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Guys we do not have to respond to Indians since it is not any of their business to talk about Pakistan's internal issues.

Guys deal with the Moaists in the 17 Indian states before they take over your entire country.

Back to the topic. We need to have justice and resolutions of all issues according to the Constitution of Pakistan.
 
Guys we do not have to respond to Indians since it is not any of their business to talk about Pakistan's internal issues.

Guys deal with the Moaists in the 17 Indian states before they take over your entire country.

Back to the topic. We need to have justice and resolutions of all issues according to the Constitution of Pakistan.


No one is taking over any country, so avoid these rants of frustration please.

If you have an open thread on Balochistan in a discussion forum, get used to Indians commenting on it. Either make Balochistan a topic that can not be discussed in defence.pk or live with it.

If you want to talk about Maoists, there are half a dozen threads on that too.. Use them instead of derailing this topic..
 
Guys we do not have to respond to Indians since it is not any of their business to talk about Pakistan's internal issues.

Guys deal with the Moaists in the 17 Indian states before they take over your entire country.

Back to the topic. We need to have justice and resolutions of all issues according to the Constitution of Pakistan.

It's an open forum they can and should talk about it, but not insult us our people or our belief's if you see someone trolling, report them...
 
some days before while on discussion of babri mosque indian members strongly criticized me for being in that discussion and calling it internal matter than why they are intruding here..... hypocrates
 
some days before while on discussion of babri mosque indian members strongly criticized me for being in that discussion and calling it internal matter than why they are intruding here..... hypocrates
Well you do intervene in matters concerning the state of J&K. Who does that make a hypocrite? ;)
 
One must understand the difference between when talking about a disputed territory and interfering in the internal affairs of other countries.But unfortunately people couldn't understand it in the past(talking about 1971,and are still harping on the same note) how can we expect them to understand this time now.

@ Topic: kill all those bloody bastards who are just waiting to pounce on the natural resources of Pakistan.These resources just belong to the state and the people of the state.....the people of Balochistan.It's time to clear the needless weeds who are becoming nuisance for the country and our countrymen in Balochistan.

Balochistan’s cities, towns and villages should be given priority.People there should be helped to join the national stream.They need they their share of jobs, funds, education, politics, etc ,give them.
 
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One must understand the difference between when talking about a disputed territory and interfering in the internal affairs of other countries.But unfortunately people couldn't understand it in the past(talking about 1971,and are still harping on the same note) how can we expect them to understand this time now.

@ Topic: kill all those bloody bastards who are just waiting to pounce on the natural resources of Pakistan.These resources just belong to the state and the people of the state.....the people of Balochistan.It's time to clear the needless weeds who are becoming nuisance for the country and our countrymen in Balochistan.

Balochistan’s cities, towns and villages should be given priority.People there should be helped to join the national stream.They need they their share of jobs, funds, education, politics, etc ,give them.
We don't care. You stop meddling in our matters, we will stop meddling in your matters in reality. Fair deal.
 
We don't care. You stop meddling in our matters, we will stop meddling in your matters in reality. Fair deal.

Well you do intervene in matters concerning the state of J&K. Who does that make a hypocrite?

IOK is not your internal affair. Simple.:)
 
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EDITORIAL: Resolving Balochistan the sane way

Daily Times
November 29, 2010

PML-N chief Mian Nawaz Sharif hit the nail on the head when he said that the situation in Balochistan cannot be resolved at gunpoint and Balochistan’s stability is vital for peace in Pakistan. Mian sahib’s words are critical in the present situation because he is heading the leading political party in Punjab, the province that the Baloch have come to dislike because of its disregard for other provinces. Mr Sharif condemned the increasing incidents of target killings of the Baloch and acknowledged that the recovery of bullet-riddled bodies in recent days has “further aggravated the political situation”. He urged the government to take “concrete and revolutionary steps to resolve the problems in a political manner”.

Balochistan is on fire, more so in recent months. As if thousands of abductions of the Baloch was not enough, now they are being killed brutally and mocking notes like ‘Eid gift for the Baloch’ are being attached to their dead bodies. The Baloch leadership, including Balochistan’s chief minister, have pointed fingers at our security establishment. The only ‘sin’ the Baloch have committed is to ask for their just rights. This has made our security establishment fear the Baloch nationalists, who have been dubbed as a threat to the country. Our intelligence agencies seem to have their own way of dealing with perceived ‘threats’ to the undefined ‘national interest’. It is the same highhanded manner in which our establishment dealt with the Bengalis in the past, which finally ended up in the creation of Bangladesh in 1971. If our establishment thinks that it would be in our ‘national interest’ to further separatist sentiment in Balochistan, then they are on the right track. Otherwise, the only sane way to deal with this situation is to bring about a political solution by addressing the grievances of the Baloch people.

Mian Nawaz Sharif rightly blamed General (retd) Pervez Musharraf for the current wave of unrest in Balochistan. Musharraf not only started another military operation in the province, he also killed Baloch leader Nawab Akbar Bugti. What is worse is that Musharraf does not even regret his mistakes. As Mian sahib pointed out, Musharraf is “publicly saying that he would repeat his actions if faced with the same situation”. Instead of apologising to the Baloch people, Musharraf is adding fuel to the fire by giving such statements. A man who has just launched a new political party — the All Pakistan Muslim League (APML) — and is vying to get back into politics through the power of the ballot, as opposed to a military coup through which he came to power previously, needs a reality check. Before contesting the next general elections, Musharraf should be put on trial for the murder of Akbar Bugti and other crimes against humanity.

We cannot afford another East Pakistan debacle. We are fighting terrorists in every nook and corner of the country, there is a terrorist insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and FATA, the jihadi networks in Punjab and Sindh are getting more active and the nationalist insurgency in Balochistan is gaining momentum. The political leadership must recognise the gravity of the situation. The PML-N’s solidarity with the Baloch cause would go down well but Mr Sharif also needs the PPP and its coalition partners on board. For starters, the government must put its foot down and stop the military operation in Balochistan. The Baloch leadership, both living in exile or inside Pakistan, must be brought to the negotiating table. Resolving Balochistan the sane way is the only solution to end the current imbroglio. Saving Balochistan would in effect save the country.
 
''Frontier india'' blog leaves a lot of info out it seems....

just another agenda article from the enemy country; though i do agree with some of the points in there

thanks for another indian bandwidth-wasting garbage

Thank you for your post Zolfiqar sb... It represents my sentiments exactly.
 
the anti-state terror outfits kill 2 birds with one stone; stir up a fire over a political issue, and sensationalize it by adding the ''Eid gift'' message to the corpses of ''missing persons''

i can only think of one 'party' that gains from this........and if anything, security agencies should increase their presence and sever the hands and nerves of anybody that engages in, or incites anti-state activity --whether its target killings, sabotage, or other terrorism


in the meanwhile, more priority needs to be given to bring more employment opportunities to the resource-rich Province.
 
VIEW: Lessons from history

Daily Times
Saroop Ijaz
December 24, 2010

Recently, the anniversary of the most shameful day in Pakistan’s history passed. The Pakistan Army surrendered on December 16, 1971 in Bangladesh. The surrender led to the disintegration of Pakistan and the establishment of Bangladesh. The separation of East Pakistan remains the single greatest setback to Pakistan to date. Having the benefit of hindsight, the nation needs closure and more significantly introspection. Bangladesh was a result of the utter inability of the Pakistani state to evolve a federal structure.

The causes of the Bengali discontent were widely known, even back then. The Bengalis resented the huge sums of foreign exchange earned from the sale of jute from East Pakistan, which was being spent on defence and the development of industry in West Pakistan. The Bengalis demanded fiscal autonomy and a greater degree of control over the natural resources of the province. They opposed the expenditure of revenue, earned by their natural resources, on building infrastructure in Punjab. The perception that Punjab was flourishing by plundering their natural resources was deep-seated in the Bengali population. The Bengalis demanded the freedom to devise their own development priorities. They felt wronged at having no adequate representation in the civil services and the armed forces. The Bengalis felt that their language, having great literary traditions and history, was not given the status that it deserved.

The response of West Pakistan to these legitimate demands was largely evasive. The perception inculcated in the population by the authorities was that these demands were largely political gimmicks, and most of them stemmed from Indian interference in East Pakistan. Their demands were never addressed; rather the moral basis of those making the demands was questioned. Bengali leaders were branded ‘Indian agents’ and anti-Pakistan. The political impasse led to protests and demonstrations in the eastern wing, which were interpreted as rebellion against the martial law government of Yahya Khan. West Pakistanis in general and Punjabis in particular became unwelcome in Bangladesh. Yahya Khan, the agent of the debacle, attempted to quell the rebellion by use of brutal force. The rest, as they say proverbially, is history.

Almost four decades later, Balochistan is now possessed with an accumulated sense of alienation from the state. Their demands are disconcertingly similar to those of the Bengalis. The Baloch today are incensed at the plunder, both perceived and real, of their natural resources, largely by Punjab. The nationalist leaders of Balochistan have been murdered, without giving rise to any significant commotion in the rest of the country. Balochistan demands the right to govern its people. Punjabis have once again become outlaws there. Having gone through this exercise before, one rationally expected the response to be different this time. However, it is not; the Baloch leaders are labelled ‘agents of India’ and anti-Pakistanis. The demands are not specifically addressed; rather the patriotism of those making the demands is questioned. The military is once again being considered the saviour. This is not to discard the possibility of external interference, yet to attribute all the grievances of a nation to foreign interference is insulting.

The situation in Balochistan is not identical to that of Bangladesh. The geographical constraints and political atmosphere dictate that Balochistan is unlikely to follow the trajectory of Bangladesh. The present federal government has taken steps in the right direction. The new National Finance Commission Award, the holding of a cabinet meeting in Gwadar and the announcement of the Aaghaz-e-Huqooq-e-Balochistan package are all measures aimed at pacifying the Baloch demands. However, perhaps the most significant factor remains missing — trust. Nations, like individuals, do not appreciate being either mistrusted or misunderstood. Bengalis were both mistrusted and misunderstood for 25 years, and so have been the Baloch for almost six decades now.

In May 1958, right-wing Frenchmen and their sympathisers in the army seized control of Algeria, which was then a French colony. A civil war seemed imminent. The future of the French Republic and the state seemed precarious. A few days after the May coup, the French government — the Fourth Republic — collapsed, and parliament called on Charles de Gaulle to help form a new government, the Fifth Republic. He asked for and was granted full powers for four months. Just days after becoming the head of government, De Gaulle flew to Algeria. Robert Greene narrates the details of De Gaulle’s first speech in Algeria. The first speech he gave in Algeria was before thousands of Algerians, both French Algerians and native Algerians. De Gaulle did not lay out a detailed plan of granting Algeria autonomy, and what he will do for them. Instead, he lowered his arms until silence fell, and then opened them wide, and slowly intoned, in his deep voice, “Je vous ai compris” (I have understood you). There was a moment of silence, and then, as his words sank in, a deafening roar — he understood them. That was all they needed to hear. Algeria was subsequently granted independence and the French Republic flourished, making it one of the greatest powers of the world under De Gaulle.

The Baloch, Hazaras and Seraikis need to be understood. They need to be trusted. We owe an apology to them. Their legitimate demands are to be complied with. Yet it should be realised that legislative packages alone will not suffice. Our leaders need to follow De Gaulle’s precedent and not evade issues, and use sincerity, even if they choose to use it for utilitarian reasons.

The writer is a lawyer based in Lahore.
 
VIEW: Lessons from history

Daily Times
Saroop Ijaz
December 24, 2010

Recently, the anniversary of the most shameful day in Pakistan’s history passed. The Pakistan Army surrendered on December 16, 1971 in Bangladesh. The surrender led to the disintegration of Pakistan and the establishment of Bangladesh. The separation of East Pakistan remains the single greatest setback to Pakistan to date. Having the benefit of hindsight, the nation needs closure and more significantly introspection. Bangladesh was a result of the utter inability of the Pakistani state to evolve a federal structure.

The causes of the Bengali discontent were widely known, even back then. The Bengalis resented the huge sums of foreign exchange earned from the sale of jute from East Pakistan, which was being spent on defence and the development of industry in West Pakistan. The Bengalis demanded fiscal autonomy and a greater degree of control over the natural resources of the province. They opposed the expenditure of revenue, earned by their natural resources, on building infrastructure in Punjab. The perception that Punjab was flourishing by plundering their natural resources was deep-seated in the Bengali population. The Bengalis demanded the freedom to devise their own development priorities. They felt wronged at having no adequate representation in the civil services and the armed forces. The Bengalis felt that their language, having great literary traditions and history, was not given the status that it deserved.

The response of West Pakistan to these legitimate demands was largely evasive. The perception inculcated in the population by the authorities was that these demands were largely political gimmicks, and most of them stemmed from Indian interference in East Pakistan. Their demands were never addressed; rather the moral basis of those making the demands was questioned. Bengali leaders were branded ‘Indian agents’ and anti-Pakistan. The political impasse led to protests and demonstrations in the eastern wing, which were interpreted as rebellion against the martial law government of Yahya Khan. West Pakistanis in general and Punjabis in particular became unwelcome in Bangladesh. Yahya Khan, the agent of the debacle, attempted to quell the rebellion by use of brutal force. The rest, as they say proverbially, is history.

Almost four decades later, Balochistan is now possessed with an accumulated sense of alienation from the state. Their demands are disconcertingly similar to those of the Bengalis. The Baloch today are incensed at the plunder, both perceived and real, of their natural resources, largely by Punjab. The nationalist leaders of Balochistan have been murdered, without giving rise to any significant commotion in the rest of the country. Balochistan demands the right to govern its people. Punjabis have once again become outlaws there. Having gone through this exercise before, one rationally expected the response to be different this time. However, it is not; the Baloch leaders are labelled ‘agents of India’ and anti-Pakistanis. The demands are not specifically addressed; rather the patriotism of those making the demands is questioned. The military is once again being considered the saviour. This is not to discard the possibility of external interference, yet to attribute all the grievances of a nation to foreign interference is insulting.

The situation in Balochistan is not identical to that of Bangladesh. The geographical constraints and political atmosphere dictate that Balochistan is unlikely to follow the trajectory of Bangladesh. The present federal government has taken steps in the right direction. The new National Finance Commission Award, the holding of a cabinet meeting in Gwadar and the announcement of the Aaghaz-e-Huqooq-e-Balochistan package are all measures aimed at pacifying the Baloch demands. However, perhaps the most significant factor remains missing — trust. Nations, like individuals, do not appreciate being either mistrusted or misunderstood. Bengalis were both mistrusted and misunderstood for 25 years, and so have been the Baloch for almost six decades now.

In May 1958, right-wing Frenchmen and their sympathisers in the army seized control of Algeria, which was then a French colony. A civil war seemed imminent. The future of the French Republic and the state seemed precarious. A few days after the May coup, the French government — the Fourth Republic — collapsed, and parliament called on Charles de Gaulle to help form a new government, the Fifth Republic. He asked for and was granted full powers for four months. Just days after becoming the head of government, De Gaulle flew to Algeria. Robert Greene narrates the details of De Gaulle’s first speech in Algeria. The first speech he gave in Algeria was before thousands of Algerians, both French Algerians and native Algerians. De Gaulle did not lay out a detailed plan of granting Algeria autonomy, and what he will do for them. Instead, he lowered his arms until silence fell, and then opened them wide, and slowly intoned, in his deep voice, “Je vous ai compris” (I have understood you). There was a moment of silence, and then, as his words sank in, a deafening roar — he understood them. That was all they needed to hear. Algeria was subsequently granted independence and the French Republic flourished, making it one of the greatest powers of the world under De Gaulle.

The Baloch, Hazaras and Seraikis need to be understood. They need to be trusted. We owe an apology to them. Their legitimate demands are to be complied with. Yet it should be realised that legislative packages alone will not suffice. Our leaders need to follow De Gaulle’s precedent and not evade issues, and use sincerity, even if they choose to use it for utilitarian reasons.

The writer is a lawyer based in Lahore.
Other than the facts mentioned in the write up, i will term the theme and the miserable attempt to bring Bangladesh and Balochistan into perspective as a bee ess.

Anybody who does not agree, can ask and we can debate it out.
 
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