
Suppose, not Kashmir, Punjab & Begal but instead Maharashtra & Karnataka would have been Muslim majority states. So, Pakistanis would be Marathas, Kudugs & Dravidians?
Pakistan is a hybrid state, a part of Indian Civilization distorted by invaders just like Iraq carved out of Iran by Arabs forgot its Persian roots.
The thing which was an excuse for partition and basis of holding your nation is Islam, you can't ever defy it.
 
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Are you able to give any better response? Just look at your rants and judge yourself who's braindead. You're not able to argue or explain any damned thing.

Wrong, they all got their "names" from it because for Persians, India started with Sindh having Indus river.
I won't even waste my time in explaining that Sanatanatva (you calling Hinduism or Hindutva) wasn't originated from Sindh but Nepal & India (mostly Nepal) and modified by Aryans. India had many other religions and Iranians coined a name "Hindu" to describe all Indians. Indian monotheist, polytheist & atheist communities.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharma

So, Hinduism isn't limited to word conventionally used & only thing common is that they (Indic religions) share roots and somewhat culture because they were always interacting with each other in a civilization.
Just like your Abrahamic world originating Islam, Christianity & Judaism, Indians, Chinese & East Asians have their own worlds and definition of religion in these countries is nothing like that in West or Middle East.
We don't have written sets of made up values like sexual freedoms of women or rituals demanded by God.
Our culture reshaped after interaction with Abrahamic civilization & Hindus make a bit radical competing with Christians & Muslims.

Don't come up with another made up rant on this topic before studying about India & East Asia.

So, now you guys will switch the principles of foundation of your state?

If Pakistan's claim on IVC holds any righteousness:
  1. A single reference quoting Muslim League or M.A. Jinnah citing IVC as the basis of demand of partition & not Islam.
  2. Why East Bengal was acceded to Pakistan & Jammu, Kashmir & Laddakh are demanded by Pakistan?
  3. What was the explanation of Bangladesh being a part of Pakistan for 24 years?
  4. If Pakistan was based on small section of civilization, why non Muslims migrated to India after partition?
Suppose, not Kashmir, Punjab & Begal but instead Maharashtra & Karnataka would have been Muslim majority states. So, Pakistanis would be Marathas, Kudugs & Dravidians?
Pakistan is a hybrid state, a part of Indian Civilization distorted by invaders just like Iraq carved out of Iran by Arabs forgot its Persian roots.
The thing which was an excuse for partition and basis of holding your nation is Islam, you can't ever defy it.

Lol...:rofl::rofl:

Go read proper history, my time ain't worth wasting on a ghostwami swamia. Now you are resorting to what if imaginations...:lol::pakistan:
 
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Lol...:rofl::rofl:

Go read proper history, my time ain't worth wasting on a ghostwami swamia. Now you are resorting to what if imaginations...:lol::pakistan:
Show up or shut up.
You're neither be able to give any single point to contradict me nor able to do any reasoning.
Only way Pakistani establishment is able to hold it is using half truth to lie.:tdown:
Respond when you get a point.
 
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Show up or shut up.
You're neither be able to give any single point to contradict me nor able to do any reasoning.
Only way Pakistani establishment is able to hold it is using half truth to lie.:tdown:
Respond when you get a point.

Like I said, I rather not waste my time with someone who is a product of indian army, media and govt propaganda and is a brother of ghostwami swami, dreaming that they are Supa pawa and presenting nonsense history. Go search on google, proper history of Pakistan and it's land. Instead of posting your nonsense propaganda.:tdown::tdown:
 
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Like I said, I rather not waste my time with someone who is a product of indian army, media and govt propaganda and is a brother of ghostwami swami, dreaming that they are Supa pawa and presenting nonsense history. Go search on google, proper history of Pakistan and it's land. Instead of posting your nonsense propaganda.:tdown::tdown:
Explode yourself in your own bubble then.:lol: World is much bigger than this "region".
Akhand Pakistan the great successor of IVC was divided in the name of religion by evil. Hindus. Hope that sails your boat.
 
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Explode yourself in your own bubble then.:lol: World is much bigger than this "region".
Akhand Pakistan the great successor of IVC was divided in the name of religion by evil. Hindus. Hope that sails your boat.

Akhand bharat was garq in 47:D

Pakistan is the heir of IVC while india is like a darbari carrying it's name.:lol:
 
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