Pakistan's Nuclear Submarine Development | News and Discussions

[PakShaheen79]

Well, as per latest interview of Naval Chief of Pakistan, PN is yet to decide on submarine acquisition so I am unable to understand why we are discussing it all.

Coming towards topic, I think PN must go for Nuclear subs in long term plans but for Pakistan's sake please decide something on SSKs. (Germans/ Chinese/ French ??? ) anything ... but do it quickly as these deals take lot of time to be materialized.

 

[Mav3rick]

I bet they are going so bankrupt soviet style soon....
Increasing defence budget is asking for trouble ouch
Pakistan cannot get nuke sub from china as they have signed NPT!
They have to make it on their own which needs research facilities which pakistan cant afford.
Please I am not trolling, I am just stating the facts

If that is indeed the case, how come China built 2 Nuclear Power Plants in Pakistan and is building yet another?

 

[Super Falcon]

hope it is true not like U 214 only taking nothing happened this is what pakistan only talk

 

[Edevelop]

We don't need frigates and they are useless and are just like committing suicide. i don't think any ship can stop an incoming missile towards you overhead.

Just submarines will do the job defensively and offensivley... They will sink whatever is above waters.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

The only major advantage of Nuclear submarine is that it can stay at ocean long duration vs Traditional submarine that stays out for 2-3 month missions

Come to think of it tradition 6 Chinese submarines are sufficient enough

But if we can locally produce Submarines its wonderful

 

[vijayjha]

india is doing same thing to pakistan what USA did to USSR
let the enemy state follow you in arm race then increase the defence budget by growing economy the hostile state will be forced to follow the same and will crash like USSR

 

[Nishan_101]

Pakistan Navy could only surprise the IN, if they have started working on the third Shipyard at KE&SW as well they have started work on building the Ormara as their central Naval Base along with some 3 Bigger Shipyards and other secret facilities there. Although there are planned 2-3 Bigger shipyards at Gawadar but we should had looked towards Karachi and Ormara first as they are fesible. I am sure if the Navy had tooked these measures in 2000 along with GoP then the situation would be different. More over they should have upgraded the two Agosta-70s in 2004-2006 then it would provided them the capability they need now and joint the Germans with their U-212/U-214 Submarines that would enhance our Navy.

 

[Zarvan]

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thats wt i hate, instead of planning its future (education, minority rights, health care), its planning/expecting a war i hope our politicians get their s*** straight soon

Sir when you have neighbour like India you need to be always prepared for WAR development can only take place when you are safe when you are always in fear you can't even have any kind of development what is happening to our brothers in Palestine Kashmir Checnnya and Afghanistan proves the point

 

[Black Widow]

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Sir when you have neighbour like India you need to be always prepared for WAR development can only take place when you are safe when you are always in fear you can't even have any kind of development what is happening to our brothers in Palestine Kashmir Checnnya and Afghanistan proves the point

neighbour like India,What do you mean by it??? Does India imposed war on you?

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

The only major advantage of Nuclear submarine is that it can stay at ocean long duration vs Traditional submarine that stays out for 2-3 month missions

Come to think of it tradition 6 Chinese submarines are sufficient enough

But if we can locally produce Submarines its wonderful

Not major difference but a very huge difference. Diesel submarines always need to come on surface in 1-2 months, Hence Easy target for the enemy, While Nuclear powered submarines are very very fast, it can go international waters undetected for years. Hence 1 nuclear powered. submarine posses more threat than the whole 6 diesel submarines with nuclear tipped missile. Diesel submarines are thrice slower than the nuclear powered submarines

 

[hembo]

This is what I wrote in another forum:

Indian Nuclear Sub was not aimed at Pakistan & has a complete different role then what some of the Pakistanis would like to believe.

However, if along with serving its designated role, the sub can trigger a frenzy & sort of desperate arm race in Pakistan, its all good. Pakistan will exhaust most of their defence budget over a non-issue, hence the widening gap between our respective defence capabilities will further deepen.

Procurement of one nuke-Sub = One year of current defence budget of Pakistan.

Maintenance of one nuke Sub = 1/2 of a year of current defence budget of Pakistan.

Ek Goli- Do Shikaar!!

 

[deckingraj]

Not major difference but a very huge difference. Diesel submarines always need to come on surface in 1-2 months, Hence Easy target for the enemy, While Nuclear powered submarines are very very fast, it can go international waters undetected for years. Hence 1 nuclear powered. submarine posses more threat than the whole 6 diesel submarines with nuclear tipped missile. Diesel submarines are thrice slower than the nuclear powered submarines

But are you expecting a 2-3 month long war with India??? Once again Arihant has nothing to do with you....We need it because we want to be a true blue water navy.... it will operate somewhere in our eastern front so that mainland china stays somewhat in range...As far as India-Pak scenario is concerned we don't need a nuclear submarine to nuke you neither our wars are going to last for months..On top of that the proximity b/w us makes a diesel submarine as deadly as a nuclear powered one.....Having said that as a true enemy i would love to see a nuclear power submarine in our navy...because it will bleed you with lot of money..a perfect case of white elephant!!!

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

But are you expecting a 2-3 month long war with India??? Once again Arihant has nothing to do with you....We need it because we want to be a true blue water navy.... it will operate somewhere in our eastern front so that mainland china stays somewhat in range...As far as India-Pak scenario is concerned we don't need a nuclear submarine to nuke you neither our wars are going to last for months..On top of that the proximity b/w us makes a diesel submarine as deadly as a nuclear powered one.....Having said that as a true enemy i would love to see a nuclear power submarine in our navy...because it will bleed you with lot of money..a perfect case of white elephant!!!

Thanks for Long disagreement. I just replied him. I also hate nuclear weapons. But You are getting 3-5 nuclear powered submarines in coming years which is also threat for Pakistan. Also we have threats from thousand miles away. To keep the civilians safe and for minimum deterrence policy, Nuclear powered submarine is needed. If not now, then b/w 2016-2025. This is the only elite weapon which can reach thousand miles away with faster speed and high possibility of undetection. This weapon will keep the enemy away to invade us. Also India should not worry for Pak nuclear powered submarine. This will be for peaceful purpose to keep the enemy away. 25% work is already done about nuclear propulsion system from 1998.

 

[Awesome]

They don't actually need a nuclear submarine.

When Kayani came in, one of the first things he entrusted the Naval Chief to do was that to ensure when war breaks out, India is unable to attack from the coast, which saw the emergence of the C-602 coastal defence system, the frigates, P3Cs and so on. It was a matter of time before Pakistan decided to go after the Indian Aircraft carrier.

The benefits of a nuclear submarine would provide for longer range, quiet sneak attacks and eliminate the need for surface emergence.

 

[karan21]

Thanks for Long disagreement. I just replied him. I also hate nuclear weapons. But You are getting 3-5 nuclear powered submarines in coming years which is also threat for Pakistan. Also we have threats from thousand miles away. To keep the civilians safe and for minimum deterrence policy, Nuclear powered submarine is needed. If not now, then b/w 2016-2025. This is the only elite weapon which can reach thousand miles away with faster speed and high possibility of undetection. This weapon will keep the enemy away to invade us. Also India should not worry for Pak nuclear powered submarine. This will be for peaceful purpose to keep the enemy away. 25% work is already done about nuclear propulsion system from 1998.QUOTE]

please provide a link about that. how u reached a number like 25 and since when pak got that talented engineers to do this job? than you