Pakistan's Service Rifle (G-3, Type-56) Replacement Competition 2016.

[CriticalThought]

Most of the assault rifles of the last 50 years such as HKG3,G38 & 416, AK-47/ 74 / 103, AR-16/18, M- 14/M16, Steyr Aug, Galil, SIG 550, HK416, FN FAL and FN Scar are not that much better than each other. Of course newer rifles are lighter & with less kick, one can carry more of the new 0.556 less lethal round but can one honestly say that a soldier carrying FN Scar will be victor against the enemy carrying G-3 or Galil or even the ubiquitous AK-47.

The answer is surely ‘No’ as there are too many variables involved in here. No one rifle or a specific type of ammo can be said to be superior with certainty

Let’s us examine the experience of real combat situations. During the long Vietnam war, Vietcong guerrilla equipped largely with the AK-47 (Chinese type 56) assault rifle successfully fought with US troops carrying M-14 & M-16. Same thing happened in Somalia and now happening in Afghanistan. In the Falklands, both the British as well as Argentinian infantry were using FN FAL rifle. You can’t really say that success of Pak Army in the Zarbe Azb is due to the G-3 being superior to Taliban’s Kalashnikovs.

The above long winded preamble is not meant to belittle the need for replacement of the aging G3 rifle. Every Pakistani would like their soldiers to have the best assault rifle in the world. My point is simply to stress that Hon TheDarkKnight is correct is his assertion the limited resources available to Pak Army may provide more bang for the buck if other urgently needed equipment such artillery is given priority.

Finally, whichever way one looks at it; it appears that small arms, especially the assault rifle, design reached its peak during the decades of cold war era and therefore it is not easy to choose one over the other. Besides, a new assault rifle will be in service for the next 30 to 40 years and I am glad the Pak Army experts are taking their time to make up their mind.

The most interesting question is whether PA will replace all or a significant number of G3s with another x51 calibre rifle or shift towards x39 being the mainstay.

 

[JohnEurope]

Hello guys.
Some info about the CZ 807 BREN for the Pakistan.
The CZ 807 BREN IS also already available in 7.62 X 51. The CZ in this calibre already development battle rifle BREN (let´s say G3 for 21. century) and DMR (Designated Marksman Rifle) BREN (let´s say SVD Dragunov for 21. century). Body is same as CZ 807 BREN, but with longer and more massive barrels, and more massive forearm. So you don´t need extra training for migration from CZ 807 BREN to "battle BREN" / or DMR Bren

The BREN is hole family of the small arms in three different calibres 5,56x45, 7,62x39 an 7,62x51, and with barrels from 8" to 16 ". Also you can use several buttstock, also "M4 style".

Guy, who stay behind project CZ 807 BREN, is ex-operator from czech special forces with experience from combat zones. So his experiences from combat zones (Afghanistan) are reflected to the weapon.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Hello guys.
Some info about the CZ 807 BREN for the Pakistan.
The CZ 807 BREN IS also already available in 7.62 X 51. The CZ in this calibre already development battle rifle BREN (let´s say G3 for 21. century) and DMR (Designated Marksman Rifle) BREN (let´s say SVD Dragunov for 21. century). Body is same as CZ 807 BREN, but with longer and more massive barrels, and more massive forearm. So you don´t need extra training for migration from CZ 807 BREN to "battle BREN" / or DMR Bren

The CZ 807 BREN is hole family of the small arms in three different calibres 5,56x45, 7,62x39 an 7,62x51, and with barrels from 8" to 16 ". Also you can use several buttstock, also "M4 style".

Guy, who stay behind project CZ 807 BREN, is ex-operator from czech special forces with experience from combat zones. So his experiences from combat zones (Afghanistan) are reflected to the weapon.

Thank you for sharing! Out of curiosity, would you have access to any (preferably in English but we can use Google Translate) interviews with CZ officials on the BREN? Not specifically the BREN 7.62x51 (thought that'd be nice) but as a whole? We don't have access to a lot of the details, but I'm guessing there are Czech forums and sites where this is discussed. Thanks!

 

[Gryphon]

Meanwhile,

A Shibli Electronics official has told @TheOccupiedKashmir that it's TARSIER long range thermal weapon sight is currently being trialed by Pakistan Army and after this phase will enter serial production in 2017 with complete manufacturing at Shibli Factory, Islamabad.

He added that SKUA LR thermal binocular has 'cleared the user trials' and will also enter serial production next year.

 

[Tipu7]

Meanwhile,

A Shibli Electronics official has told @TheOccupiedKashmir that it's TARSIER long range thermal weapon sight is currently being trialed by Pakistan Army and after this phase will enter serial production in 2017 with complete manufacturing at Shibli Factory, Islamabad.

He added that SKUA LR thermal binocular has 'cleared the user trials' and will also enter serial production next year.

@Sulman Badshah @Zarvan

 

[JohnEurope]

Bilal Khan: I can offer only articles in czech (sorry for broken link, I have no permission yet to create the active links)
utocna-puska-cz-bren-2-novy-pristup-nove-mysleni - In this article you can find many citation from Martin Šanda, the head of project BREN and ex-operator of the czech special forces.
I think, in the AN (and discussion bellow article) you find the most relevant ant newest information about BREN rifles.

But, if you send a request to the press centre of CZ, I´m pretty sure, you get respond.

 

[Zarvan]

Hello guys.
Some info about the CZ 807 BREN for the Pakistan.
The CZ 807 BREN IS also already available in 7.62 X 51. The CZ in this calibre already development battle rifle BREN (let´s say G3 for 21. century) and DMR (Designated Marksman Rifle) BREN (let´s say SVD Dragunov for 21. century). Body is same as CZ 807 BREN, but with longer and more massive barrels, and more massive forearm. So you don´t need extra training for migration from CZ 807 BREN to "battle BREN" / or DMR Bren

The BREN is hole family of the small arms in three different calibres 5,56x45, 7,62x39 an 7,62x51, and with barrels from 8" to 16 ". Also you can use several buttstock, also "M4 style".

Guy, who stay behind project CZ 807 BREN, is ex-operator from czech special forces with experience from combat zones. So his experiences from combat zones (Afghanistan) are reflected to the weapon.

@Horus Do you have anything to add ? By the way good to know we are testing latest optics and Pakistan needs them. In fact each soldier should have latest optics issued to him also night vision optics by the way Turkish comapny also makes good optics

 

[Manticore]

http://www.armadninoviny.cz/utocna-puska-cz-bren-2-pro-pakistanskou-armadu3f.html
http://www.armadninoviny.cz/otazky-a-odpovedi-k-pusce-cz-805-bren.html
http://www.armadninoviny.cz/cz-806-bren-nova-utocna-puska-z-ceske-republiky.html?stranka=4
http://www.armadninoviny.cz/cz-bren-2-pro-armadu-cr-spokojenost-nebo-trpky-usmev3f.html?stranka=2

 

[Zarvan]

http://www.armadninoviny.cz/utocna-puska-cz-bren-2-pro-pakistanskou-armadu3f.html
http://www.armadninoviny.cz/otazky-a-odpovedi-k-pusce-cz-805-bren.html
http://www.armadninoviny.cz/cz-806-bren-nova-utocna-puska-z-ceske-republiky.html?stranka=4
http://www.armadninoviny.cz/cz-bren-2-pro-armadu-cr-spokojenost-nebo-trpky-usmev3f.html?stranka=2

Sir these links are way old and they don't clarify anything.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Meanwhile,

A Shibli Electronics official has told @TheOccupiedKashmir that it's TARSIER long range thermal weapon sight is currently being trialed by Pakistan Army and after this phase will enter serial production in 2017 with complete manufacturing at Shibli Factory, Islamabad.

He added that SKUA LR thermal binocular has 'cleared the user trials' and will also enter serial production next year.

Shibli ought to consider getting into the reflexive sights/red-dot sight business.

 

[MystryMan]

From miltechmag.com article (9 September 2016) :

Surely one of the largest small arms contracts to be awarded in the foreseeable future, the Pakistani competition includes a requirement for technology transfer and licence manufacture – a scenario Jakub Sondel (Head of Sports and Display Team) asserts lies at the heart of CZ’s continuing development strategy. “The results to date have been very encouraging and we have every reason to believe we are a very strong contender for this order,” he said.

Since the article is from early September and it mentions CZ as a strong contender. So has the status changed from contender to a winner as of now?

 

[Zarvan]

Since the article is from early September and it mentions CZ as a strong contender. So has the status changed from contender to a winner as of now?

Yes that is major issue these are also old articles and doesn't clear anything. The thing I want to get clarified is that whether 7.62 x 51 version of BREN exists or not and these articles are not clearing anything

 

[The Eagle]

Yes that is major issue these are also old articles and doesn't clear anything. The thing I want to get clarified is that whether 7.62 x 51 version of BREN exists or not and these articles are not clearing anything

Bro, one thing it clearly states and we have witnessed that there isn't much available in public domain about newer versions of CZ BREN hence expecting surprise. It is not necessary that hints or clues would be made public by PA either for people so all we can do is, read, observe, check the developments and can assume a favourable end to this. You missed something in above few posts, FN lacks a few things when it comes to greater recipe of deal.

 

[Path-Finder]

at the end of the video the quality of the manufacturing is very high.

Hazrat @Zarvan any more pics????

Hello guys.
Some info about the CZ 807 BREN for the Pakistan.
The CZ 807 BREN IS also already available in 7.62 X 51. The CZ in this calibre already development battle rifle BREN (let´s say G3 for 21. century) and DMR (Designated Marksman Rifle) BREN (let´s say SVD Dragunov for 21. century). Body is same as CZ 807 BREN, but with longer and more massive barrels, and more massive forearm. So you don´t need extra training for migration from CZ 807 BREN to "battle BREN" / or DMR Bren

The BREN is hole family of the small arms in three different calibres 5,56x45, 7,62x39 an 7,62x51, and with barrels from 8" to 16 ". Also you can use several buttstock, also "M4 style".

Guy, who stay behind project CZ 807 BREN, is ex-operator from czech special forces with experience from combat zones. So his experiences from combat zones (Afghanistan) are reflected to the weapon.

You my friend are putting nails in some coffins with this info!!! Can you then say that this pic of the target at the CZ booth in Pakistan is for the x51 BREN rifle???

Meanwhile,

A Shibli Electronics official has told @TheOccupiedKashmir that it's TARSIER long range thermal weapon sight is currently being trialed by Pakistan Army and after this phase will enter serial production in 2017 with complete manufacturing at Shibli Factory, Islamabad.

He added that SKUA LR thermal binocular has 'cleared the user trials' and will also enter serial production next year.

So much good news today you have been proven right of their being a x51 BREN and now locally made thermal scope being adopted!! and Hazrat @Zarvan needs a ambulance

 

[JohnEurope]

Path-Finder. Keep in mind difference between the CZ 805 BREN and the CZ 807 BREN. I agree, It can be little bit confused.
The CZ 805 BREN was very first weapon of new BREN family. Is in use in the Czech army (2012) or the mexican anti-drug units. The video, you mentioned above, is about the CZ 805 BREN and have nothing to do with the Pakistan tender.

The "Pakistani" CZ 807 BREN on other hand, is kind new version with substantially better ergonomics, lower weight, better functionality, better inner mechanisms, etc., etc. CZ 807 BREN is "alter ego" of new CZ BREN 2 for Czech army.

The CZ 807 BREN is enhanced thanks the real combat experience (Afghanistan) with the CZ 805 BREN and thanks real knowledge about spec-ops operation.

The pics, you post above, is probably the CZ 807 BREN in soviet calibre 7,62x39 - because this soviet ammo (cartridge has a "bottle" shape) need curve magazine.