Pakistan's Service Rifle (G-3, Type-56) Replacement Competition 2016.

[django]

Come what may he is fixated on SCAR no matter how much proof and evidence you bring they will deny it. Hazrat couldn't answer the question on why USSOCOM shelved it so he took the financial route for a nation loaded with money. The chap from Colombia who says he is experienced with SCAR is not acceptable and point out the debacle in Peru. France is the latest country to reject it.

Now France is a country which has high Alps mountains where temperatures drop to -50C then it has overseas base in Djibouti where temperatures reach up to +60C but it didn't win.

Hazrat will say these people US French Peruvian need to submit a report to him explaining the failure to be acceptable. 2 nations adopted one has shelved it the other has been bribed by FN.

Car example is another ploy of our Hazrat now if a car passes its road test and you buy it. I gave my example but if a car like the rifle passes the test. But then it comes under daily scrutiny at the hands of the driver or soldier. Now test are NOT a true reflection of how it will fair the daily abuse at the hands of a soldier. The trials are merely set to see if it matches a set perceived or arbitrary limitations. Two completely different things trial and daily use!!!

An investment of 3 decades that nation will pay via taxes for a weapon NOT being widely adopted after mass rejection is our Hazrats sanity prevailing. Its not like Hazrat paid or spent his own money.

Excellent rebuttal to the spurious claims of Hazrat @Zarvan ......And since when Hazrat have LCB adopted M4, the fact is they love kitted out type-56 as does any Pak jawan I talk too.

I really want this to end, Man @Zarvan bro you taking it to far............... Just for once think what if final talks fails ????????
@django and @Path-Finder yaar please you 2 stop ,,,,,,,,,,, Please , please , He not going to stop........... can you guys Abbay yaar abb Shaib Ke Jann Lo gay kiya!!!!!!!!!!

Bro the facts are Hazrat has made a lot of people feel like gullible fools, by making claims of watertight sources within the Pak military who are in awe of the recoil, reliablity and accuracy of SCAR, after @Path-Finder research and scrutiny, all his arguments melted like ice in the desert

 

[That Guy]

Pakistan is more interested in replacing G3 than replacing Type 56 as a matter of fact Army may drop 7.62 X 39 caliber

Considering that they opened a 7.62x39 manufacturing plant just last year, I doubt that. In fact, the Type 56 has been very useful and popular in the war against militancy, and the army sees that usefulness. It's only logical to replace the Type 56 with a better rifle, to get even better results. There is a higher urgency to replace the type 56, because of just how much in demand the 7.62x39 caliber is with the front line infantry.

you have a very valid theory! x51 is not being used widely other than DMR and SAW. 300blackout which is considered Frankenstein offspring of x39 & 556 is being touted to replace 556. replacing just Type 56 for now makes complete sense!

Isn't the .300BLK super expensive to produce?

 

[pzfz]

none of the Pakmil issued rifles need replacing besides the g3, and that too only for weight reduction purposes. type 56 ii is just fine. unfortunately Pak does not have the requisite technical ability to modify the already restricting g3 design to better suit the needs to today's battlefield. however, i'll maintain that there is absolutely no need to rush into such a decision which will affect the armed forces for at least the next 50 years. the important questions regarding what type of force we want to be well into the future is not being had; such is the case with all pakmil acquisitions. 10 years later they'll again look for a newer rifle ala agosta90b, f22p, and jf17.

get a 762 nato round issue for special forces only and equip the main forces with the type 56 ii. 762 nato is also too powerful/big for most of our jawans to handle. make the g3/g3m a dmr as it has excellent one-round accuracy. there's nothing revolutionary with either the scar or cz. at least the arx is multi-caliber. no need to waste money...

 

[Zarvan]

Considering that they opened a 7.62x39 manufacturing plant just last year, I doubt that. In fact, the Type 56 has been very useful and popular in the war against militancy, and the army sees that usefulness. It's only logical to replace the Type 56 with a better rifle, to get even better results. There is a higher urgency to replace the type 56, because of just how much in demand the 7.62x39 caliber is with the front line infantry.


Isn't the .300BLK super expensive to produce?

If you haven't noticed SSG and even LCB guys have stopped using Type 56 and they are now using M4.

 

[That Guy]

If you haven't noticed SSG and even LCB guys have stopped using Type 56 and they are now using M4.

Those are SSG and LCB, not GI.

Your argument here is invalid.

 

[Zarvan]

Those are SSG and LCB, not GI.

Your argument here is invalid.

No point is 7.62 X 39 caliber is not that important for Army. Army considers 7.62 X 51 as there caliber and many LCB guys are also using M4

 

[That Guy]

No point is 7.62 X 39 caliber is not that important for Army. Army considers 7.62 X 51 as there caliber and many LCB guys are also using M4

Again, the fact that the army opened a 7.62x39 manufacturing plant, JUST LAST YEAR, proves you wrong.

 

[Zarvan]

Again, the fact that the army opened a 7.62x39 manufacturing plant, JUST LAST YEAR, proves you wrong.

No it doesn't because we are the biggest exporter of 7.62 X 39 ammunition to Middle East and other countries in Africa

 

[That Guy]

No it doesn't because we are the biggest exporter of 7.62 X 39 ammunition to Middle East and other countries in Africa

And for local army consumption, or do you think the type 56 shoots paint balls? You don't open a single plant just for export purposes.

But let's say you're right about the export point, the competition itself proves you wrong.

 

[Army research]

No it doesn't because we are the biggest exporter of 7.62 X 39 ammunition to Middle East and other countries in Africa

Being from an army background and knowing loads of people from ALL ranks , .39 is the new norm, from kashmir to Marines , from wagha to Torkham, SSG and LCB , siachien and Balochistan

 

[Zarvan]

Being from an army background and knowing loads of people from ALL ranks , .39 is the new norm, from kashmir to Marines , from wagha to Torkham, SSG and LCB , siachien and Balochistan

The new norm is already getting replaced by M4. Most soldiers at all these spots are using M4.

 

[Kompromat]

SUMMER TRIALS - SUMMERY

All rifles were tested in hot environment with 200 rounds for each test, i.e under the direct sunlight conditions, under the shade, mud, sand tests etc

Water immersion test | No stoppages

Slush test | there were stoppages on all rifles except none for AK-103 due to its powerful spring, and least stoppages for FN Scar.

Sand Test | there were stoppages on all rifles except none for AK-103 due to its powerful spring, and least stoppages for FN Scar.

Mud Test | All had many stoppages, SCAR stopped 4 time, marking the lowest number.

For Sustained Fire Test | 200 rounds / 10x magazines with immediate reload - Conducted twice.

FN SCAR H : Passed
Beretta : Didn't had appropriate number of magazines so each time it was refilled thus not passing the criteria.
Chinese AK : Passed
CZ (x51) : More than 15 stoppages after only 2-3 magazines; couldn't finish the test.
MKEK MPT-76 : 3 stoppages and the magazine was very difficult to remove while the weapon was hot.
Zastava : 3 stoppages
G3-A3 : 3 stoppages
AK-103 : 3 stoppages
CZ (x39 ) : 10 stoppages and after the test, the weapon was too hot to maintain it correctly.

At first instance this test was conducted in the open desert where outside temperature was very hot 54 or 55 deg C and the user first exposed all the rifles to outside temperature against sun for an hour or so and then immediately fired 200 shots on all the rifles.

SCAR passed these number of rounds without any jam and hence cooked off 2 times

Zastava M-77P also fired 200 shots with one stoppage and cooked off 3 times.

The Turkish MKEK MPT-76 fired 200 shots with two or three stoppage and cooked off 2 times and its plastic parts started burning as well.

Betretta didn't have appropriate number of magazines i.e., 10 x 20 rds magazines so their test was ignored with the remark that they don't have sufficient magazines.

Ceska Zbrojovka CZ-807 couldn't pass 200 rounds and had more than 12 stoppages or so giving them time for their rifle and its chamber to cool down resulting in no cook off later.

The test was repeated in a shady environment under the trees at a different place where outside temperature was still very hot 53 deg c.

Ceska Zbrojovka CZ-807 couldn't pass 200 rounds and had more than 10-12 stoppages giving them time for their rifle and its chamber to cool down resulting no cook off.

Betretta had only 06 magazines for ARX-200 so they refilled 04 magazines quickly which got them time resulting in no cook off.

SCAR passed 200 rounds without any jam and hence cooked off 2 times.

Zastava M-77P also fired 200 shots with no stoppage and cooked off 2 times.

The Turkish MKEK MPT-76 also fired 200 shots with one stoppage and cooked off 1 time and again with its plastic parts smelled like burning.

So generally the tester regarded all the rifles with cook off in such an environment if they pass 200 shots without any stoppage. Although 200 shots were passed at a different location of summer trials where SCAR did not cook-off.

Technical trials happened during winter as well as summer on all rifles and the rifles which qualified these two trials went through final test of endurance test where 30,000 rounds were fired from 3 of the each rifle of each OEM meaning 10,000 round per rifle, Only following went to this test and FN SCAR with aimpoint sight qualified. While, Beretta was caught cheating, CZ both types failed and their CZ (x39) was caught red handed while replacing rifle parts in violation of the test rules. MKEK MPT-76 failed and AK-103 failed as their chamber and barrel busted at 5000 rounds.

 

[Zarvan]

SUMMER TRIALS - SUMMERY

All rifles were tested in hot environment with 200 rounds for each test, i.e under the direct sunlight conditions, under the shade, mud, sand tests etc

Water immersion test | No stoppages

Slush test | there were stoppages on all rifles except none for AK-103 due to its powerful spring, and least stoppages for FN Scar.

Sand Test | there were stoppages on all rifles except none for AK-103 due to its powerful spring, and least stoppages for FN Scar.

Mud Test | All had many stoppages, SCAR stopped 4 time, marking the lowest number.

For Sustained Fire Test | 200 rounds / 10x magazines with immediate reload - Conducted twice.

FN SCAR H : Passed
Beretta : Didn't had appropriate number of magazines so each time it was refilled thus not passing the criteria.
Chinese AK : Passed
CZ (x51) : More than 15 stoppages after only 2-3 magazines; couldn't finish the test.
MKEK MPT-76 : 3 stoppages and the magazine was very difficult to remove while the weapon was hot.
Zastava : 3 stoppages
G3-A3 : 3 stoppages
AK-103 : 3 stoppages
CZ (x39 ) : 10 stoppages and after the test, the weapon was too hot to maintain it correctly.

At first instance this test was conducted in the open desert where outside temperature was very hot 54 or 55 deg C and the user first exposed all the rifles to outside temperature against sun for an hour or so and then immediately fired 200 shots on all the rifles.

SCAR passed these number of rounds without any jam and hence cooked off 2 times

Zastava M-77P also fired 200 shots with one stoppage and cooked off 3 times.

The Turkish MKEK MPT-76 fired 200 shots with two or three stoppage and cooked off 2 times and its plastic parts started burning as well.

Betretta didn't have appropriate number of magazines i.e., 10 x 20 rds magazines so their test was ignored with the remark that they don't have sufficient magazines.

Ceska Zbrojovka CZ-807 couldn't pass 200 rounds and had more than 12 stoppages or so giving them time for their rifle and its chamber to cool down resulting in no cook off later.

The test was repeated in a shady environment under the trees at a different place where outside temperature was still very hot 53 deg c.

Ceska Zbrojovka CZ-807 couldn't pass 200 rounds and had more than 10-12 stoppages giving them time for their rifle and its chamber to cool down resulting no cook off.

Betretta had only 06 magazines for ARX-200 so they refilled 04 magazines quickly which got them time resulting in no cook off.

SCAR passed 200 rounds without any jam and hence cooked off 2 times.

Zastava M-77P also fired 200 shots with no stoppage and cooked off 2 times.

The Turkish MKEK MPT-76 also fired 200 shots with one stoppage and cooked off 1 time and again with its plastic parts smelled like burning.

So generally the tester regarded all the rifles with cook off in such an environment if they pass 200 shots without any stoppage. Although 200 shots were passed at a different location of summer trials where SCAR did not cook-off.

Technical trials happened during winter as well as summer on all rifles and the rifles which qualified these two trials went through final test of endurance test where 30,000 rounds were fired from 3 of the each rifle of each OEM meaning 10,000 round per rifle, Only following went to this test and FN SCAR with aimpoint sight qualified. While, Beretta was caught cheating, CZ both types failed and their CZ (x39) was caught red handed while replacing rifle parts in violation of the test rules. MKEK MPT-76 failed and AK-103 failed as their chamber and barrel busted at 5000 rounds.

And finally our missing mod return thanks a lot for returning Sir

@Path-Finder @Arsalan @The Eagle Please free to study the results Sir @Army research @django

 

[Path-Finder]

And finally our missing mod return thanks a lot for returning Sir

@Path-Finder @Arsalan @The Eagle Please free to study the results Sir @Army research @django

Is this the official results?

 

[Zarvan]

Is this the official results?

What else you are thinking @Horus made it up ????????????