Pakistan's Service Rifle (G-3, Type-56) Replacement Competition 2016.

[Mumm-Ra]

5th anniversary in July!

SCAR basically Katrina Kaif hai...milni tou kabi nae Pr bnda khwahish tou kr skta hai na

 

[CrazyZ]

no, we don't use 5.45x39! I am saying scrap 5.56 and 7.62x39 and look at a 6mm solution like 6.5 Grendel or the new US NGSW 6.8 which is a 7.62x51 reworked!

Smaller bullets (5.45 & 5.56) struggle against modern body armor. PA should stick with 7.62x39 and 7.62x51. For 7.62x39, a modernized AK variant would be great. For the 7.62x51, a modernized AR variant would be great. No need to reinvent the wheel.

 

[Zarvan]

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Do you have latest pictures of this project.

Smaller bullets (5.45 & 5.56) struggle against modern body armor. PA should stick with 7.62x39 and 7.62x51. For 7.62x39, a modernized AK variant would be great. For the 7.62x51, a modernized AR variant would be great. No need to reinvent the wheel.

7.62 X 51 and 7.62 X 39 was always the plan. There were two tenders, one was for to replace G3 with a new 7.62 X 51 caliber gun and other was to replace Type 56 with a new 7.62 X 39 caliber gun.

 

[Armchair]

That's what I am saying, 6.5/6.8 have huge potential but it will take time for it to become mature. We have had POF for decades yet they have become lazy, the process should start now in R&D. Small arms chambered in traditional ammo have matured significantly and we would need a huge catching up to do. Rather than catching up guns Chambered in traditional caliber i.e 556/762NATO/762×39 it would be rather beneficial to start R&D on the new cartridge.
divert funds to develop a gun in 6.5/6.8 and pakistan would gain a strong foothold in the future small arms industry .

I dream of a Pakistan that is brave and independent enough to choose its own small arms calibre and to design its own small arms. I don't know if I will live long enough to see this dream come true.

 

[Zarvan]

I dream of a Pakistan that is brave and independent enough to choose its own small arms calibre and to design its own small arms. I don't know if I will live long enough to see this dream come true.

I am also waiting for more than. If Pakistan gets oil and gold and other reserves discovered and Pakistan earns 555 Billion Dollars per year from them and 55 Billion dollar is added to defence trust me Pakistan will still stick to crap G3 and Type 56

 

[Armchair]

I am also waiting for more than. If Pakistan gets oil and gold and other reserves discovered and Pakistan earns 555 Billion Dollars per year from them and 55 Billion dollar is added to defence trust me Pakistan will still stick to crap G3 and Type 56

None of this is needed. What is needed is self respect and self belief, which are missing. See Israel, Singapore, UAE, South Korea, Taiwan, small european countries, tiny countries that make their own gun designs.

 

[Path-Finder]

Smaller bullets (5.45 & 5.56) struggle against modern body armor. PA should stick with 7.62x39 and 7.62x51. For 7.62x39, a modernized AK variant would be great. For the 7.62x51, a modernized AR variant would be great. No need to reinvent the wheel.

why not have a 6mm cartridge and do away with 7.62x39 and 556? The new NGSW is a 7.62x51 reworked to 6.8! So the productions cost and unnecessary logistics for 3 types of munition ends!

 

[CrazyZ]

None of this is needed. What is needed is self respect and self belief, which are missing. See Israel, Singapore, UAE, South Korea, Taiwan, small european countries, tiny countries that make their own gun designs.

R&D money has to be efficiently allocated. Why waste R&D resources on generic small arms. The Galil, SAR80, K2, HK 416 are all platforms based on the AR or AK anyways. Pakistan should allocate R&D resources to items that are not readily available on the international arms market. Project AZM and nuclear capable SSM's are higher priorities for R&D resource allocation. These are not items readily available to us on the international arms market. There is 10 million global companies willing to sell us small arms with tech transfer. Pride can be foolish sometimes.

 

[Zarvan]

why not have a 6mm cartridge and do away with 7.62x39 and 556? The new NGSW is a 7.62x51 reworked to 6.8! So the productions cost and unnecessary logistics for 3 types of munition ends!

R&D money has to be efficiently allocated. Why waste R&D resources on generic small arms. The Galil, SAR80, K2, HK 416 are all platforms based on the AR or AK anyways. Pakistan should allocate R&D resources to items that are not readily available on the international arms market. Project AZM and nuclear capable SSM's are higher priorities for R&D resource allocation. These are not items readily available to us on the international arms market. There is 10 million global companies willing to sell us small arms with tech transfer. Pride can be foolish sometimes.

Sir issue is we tested several Guns few passed tests but we never made the deal. It has been 5 years now.

 

[Path-Finder]

Sir issue is we tested several Guns few passed tests but we never made the deal. It has been 5 years now.

Hazrat we know you adore the DCAR!

 

[Zarvan]

Hazrat we know you adore the DCAR!

Right now I am totally fed up so I would be happy if we go for BREN or Berreta series but we should select one and go for it and than design one AR based Rifle series with Turkey's help or just take their Rifles revisit the issues they faced in our trials address those issues and than produce Turkish Assault rifles also

 

[Readerdefence]

Right now I am totally fed up so I would be happy if we go for BREN or Berreta series but we should select one and go for it and than design one AR based Rifle series with Turkey's help or just take their Rifles revisit the issues they faced in our trials address those issues and than produce Turkish Assault rifles also

Hi in the end as you said yourself will end up in G3 or may be... some Chinese rifle any info on the Chinese rifles
Thank you

 

[denel]

None of this is needed. What is needed is self respect and self belief, which are missing. See Israel, Singapore, UAE, South Korea, Taiwan, small european countries, tiny countries that make their own gun designs.

I concur; it is complete b/s going elsewhere. If POC which has been building licenced design has no group of specialists who can put something together as a best of breed. To see you have to go outside for a design is a travesty.

 

[blain2]

Han ji! My routine check-up on the thread. 416 pages later, what has the Army decided on?

 

[PanzerKiel]

India’s Para (Special Forces) to get new Assault Rifles from the United States for Jungle Warfare

Indian Army has placed orders for 1000+ for FN SCAR-H STD 7.62x51mm NATO/.308 Win caliber assault rifle from Belgian firearms company FN Herstal which has a manufacturing unit in the United States for Para (Special Forces) under Foreign Military Sales (FMS) program with the US administration. FN SCAR-H assault rifle was developed by FN Herstal for United States Special Operations Command and is known as Special forces go to assault rifle which is very effective against in Jungle War conditions. FN SCAR-H can fire all types of 7.62mm ammunition and are made of special polymers and aluminum which makes the guns incredibly light with features like foldable buttstock and can be equipped with the FN40GL 40mm grenade launcher.

http://idrw.org/indias-para-special...es-from-the-united-states-for-jungle-warfare/