Pakistan's Real Problem [A Must Read]

[Ussaid]

Pakistan has rapidly fallen from the ranks of global powers since the war on terror of 2000's. Even though the country held Democratic elections(as fair as it is in South Asia) this year, things have been going downhill since the breaking of 2010's. People will debate for hours and hours over this matter, but nobody has the guts to point out at the real problem; religious influence.

First, I would like to acknowledge that I am a Muslim, and by all means a patriot.

While people in the west confuse him with Gandhi, Jinnah is equally important for the Indian freedom movement. Jinnah is mostly forgotten, even though he created a different country, and a whole new meaning of freedom itself. India was always there, but he created a different nation, an alternative form of India.

The most important thing in the ruling of a country is to NOT combine religious laws with country laws. Sure, there would be a few limited-minded people who will say "but pakistan is a islam country", that is untrue.

Religion is what a single man thinks of the world. A single man. And he has every right to change his mind, so religion should not be made the first priority when talking about a group of people. There is a law which says that if someone goes against Islam he would be killed, and that is barbarous.

People share different thoughts, so violence is not necessary. A country is where people live, not where religions live. We shouldn't care if they are hindus or chiristians, in fact which shouldn't even discuss religion. If a man think he is a real believer, than he should shut up and follow his faith, and let the non-believers burn in hell.

Second thing is, we should get a little less stupid. Youtube is banned in Pakistan, which is a shame. And the worst thing is because of this extremist behavior nobody wants to relate with us and we can't trade in the world market respectably, with the westerns making fun of us. We banned Pokemon because they looked like David's star, and thus was a "Jewish Conspiracy" even though they were made in Japan. Such a Shame.

Muhammad Ali Jinnah is what we need to be. Don't put religion before Pakistan, unless everyone in the world become Muslim

 

[third eye]

The real hero and leader of the 1940's Indian Continent freedom movement was Muhammad Ali Jinnah. While people in the west confuse him with Gandhi, Gandhi actually did nothing. In fact, there are many controversial topics surrounding him, while Jinnah is mostly forgotten, even though he created a different country, and a whole new meaning of freedom itself. India was always there, but he created a different nation, an alternative form of India.

This is where I stopped reading.

A ' Must read ' became a Must not read.

 

[Ussaid]

This is where I stopped reading.

A ' Must read ' became a Must not read.

When though it was a shade of my own opinion thrown in there, I have nether less removed the parts about Gandhi.

Best Regards,

 

[Anubis]

This is where I stopped reading.

A ' Must read ' became a Must not read.

Would you agree that Netaji did more than anybody else for our independence?

 

[vsdave2302]

Pakistan has rapidly fallen from the ranks of global powers since the war on terror of 2000's. Even though the country held Democratic elections(as fair as it is in South Asia) this year, things have been going downhill since the breaking of 2010's. People will debate for hours and hours over this matter, but nobody has the guts to point out at the real problem; religious influence.

First, I would like to acknowledge that I am a Muslim, and by all means a patriot.

The real hero and leader of the 1940's Indian Continent freedom movement was Muhammad Ali Jinnah. While people in the west confuse him with Gandhi. Jinnah is mostly forgotten, even though he created a different country, and a whole new meaning of freedom itself. India was always there, but he created a different nation, an alternative form of India.

The most important thing in the ruling of a country is to NOT combine religious laws with country laws. Sure, there would be a few limited-minded people who will say "but pakistan is a islam country", that is untrue.

Religion is what a single man thinks of the world. A single man. And he has every right to change his mind, so religion should not be made the first priority when talking about a group of people. There is a law which says that if someone goes against Islam he would be killed, and that is barbarous.

People share different thoughts, so violence is not necessary. A country is where people live, not where religions live. We shouldn't care if they are hindus or chiristians, in fact which shouldn't even discuss religion. If a man think he is a real believer, than he should shut up and follow his faith, and let the non-believers burn in hell.

Second thing is, we should get a little less stupid. Youtube is banned in Pakistan, which is a shame. And the worst thing is because of this extremist behavior nobody wants to relate with us and we can't trade in the world market respectably, with the westerns making fun of us. We banned Pokemon because they looked like David's star, and thus was a "Jewish Conspiracy" even though they were made in Japan. Such a Shame.

Muhammad Ali Jinnah is what we need to be. Don't put religion before Pakistan, unless everyone in the world become Muslim

He was a British agent who used to receive 6.5 lakh rupees from Britishers to run a movement for Pakistan. He maintained a lavish lifestyle out of that money. He died in suspicious circumstance. Pakistanis who know history do not give him much respect.

 

[acid rain]

Jinnah was a great influence in Pakistan but had nothing much to do in India's independence movement which was led and won by millions of Indian freedom fighters.

 

[Ussaid]

He was a British agent who used to receive 6.5 lakh rupees from Britishers to run a movement for Pakistan. He maintained a lavish lifestyle out of that money. He died in suspicious circumstance. Pakistanis who know history do not give him much respect.

I believe your source would be.....? How do you claim to know something that happened before you were even born?

Jinnah was a great influence in Pakistan but had nothing much to do in India's independence movement which was led and won by millions of Indian freedom fighters.

Yes, that is true. But India was always there, and would always be, but what Jinnah did was to actually oppose to it and insist that Muslims get another country.

India and Pakistan are basically siblings, India the elder brother and Pakistan the younger brother. India insists that he is older than Pakistan, but Pakistan counters by saying they are the same. But the rivalry is much more cruel, and there is certainly no love-lost between us.

 

[third eye]

Would you agree that Netaji did more than anybody else for our independence?

My views are as follows:

The Brits left because Post WW 2 it had become financially impossible to sustain the Empire. Had they so decided they could have hung on for longer.

Gandhi, The Congress party & Netaji - all contributed to hastening the departure in their own ways. Netaji's approach was more direct & aggressive which was also necessary for it showed the Brits that Indians were not only non violent & could play hell into the system.

It would be unfair to place the efforts of one over the other.

 

[Ussaid]

Lets not go off-topic, shall we?

 

[acetophenol]

Pakistan has rapidly fallen from the ranks of global powers since the war on terror of 2000's. Even though the country held Democratic elections(as fair as it is in South Asia) this year, things have been going downhill since the breaking of 2010's. People will debate for hours and hours over this matter, but nobody has the guts to point out at the real problem; religious influence.

First, I would like to acknowledge that I am a Muslim, and by all means a patriot.

The real hero and leader of the 1940's Indian Continent freedom movement was Muhammad Ali Jinnah. While people in the west confuse him with Gandhi. Jinnah is mostly forgotten, even though he created a different country, and a whole new meaning of freedom itself. India was always there, but he created a different nation, an alternative form of India.

The most important thing in the ruling of a country is to NOT combine religious laws with country laws. Sure, there would be a few limited-minded people who will say "but pakistan is a islam country", that is untrue.

Religion is what a single man thinks of the world. A single man. And he has every right to change his mind, so religion should not be made the first priority when talking about a group of people. There is a law which says that if someone goes against Islam he would be killed, and that is barbarous.

People share different thoughts, so violence is not necessary. A country is where people live, not where religions live. We shouldn't care if they are hindus or chiristians, in fact which shouldn't even discuss religion. If a man think he is a real believer, than he should shut up and follow his faith, and let the non-believers burn in hell.

Second thing is, we should get a little less stupid. Youtube is banned in Pakistan, which is a shame. And the worst thing is because of this extremist behavior nobody wants to relate with us and we can't trade in the world market respectably, with the westerns making fun of us. We banned Pokemon because they looked like David's star, and thus was a "Jewish Conspiracy" even though they were made in Japan. Such a Shame.

Muhammad Ali Jinnah is what we need to be. Don't put religion before Pakistan, unless everyone in the world become Muslim

If its an article written by you yourselves,Nice job my friend. I don't agree with the Gandhi part though,freedom was won to us by a group of great men,just not an individual.
AND A QUESTION
If you want pakistan to be a country not giving preference to a single religion,what was the point of forming a separate nation at the first time?

 

[IND151]

My views are as follows:

The Brits left because Post WW 2 it had become financially impossible to sustain the Empire. Had they so decided they could have hung on for longer.

Gandhi, The Congress party & Netaji - all contributed to hastening the departure in their own ways. Netaji's approach was more direct & aggressive which was also necessary for it showed the Brits that Indians were not only non violent & could play hell into the system.

It would be unfair to place the efforts of one over the other.

The knew since 1930s that their days are numbered

On Topic> Two good threads in one day....nice

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...ilway-gift-other-gifts-india.html#post4033146

 

[Ussaid]

If its an article written by you yourselves,Nice job my friend. I don't agree with the Gandhi part though,freedom was won to us by a group of great men,just not an individual.
AND A QUESTION
If you want pakistan to be a country not giving preference to a single religion,what was the point of forming a separate nation at the first time?

The forming was the nation was so that Muslims and Hindus would be separated and wouldn't fight with each other. And this is exactly what I want! Religion to be departed, not related with each other. And over the years Pakistan has grown to become something more than a country made for religion. It doesn't even hold any famous landmarks which Muslims form around the world visit.

Having a particular religion getting an advantage on the other will cause hostility, and this was why Pakistan and India were made! To reduce hostility!

It is now a common knowledge that the world right now is ruled by atheist, and they think we are strange, and we can't survive without their support. Most of the scientist are atheists, and by forcing sharia laws over them, they will just run away.

In in the end the point is that two religions in one place cause war, especially if one if getting advantage over the other. And yes, Jinnah didn't created India, but his party created Pakistan.

EDIT: I have removed the typo I noticed in my article.

 

[acetophenol]

The forming was the nation was so that Muslims and Hindus would be separated and wouldn't fight with each other. And this is exactly what I want! Religion to be departed, not related with each other. And over the years Pakistan has grown to become something more than a country made for religion. It doesn't even hold any famous landmarks which Muslims form around the world visit.

Having a particular religion getting an advantage on the other will cause hostility, and this was why Pakistan and India were made! To reduce hostility!

It is now a common knowledge that the world right now is ruled by atheist, and they think we are strange, and we can't survive without their support. Most of the scientist are atheists, and by forcing sharia laws over them, they will just run away.

In in the end the point is that two religions in one place cause war, especially if one if getting advantage over the other. And yes, Jinnah didn't created India, but his party created Pakistan.

EDIT: I have removed the typo I noticed in my article.

Even during partition,India had more muslims than pakistan ever had. Indian muslims have been living prosperous peacefully with other religions ever since,without any hostilities.

 

[Ussaid]

Even during partition,India had more muslims than pakistan ever had. Indian muslims have been living prosperous peacefully with other religions ever since,without any hostilities.

I wouldn't agree on the "without any hostilities" part, from what I have heard/read.

Even if they are living peacefully every since, if I highly doubt, Hinduism have greater power over them, especially considering the more powerful men. There is always a chance that a spark can raise a awfully big fire, and history has shown it many times. Bombay bombing being an example.

 

[genmirajborgza786]

Even during partition,India had more muslims than pakistan ever had. Indian muslims have been living prosperous peacefully with other religions ever since,without any hostilities.

if you are referring to before partition then yes, but if you are referring to after partition then no, its not true Pakistan @ that time had nearly 70 million muslims out of the total 100 million muslims of the Indo-Pak subcontinent , 30 million in west Pakistan & 40 million in east Pakistan even today the areas which separated from India ( remember there were not one but two areas which separated from India in 1947) (present day Pakistan & Bangladesh has more muslim population in them as compare to India) 320 million out of the 510 million resides in present day Pakistan (near 200 million) & Bangladesh (120 million) as compare to the 190 to 200 million in India