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Pakistan's rhetoric on Kashmir does not match reality and has Illusions

all the people who are saying that pro freedom moment i dieing ... when u ask them if they will allow a referendum ...their answer will tell u their hypocrisy ... if india is so confident that kashmiris love them why dont they allow a referendum and solve the problem once for all // after the referendum , it will no more be a disputed territory and even the separatist will shut up ... i their heart they know kashmirs hate the, from the core of their heart
 
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Ok if Pakistan attacked Kashmir and tried to took control over there and india came for rescue :crazy_pilot: then why India is not giving indepandace to their controlled Kashmir and why Kashmiris are against india. And why has india deployed it's 700000 army in Kashmir. And why india is not conducting fair referendum in Kashmir to decide wether Kashmiri wants to join Pakistan, india or wants independance.
Because India came to their rescue ONLY on the condition that they become part of India - we did not want to go about fighting for foreign countries, in 1948. The ruler of Kashmir soon signed the instrument of accession and acceeded Kashmir to India, just as many other princely states had done. Once it is part of our country, there is no question of any referendum.

As for soldiers:
1) We do not have 700,000 soldiers in Kashmir, the number is far less.
2) We need a high number of soldiers there because our neighbour covetes that state, and has fought four wars with us to take that state, and we want to prevent that from happening. Also, because we know that the most likely flashpoint in any future war is going to be Kashmir.
 
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Hohoho!! Joke and joker of the millennium :rofl:
Oye. We have already stolen 85000 sq km of your supposed territory. This is something else that due to your shameless nature you just don't feel the theft. :lol:
 
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By November 1947 Auchinleck, Supreme Commander based in New Delhi, being convinced that Indian Cabinet was seeking to destroy and undo Pakistan by economic and military means, was forced to resign. As the build-up of Indian forces in Jammu and Kashmir continued, Pakistan Army units were being hurriedly organized and equipped without any base for manufacture of ammunition, signal stores, equipment or vehicles. Simultaneously, Pakistan National Guards were raised from ex-servicemen and other volunteers along border areas to provide a second line of defence. By February 1948 Indian build up in Jammu and Kashmir reached five brigades plus, under two full-fledged division Headquarters. Our 101 Brigade, commanded by Brigadier Akbar Khan was rushed into the critical front to forestall and halt the Indian offensive along Uri-Muzaffarabad axis. In April 1948, Commander-in-Chief Pakistan Army appreciating the threats in the north along Muzaffarabad-Kohala axis, and in the south along Bhimber-Mirpur-Poonch axis further reinforced the front with elements of 7 Division to halt the Indian offensive at Chakothi. Reinforcements were rushed overnight to Tithwal sector to defend Muzaffarabad front 9(F) Division was also moved to reinforce 7 Division in Tithwal, Uri and Bagh sectors. 7 Division was thereafter moved to the southern front. In May Pakistan informed the United Nations of these moves. By June, Pakistan had five brigades in Jammu and Kashmir together with Azad Kashmir forces and elements of the para-military Frontier Corps, holding twelve Indian brigades (with 4 to 5 battalions each) supported by armour, artillery and Indian Air Force. Indian summer offensive was decisively beaten and halted. Some months later, two brigades of 8 Division from Quetta further reinforced Muzaffarabad-Uri front.

On 14 August 1948 , the first anniversary of Pakistan , General Headquarters sent the following message to the Quaid-e-Azam, “Loyal and grateful greetings from the Army on the first anniversary of Independence Day. We serve and shall serve Pakistan with all our hearts and souls. Pakistan and its Creator, Zindabad.” The Quaid-e-Azam was at that time in Quetta , fighting his own battle for survival against a deadly affliction. In December, Pakistan Army planned to go on the offensive, ‘Operation Venus', with 7 Division to cut off the main supply route at Beri Pattan Bridge area, and isolate Indian forces in Nowshera-Jhangar-Poonch sector. On 14 December, in a pre-attack artillery bombardment the Beri Pattan bridge area containing ammunition, rations, petrol and supplies in a two-mile area was totally destroyed together with Indian divisional Headquarter, isolating the Indian forces in that sector. The Indian Army was taken by surprise. At midnight on 30 December, India asked for ceasefire with effect from 1 January 1949 . Pakistan accepted, as the fate of Jammu and Kashmir had been taken over by the United Nations. By early 1949 Pakistan Army had completed its formative stage. It halted the Indian offensive and prevented it from totally over-running Jammu and Kashmir , and closing up to Pakistan 's vital border areas, thus ended the war in Jammu and Kashmir . Pakistan Army continued its reorganization. An ordnance factory to produce small arms and ammunition was established at Wah. The threat from India was by no means over. In spring of 1950 and again between July and October 1951 the Indian Army concentrated on Pakistan‘s borders and transgressed into Azad Kashmir and West Pakistan territory forty eight times. The Indian Air Force violated Pakistan 's air space thirty times thus bringing the two countries very close to another all out war through India 's coercive diplomacy and interventionist strategy.

Because India came to their rescue ONLY on the condition that they become part of India - we did not want to go about fighting for foreign countries, in 1948. The ruler of Kashmir soon signed the instrument of accession and acceeded Kashmir to India, just as many other princely states had done. Once it is part of our country, there is no question of any referendum.

As for soldiers:
1) We do not have 700,000 soldiers in Kashmir, the number is far less.
2) We need a high number of soldiers there because our neighbour covetes that state, and has fought four wars with us to take that state, and we want to prevent that from happening. Also, because we know that the most likely flashpoint in any future war is going to be Kashmir.

So basically india came there to help then they annexed that area. :smart:
 
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Hohoho!! Joke and joker of the millennium :rofl:

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So basically india came there to help then they annexed that area. :smart:
Nope. India came to help after they themselves acceeded to India. Do you understand the difference between annexation and accesion?

India did not put a single military boot in Kashmir until they signed the instrument of accession, and became part of India. Pakistan had already invaded that sovereign nation.
 
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Nope there is no difference but still they are different. A state ruler killing people and random people killing each other. Well there is huge difference.

Still waiting for the proof for these claims of yours regarding Kashmir.


Now since you have brought 1971 here I think Pakistani actions are further justified just like Indian actions were justified in 1971. Thanks for pointing this important point for me,. :)

It good that you have conceded that Pakistan was indeed massacring it population in 1971 and Indian invasion East pak was the justified.As far Kashmir what ever ruler of Kasmir did/didn't do(btw still waiting for you back up your claims) ,he wasn't our responsibility at that time.


We are not needy about anything. It is a struggle for the correcting a historic mistake(Indian's occupation of Kashmir). And this struggle will continue. :)[

See you keep contradicting yourself.

You accept you invaded independent state of Kashmir.
You accept you do not have legal document accession to Kashmir, where as we do ..so the only people occupying Kashmir are you.
 
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Akhand Bharat ... And now atoot ang :lol:
Yea well, hindus wanted to live as one and some muslims wanted separatism. Unity v/s exclusivity, which explains why hindus are stil living as one, whereas the muslims split again in 1971. And muslims can't live together peacefully anywhere unless under a dictatorship or secularism.

Yes, Hindus wanted it to be akhand - undivided, living together as one. What is nobler - living as one, or separatism?
 
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Ok lets believe your narrative for a minute

You do realize..those were partition days..riots were happening throughout India, Pakistan and the princely states or wherever Hindu and Sikh population were in contact.with Muslims population
There were riots happening in Pakistan too, Hindus and sikhs were being killed, yet India did not invade you to stop these, so how come you decided to invade the independent nation of Kashmir?

Just because they were smaller state, you thought you could get away with an invasion on the pretext 'riots'? Taught you a lesson didn't it.

And so do the Muslims in India as well as in Pakistan! Your assertions do not support what you are trying to put up.

Secondly Pakistan as a state did not invade Kashmir, It was the state of India that invaded Kashmir first (after instrument of accession). Needless to remind a standstill agreement was in place.
 
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And so do the Muslims in India as well as in Pakistan! Your assertions do not support what you are trying to put up.

Secondly Pakistan as a state did not invade Kashmir, It was the state of India that invaded Kashmir first (after instrument of accession). Needless to remind a standstill agreement was in place.

That's an inversion of history. The instrument of accession was signed in desperation by the ruler AFTER Pakistan tribals invaded and began plundering them. He only acceeded to India so as to get help in stopping the plunder. Otherwise, he wanted to remain independent.

(BTW, once a kingdom acceded, there is no question of invasion. Why would we invade a territory that has already acceded to us?)
 
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Still waiting for the proof for these claims of yours regarding Kashmir.

You never asked for any proof in the first place. Don't know why you are waitng. LOL. Anyways. Jammu massacre is famous and Kashmiris even remember it every year.

Anyways this seems to be a better link to define what happened in those days and how Hindu ruler instigated or helped in the massacre of Jammu muslims.

643 Christopher Snedden, The forgotten Poonch uprising of 1947

Read this too even though I doubt you have the morality to accept the truth.

1947-When Jammu’s Rivers Turned Red | Jammu Regional Muslim's Research Organisation

It good that you have conceded that Pakistan was indeed massacring it population in 1971 and Indian invasion East pak was the justified.As far Kashmir what ever ruler of Kasmir did/didn't do(btw still waiting for you back up your claims) ,he wasn't our responsibility at that time.

I am justifying our actions on your action. If you think Indian actions based on its propagated stories is justified then Pakistan actions based on its reasons is justified too. :)

See you keep contradicting yourself.

Only you can see the contradiction. I don't see it and neither nobody else.

You accept you invaded independent state of Kashmir.

Yes a state ruled by a ruthless ruler involved in oppressing his populace.

You accept you do not have legal document accession to Kashmir, where as we do

Since that agreement is signed by a ruler who was already controversial due to his oppressive such documents don't hold much weight for us. Situation in IOK is another reminder that document is bogus. Kashmiris themselves don't accept it.

Aur lanat tere insaan(maybe) hone pe....
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Anyways ignored from now. :lol:
 
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Nope. India came to help after they themselves acceeded to India. Do you understand the difference between annexation and accesion?

India did not put a single military boot in Kashmir until they signed the instrument of accession, and became part of India. Pakistan had already invaded that sovereign nation.

My friend let me remind you that when Soviet Union attacked Afghanistan, Soviet Union made a puppet government on that area to attack so that they don't resist. Anyway!! there were few areas which was controlled by muslims rulers but the population of that areas wanted to merge into india as majority of people were hindus. So those areas got merged into india. So the point is it was people who decides whether to join india or Pakistan it was not ruler, if it was rulers which decides whether to join Pak or india then the map of both countries would have been different for what is now. So in short If we wants to decide what our Kashmiri brothers wants then we should conduct fair referendum in order to solve this problem for good.
 
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lol somebody stop these **** ISI and PA paid robot. lol hadd hoti h bezzati kraane ki. US tumhari maarta aur tumse ghanta nhi hota, India tumhaari maar jaata aur ek new bachha bhi de jaata phir bhi tum ghanta nhi kr paate. Sorry dude but go and get your gender checked cause harkate to tumhari na hi mard waali aur na hi aurat ki lgti h :lol: Anyways enjoy your Mental WDs.

You never asked for any proof in the first place. Don't know why you are waitng. LOL. Anyways. Jammu massacre is famous and Kashmiris even remember it every year.

Anyways this seems to be a better link to define what happened in those days and how Hindu ruler instigated or helped in the massacre of Jammu muslims.

643 Christopher Snedden, The forgotten Poonch uprising of 1947



I am justifying our actions on your action. If you think Indian actions based on its propagated stories is justified then Pakistan actions based on its reasons is justified too. :)



Only you can see the contradiction. I don't see it and neither nobody else.



Yes a state ruled by a ruthless ruler involved in oppressing his populace.



Since that agreement is signed by a ruler who was already controversial due to his oppressive such documents don't hold much weight for us. Situation in IOK is another reminder that document is bogus. Kashmiris themselves don't accept it.


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Anyways ignored from now. :lol:
 
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