Pakistan's Service Rifle (G-3, Type-56) Replacement Competition 2016.

[Zarvan]

Nope. Apparently, according to @Zarvan a decision has been made, but no confirmation.

I doubt we'll see anything any time soon, even if it is true.

I think Rifle would get revealed just like VT 4 was revealed.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

I think Rifle would get revealed just like VT 4 was revealed.

Scar?? Or smthn else?

 

[That Guy]

I think Rifle would get revealed just like VT 4 was revealed.

probably, keep in mind, it could be years before we hear anything, even if an decision has been made. It may take up to decade to replace Pakistan's current standard rifle with the new ones. Pakistan has huge army, and issuing a new stand rifle is going to be extremely difficult.

Scar?? Or smthn else?

Probably not the Scar. I'm betting it's either the Bren, or the AK.

 

[Zarvan]

Scar?? Or smthn else?

No clue

Scar?? Or smthn else?

No clue

 

[retaxis]

Which guns were considered?

 

[Reichmarshal]

my bet is on the AK 103

 

[Bossman]

 

[Metal 0-1]

Wish AK-12 should have been inducted by Pakistani Military. 5.45x39 a more potent round as compared to 7.62x39.

But we have to flip whole infrastructure of 7.62x39 already being produced. So AK-15 is good choice. More modular and lighter.

 

[CrazyZ]

Wish AK-12 should have been inducted by Pakistani Military. 5.45x39 a more potent round as compared to 7.62x39.

But we have to flip whole infrastructure of 7.62x39 already being produced. So AK-15 is good choice. More modular and lighter.

Lighter bullets (5.45x39 and 5.56x45mm) struggle to penetrate modern body armor. PA is correct to retain the 7.62 rounds for most applications.

 

[Metal 0-1]

Lighter bullets (5.45x39 and 5.56x45mm) struggle to penetrate modern body armor. PA is correct to retain the 7.62 rounds for most applications.

Lighter bullets actually penetrate more than heavier.

Take 9mm for example. NATO decided to use more potent rounds for PDWs which have good penetration so they weapon manufacturers produced 4.6x30mm used in HK-MP-7 and 5.7x28 which is used in FN-P90 and FN-Five Seven. US and some other countries went for 300Blk weapon system like Q-Honey Badger and Sig MCX.

7.62x39 have more stopping power than pentration. Means it will have huge punch and take out big chunk. But on the other hand lighter bottleneck rounds will leave a clean hole and more penetration. That's why Russia is shifting to 5.45x39.

 

[CrazyZ]

Lighter bullets actually penetrate more than heavier.

Take 9mm for example. NATO decided to use more potent rounds for PDWs which have good penetration so they weapon manufacturers produced 4.6x30mm used in HK-MP-7 and 5.7x28 which is used in FN-P90 and FN-Five Seven. US and some other countries went for 300Blk weapon system like Q-Honey Badger and Sig MCX.

7.62x39 have more stopping power than pentration. Means it will have huge punch and take out big chunk. But on the other hand lighter bottleneck rounds will leave a clean hole and more penetration. That's why Russia is shifting to 5.45x39.

The U.S. Army Is Developing a Better Bullet
The new 6.8-millimeter bullet will equip a new generation of army carbines, squad automatic weapons.

BY KYLE MIZOKAMI
OCT 29, 2019

U.S. ARMY NATIONAL GUARD PHOTO BY SGT. DAVID BEDARD

• The U.S. Army is on the verge of retiring the Vietnam-era 5.56-millimeter caliber bullet.
• The Army believes the older bullet has insufficient range, armor penetrating power.
• The new bullet and gun combination will shoot farther, penetrate thicker armor, and weigh less, likely involving new technologies to help the service reach its goals.

The U.S. Army is finally poised to field a new bullet designed to penetrate body armor at greater ranges. The new round is part of an overall shift towards big power warfare, where combat against adversaries such as the Chinese or Russian armies could lead to soldiers squaring off with enemies fielding the latest body armor. The new 6.8 millimeter round will arm the new Next Generation Squad Weapons, the upcoming replacements for the M4A1 carbine and M249 squad automatic weapon.

In 1965 the U.S. Army began purchasing M16 rifles. The M16 was lighter than existing rifles and used a lighter 5.56-millimeter (.223 inch) caliber bullet. Although the new bullet was smaller it had less recoil, making it more controllable during full automatic fire. It was also lighter, enabling soldiers to carry more bullets per pound than the older 7.62-millimeter round.

The U.S. Army believes the 5.56-millimeter caliber is slowly growing obsolete. Today’s M855A1 Enhanced Performance Round, or “green tip ammo,” is designed to penetrate body armor while still causing incapacitating wounds. Performance is mixed, with reports that the new M855A1 round tumbles requires a greater travel distances within the human body to begin tumbling. The service believes that the 5.56 caliber is pretty much maxed out and it needs a new round to overmatch future body armors.

According to Military.com the Army is settling on a new, slightly larger caliber: 6.8-millimeter (.267 inch). A new, larger diameter cartridge could pack more gunpowder in the casing, creating greater chamber pressures in pounds per square inch to drive a bullet downrange. This in turn means a higher velocity bullet and a greater ability to penetrate steel, ceramic, and other armors.

The 6.8-millimeter bullet is reportedly very similar to the M855A1, consisting of a “consisting of an exposed steel penetrator that sits on top of a copper slug and is partially encased in a copper jacket.” The bullet is designed for speed and armor penetration, meaning features such as a hollow point for wound channel expansion, explosive tips, or any exotic gimmick is out of the question.

Exactly how that bullet is integrated into the gun differs among the three companies--General Dynamics/True Velocity, Textron, and Sig Sauer competing for the Next Generation Squad Weapons contract. The Army is demanding that each new 6.8 round weigh 30 percent less than a traditional brass cased round. The General Dynamics/True Velocity system replaces the brass shell casing with a lighter composite. Textron uses a so-called cased telescoped round, in which the bullet is encased in a lightweight plastic casing. Sig Sauer is going with a hybrid brass and steel casing.

The U.S. Army plans to equip its first combat unit with the new bullet in 2023.

The U.S. Army Is Developing a Better Bullet

The new 6.8-millimeter bullet will equip a new generation of army carbines, squad automatic weapons.

www.popularmechanics.com

 

[Metal 0-1]

The U.S. Army Is Developing a Better Bullet
The new 6.8-millimeter bullet will equip a new generation of army carbines, squad automatic weapons.

BY KYLE MIZOKAMI
OCT 29, 2019

U.S. ARMY NATIONAL GUARD PHOTO BY SGT. DAVID BEDARD

• The U.S. Army is on the verge of retiring the Vietnam-era 5.56-millimeter caliber bullet.
• The Army believes the older bullet has insufficient range, armor penetrating power.
• The new bullet and gun combination will shoot farther, penetrate thicker armor, and weigh less, likely involving new technologies to help the service reach its goals.

The U.S. Army is finally poised to field a new bullet designed to penetrate body armor at greater ranges. The new round is part of an overall shift towards big power warfare, where combat against adversaries such as the Chinese or Russian armies could lead to soldiers squaring off with enemies fielding the latest body armor. The new 6.8 millimeter round will arm the new Next Generation Squad Weapons, the upcoming replacements for the M4A1 carbine and M249 squad automatic weapon.

In 1965 the U.S. Army began purchasing M16 rifles. The M16 was lighter than existing rifles and used a lighter 5.56-millimeter (.223 inch) caliber bullet. Although the new bullet was smaller it had less recoil, making it more controllable during full automatic fire. It was also lighter, enabling soldiers to carry more bullets per pound than the older 7.62-millimeter round.

The U.S. Army believes the 5.56-millimeter caliber is slowly growing obsolete. Today’s M855A1 Enhanced Performance Round, or “green tip ammo,” is designed to penetrate body armor while still causing incapacitating wounds. Performance is mixed, with reports that the new M855A1 round tumbles requires a greater travel distances within the human body to begin tumbling. The service believes that the 5.56 caliber is pretty much maxed out and it needs a new round to overmatch future body armors.

According to Military.com the Army is settling on a new, slightly larger caliber: 6.8-millimeter (.267 inch). A new, larger diameter cartridge could pack more gunpowder in the casing, creating greater chamber pressures in pounds per square inch to drive a bullet downrange. This in turn means a higher velocity bullet and a greater ability to penetrate steel, ceramic, and other armors.

The 6.8-millimeter bullet is reportedly very similar to the M855A1, consisting of a “consisting of an exposed steel penetrator that sits on top of a copper slug and is partially encased in a copper jacket.” The bullet is designed for speed and armor penetration, meaning features such as a hollow point for wound channel expansion, explosive tips, or any exotic gimmick is out of the question.

Exactly how that bullet is integrated into the gun differs among the three companies--General Dynamics/True Velocity, Textron, and Sig Sauer competing for the Next Generation Squad Weapons contract. The Army is demanding that each new 6.8 round weigh 30 percent less than a traditional brass cased round. The General Dynamics/True Velocity system replaces the brass shell casing with a lighter composite. Textron uses a so-called cased telescoped round, in which the bullet is encased in a lightweight plastic casing. Sig Sauer is going with a hybrid brass and steel casing.

The U.S. Army plans to equip its first combat unit with the new bullet in 2023.

The U.S. Army Is Developing a Better Bullet

The new 6.8-millimeter bullet will equip a new generation of army carbines, squad automatic weapons.

www.popularmechanics.com

Are we compairing 5.56 & 6.8?
OR
5.56/5.45x39 & 7.62x39?

 

[Sine Nomine]

The main problem is POF is incompetently run. And Pak lacks metallurgists working on guns, and a general weakness in metallurgy.

Your first point is valid but second one
is incorrect,POF lacks good gunsmiths and small arms dev team.
Metallurgy comes after you have designed a working system.

The key is heat treatment of the guns post manufacture. The steal isn't something high tech. It is the heat treatment that gives the added strength. It takes hours to make a gun but days and sometimes weaks of heat treatment to get the barrels to the highest level of strength.

No gun part is heat treated after manufacturing,this happens before a part of metal can even be called a gun part.
A part is manufactured from either stamping a metal sheet,machining it out from block of solid metal or puring molten metal into dye.
Barrel is manufactured out of a solid steel blank either machined or hammer forged.
After manufacturing of different parts,parts are put togather to make a gun.

 

[Neurath]

G3 should be replaced with another battle rifle like HK417 or FN Scar H, as battle rifles generally provide advantages, especially on border skirmishes on the LOC.

Type 56 can be replaced with anything more modern in the AK platform, and according to the knowledge available, the Pakistan Army is most probably going for AK-103.
(Personally I'd prefer AK-15.)

 

[fitpOsitive]

G3 should be replaced with another battle rifle like HK417 or FN Scar H, as battle rifles generally provide advantages, especially on border skirmishes on the LOC.

Type 56 can be replaced with anything more modern in the AK platform, and according to the knowledge available, the Pakistan Army is most probably going for AK-103.
(Personally I'd prefer AK-15.)

No German rifles for Pakistan.
And in AK series, 107 is so far the best, in assault catagory (my opinion). In general, rifles by Italy are also not bad.