Pakistan's Service Rifle (G-3, Type-56) Replacement Competition 2016.

[TsAr]

Which calibre ? 7.62x39 replacement one or 7.62x51 replacement one

Multiple caliber, but lets see..... @PanzerKiel please elaborate more then the heart emoji plz

 

[Zarvan]

Just heard that there is also a private player apart from POF vying for the next PA rifle, @PanzerKiel

I am still of the opinion that either getting Turkish Guns specially of company Kale and Kalip is the way forward. Getting its Gun with TOT and then further working with them to develop our R & D and designing new weapons in Pakistan is the way forward.

KALE KALIP | HOMEPAGE

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@Hakikat ve Hikmet

 

[CLUMSY]

I am still of the opinion that either getting Turkish Guns specially of company Kale and Kalip is the way forward. Getting its Gun with TOT and then further working with them to develop our R & D and designing new weapons in Pakistan is the way forward.

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KALE KALIP | HOMEPAGE

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@Hakikat ve Hikmet

These look very good, im not sure if inducting 5.56 into PA infantry weapons would be very wise though. Otherwise these look excellent especially for SF, would be a great replacement to aging m4a1s.

 

[Zarvan]

These look very good, im not sure if inducting 5.56 into PA infantry weapons would be very wise though. Otherwise these look excellent especially for SF, would be a great replacement to aging m4a1s.

We should produce all of them in Pakistan. 5.56 is used by SSG, SSW and SSG N. Also when I talk about produce assault rifles in Pakistan. I am also keeping in mind that we have Police to equip also. And for Police 5.56 is better choice then 7.62 X 39.

 

[CLUMSY]

We should produce all of them in Pakistan. 5.56 is used by SSG, SSW and SSG N. Also when I talk about produce assault rifles in Pakistan. I am also keeping in mind that we have Police to equip also. And for Police 5.56 is better choice then 7.62 X 39.

I agree, i am of the opinion that 5.56x45 is superior to 7.62x39 but if we ever choose to induct 5.56 as the standard round we must be very careful.

 

[Zarvan]

I agree, i am of the opinion that 5.56x45 is superior to 7.62x39 but if we ever choose to induct 5.56 as the standard round we must be very careful.

For infantry it would always be 7.62 X 51. For Police and Special Forces it would be 5.56 X 45.

 

[CLUMSY]

For infantry it would always be 7.62 X 51. For Police and Special Forces it would be 5.56 X 45.

7.62x51 is too heavy to be the standard round for pakistan army. It weighs around twice the mass of 7.62x39 and 5.56x45. At most only 1 or 2 soldiers in a squad should have a battle rifle firing such a cartridge. NATO experimented with having 7.62x51 as the standard round but found it to be too heavy and overkill. Whoever can throw down the most lead usually wins a firefight, 7.62x51 makes carrying more ammo difficult. Most western militaries usually have one or two soldiers with battle rifles firing full powered cartridges and the rest have assault rifles with intermediate cartridges.

 

[Zarvan]

7.62x51 is too heavy to be the standard round for pakistan army. It weighs around twice the mass of 7.62x39 and 5.56x45. At most only 1 or 2 soldiers in a squad should have a battle rifle firing such a cartridge. NATO experimented with having 7.62x51 as the standard round but found it to be too heavy and overkill. Whoever can throw down the most lead usually wins a firefight, 7.62x51 makes carrying more ammo difficult. Most western militaries usually have one or two soldiers with battle rifles firing full powered cartridges and the rest have assault rifles with intermediate cartridges.

We have stuck with 7.62 x 51 for infantry for more then 50 years now. It's not going to change. 7.62 X 51 will be for infantry.

 

[CLUMSY]

For infantry it would always be 7.62 X 51. For Police and Special Forces it would be 5.56 X 45.

7.62x51 is too heavy to be the standard round for pakistan army. It weighs around twice the mass of 7.62x39 and 5.56x45. At most only 1 or 2 soldiers in a squad should have a battle rifle firing such a cartridge. NATO experimented with having 7.62x51 as the standard round bit found it to be too heavy. Whoever can throw down the most lead usually wins a firefight, 7.62x51 makes carrying more ammo difficult. Most western militaries usually have one or two soldiers with battle rifles firing full powered cartridges and the rest have assault rifles with intermediate cartridges.

We have stuck with 7.62 x 51 for infantry for more then 50 years now. It's not going to change. 7.62 X 51 will be for infantry.

Hopefully it will be swapped out for a lighter round. I cant imagine how much collateral damage could be caused in urban areas with such a round

 

[Zarvan]

7.62x51 is too heavy to be the standard round for pakistan army. It weighs around twice the mass of 7.62x39 and 5.56x45. At most only 1 or 2 soldiers in a squad should have a battle rifle firing such a cartridge. NATO experimented with having 7.62x51 as the standard round bit found it to be too heavy. Whoever can throw down the most lead usually wins a firefight, 7.62x51 makes carrying more ammo difficult. Most western militaries usually have one or two soldiers with battle rifles firing full powered cartridges and the rest have assault rifles with intermediate cartridges.

Hopefully it will be swapped out for a lighter round. I cant imagine how much collateral damage could be caused in urban areas with such a round

For that we would have 5.56 round. 7.62 X 51 is our battle rifle round not for internal operations.

 

[Zarvan]

 

[TsAr]

I am still of the opinion that either getting Turkish Guns specially of company Kale and Kalip is the way forward. Getting its Gun with TOT and then further working with them to develop our R & D and designing new weapons in Pakistan is the way forward.

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@Hakikat ve Hikmet

Have you used any of the Turkish rifles?

 

[Zarvan]

Have you used any of the Turkish rifles?

What I know is MPT 76 was among one of the best performing rifles in our trials. Sir @PanzerKiel can confirm it with heart emoji reaction on this post. So those who have used it know they work. Turkey just like us was user of G3. And replaced with MPT 76. They are doing good in this industry. Just look at finishing of your Rifle BW 20 and look at their finishing. And in modern warfare both matters. Because the modern machinery has given so much technology that if you make a good gun which has good rate of fire without jamming and can survive in extreme temperatures trust me it would also have really fine finishing.

 

[RAMPAGE]

I am still of the opinion that either getting Turkish Guns specially of company Kale and Kalip is the way forward. Getting its Gun with TOT and then further working with them to develop our R & D and designing new weapons in Pakistan is the way forward.

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KALE KALIP | HOMEPAGE

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@Hakikat ve Hikmet

It is a good thing then that you are not involved in the decision-making. Next time, support your opinion with an argument/reasons.

 

[Zarvan]

It is a good thing then that you are not involved in the decision-making. Next time, support your opinion with an argument/reasons.

Yes decision making. Like not getting MRAP for soldiers for decades and loosing several thousand soldiers. For taking U turn and getting Pakistani into an war which caused 70000 deaths. Like imposing MAFIAS like Nawaz and Bhutto clan on Pakistan. Not to forget 71. So please don't tell me about decision making.