Pakistan plans to use both 7.62 X 39 and 7.62 X 51 and your thoughts on SCAR are based on what ?LMAOwould any body will care to elaborate about,the choice of calibre PA is going to make,since many are here with links all over in MoDP.
Hazrat @Zarvan your SCAR is piece of junk
Elaborate why,we would like to strain our logistics,when at engagement range in battlefield x51 is offering nothing as compared to x39?
Seriously !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We had no issue with 7.62 X 51 caliber the problem was G3. We would have used 7.62 X 51 if G3 would have been easy to carry just like Type 56. As for logistics Army doesn't have issue. They hardly use one type in everything they go for several things.
What?Nishan? the guy who would sugegest that Army should select ARX, FN SCAR and CZ BERN and also buy HK416, each soldier should be carrying four guns at all times so he can fire whichever guns he wants to!! Who wala Nishan?
we really had a member who said that? 
Hazarat @Zarvan your problem is that you haven't seen any action and use of these weapons in live firefight.
you talk about Successor to x39? or both x39 & x51? could something like the various 6mm cartridges be considered including the .300 blackout? Please don't do toheen of SCARHazarat @Zarvan your problem is that you haven't seen any action and use of these weapons in live firefight.
7.62x51 has no problem as cartridge but in operations it has proven itself highly unloved one,weapon chambered in that are simply overkill and highly unreliable tools in CQB scenario+are bulky+low ammo carriage etc.
While x39 is loved in NW by troops,SF has adopted it,weapon chambered in it are reliable in CQB scenario+weapon system is itself light+more ammo can be carried.
You would have been thinking like many others,performance of calibre 7.62x39 at long range,but to your and many other people's surprise there is no long range engagement for riflemen.All engagement of infantry riflemen would start from 20-25 yards to 100 yards while 300 very rare.
http://donaldmsensing.blogspot.com/2003/06/infantry-rifle-combat-distances.html?m=1
PA currently is conducting studies for successor,who can be effective in all battlefields and all type of ops.
7.62x39 has proved it's metal in current COIN Ops,Kargil,and siachen.
@DESERT FIGHTER dude you have first-hand experience of shooting 5.56,x51 and 39 tell our Hazrat.Otherwise a civil war will erupt if SCAR is not selected.
Well replacement of x51 as rifle cartridge,if you remember back in 2005 Pakistan tried to replace it with 5.56 and produced a G3 chambered in 5.56 known as Pk 08,but that failed due to WoT,Performance of 5.56 as compared to x39 in Afghanistan and Unsatisfactory results produced by PK 08 during trials.
For your information Pakistan Army is fully satisfied with 7.62 X 51 caliber and they plan to use both. That is why two tenders were issued one to replace G3 and one to replace Type 56. You talked about overkill that is exactly the thing which Army loves about X 51Hazarat @Zarvan your problem is that you haven't seen any action and use of these weapons in live firefight.
7.62x51 has no problem as cartridge but in operations it has proven itself highly unloved one,weapon chambered in that are simply overkill and highly unreliable tools in CQB scenario+are bulky+low ammo carriage etc.
While x39 is loved in NW by troops,SF has adopted it,weapon chambered in it are reliable in CQB scenario+weapon system is itself light+more ammo can be carried.
You would have been thinking like many others,performance of calibre 7.62x39 at long range,but to your and many other people's surprise there is no long range engagement for riflemen.All engagement of infantry riflemen would start from 20-25 yards to 100 yards while 300 very rare.
http://donaldmsensing.blogspot.com/2003/06/infantry-rifle-combat-distances.html?m=1
PA currently is conducting studies for successor,who can be effective in all battlefields and all type of ops.
7.62x39 has proved it's metal in current COIN Ops,Kargil,and siachen.
@DESERT FIGHTER dude you have first-hand experience of shooting 5.56,x51 and 39 tell our Hazrat.Otherwise a civil war will erupt if SCAR is not selected.
If you haven't seen him you have seen NOTHING!!What?
bss AWAIN!!
Can you start a thread on calibers and discuss that not particular to Pakistan but as General discussion on pros and cons of every caliber also of HandGuns. And yes overkill is the most loved part of x 51 for our forces.If you haven't seen him you have seen NOTHING!!
A couple of carrier battle groups with F35s, a dozen or so nuclear submarines etc etc were routine procurement plans.
Anyway, lets stick to the topic now.
bss AWAIN!!
ON a serious note, we have the capability to produce 7.62x51 rounds and there is a whole plant dedicated to it. Plus army do love its "over kill" capability. It is likely that we will go for two calibers, both x39 and x51. However i do agree that x51 do not offers much over x39 and it will be ideal if we can standardize the ammunition and go with one (which then SHOULD be 7.62 x 39mm and not x51) but the fact remains that we have huge stock piles of x51 and a well oiled setup for manufacturing the same, wont close that. Plus the NATO connection cannot be ignored either.
To conclude from my side, it is likely that both x51 and x39 will be selected, separate rifle for both. For battle field rifle, we will stick to x51 and for assault rifle and CQB we will go for x39.
However, if ONLY ONE have to be selected then it should surely be x39.
Zarvan sahab if Army would have satisfied with it in all theatres of operations we wouldn't have inducted thousands of AK's in one night.
Well this overkill comes with many limitations and x39 is also an over kill.For decades we have deployed x39 successfully in siachen.In WoT it proved it's worth along with system.There is nothing worth in carrying both at engagement ranges x39 offers same as x51 but also with low recoil,better control and deadly effects.
Please tell us why?
Because we don't believe in the policy of injuring the enemy of even giving him chance of surviving when we go for it we go on rampage and to kill until and unless we have hostage situation other than that the policy is of no mercy
The issue was x51 because any rifle with that calibre would have same recoil and control issues.In QRF we deployed it because mostly QRFF has to deal with CQB scenarios.
Lol Hazarat Over kill means that this weapon isn't required a weapon with low calibre can do the same job+will remove issues due to weight,length and recoil.
