Design feature for the primary beneficiary- problem for the other 220 million except 219.8 dont realize it.I would agree, except that I would regard what you describe as an intended design feature, and not a problem.
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Design feature for the primary beneficiary- problem for the other 220 million except 219.8 dont realize it.I would agree, except that I would regard what you describe as an intended design feature, and not a problem.
Design feature for the primary beneficiary- problem for the other 220 million except 219.8 dont realize it.
Ignorance is blissThat is a fair comment, but then again, a problem that is not realized as a problem, is not really a problem, is it?
Ignorance is bliss
If I may posit what I believe. Feel free to correct me if you think its wrong.Even with forex it won't happen. I don't think you guys understand what has happened in Pakistan. Brutal fact is Pakistan does NOT have any industry in the real sense. This is how Pakistan survives.
This is Pakistan economic formula. Countries idles away living off remitance dollars and food grown by poor farmers. End off.
- farmers work their backsides to provide most of the food that feeds the country earning just enough to survive because of low productivity/quality
- poor workers go abroad and they bring dollars via remittances
- loans are taken from IMF etc for dollars. Grants from geo-strategic deals end up in military subsidies that pays for shiny toys.
Pakistanis to a large extent believe their purpose is to be an 'Islam ka Qila', live their lives for the glory of Islam and defeat a Hindu India. The Pakistani state is a reflection of that desire. The secondary or good to have benefit is making the lives of Pakistanis better. There is a reason why Pakistan is a security state. It is an outward-looking state with its primary goals being religious and/or territorial.
The Pakistanis do not express their nation's purpose as uplifting them.
Pakistanis have a purpose and they are achieving it beautifully.
So unless, in the minds of the people, the purpose of the Pakistani state changes from the glory of Islam to a more inward-focused, improving the lives of the people idea, it will be difficult to make Pakistan the next hong kong/Dubai or for that matter even an upper-middle-income country.
If I may posit what I believe. Feel free to correct me if you think its wrong.
The meta point that comes out of all this is 'purpose'. Pakistanis to a large extent believe their purpose is to be an 'Islam ka Qila', live their lives for the glory of Islam and defeat a Hindu India. The Pakistani state is a reflection of that desire. The secondary or good to have benefit is making the lives of Pakistanis better. There is a reason why Pakistan is a security state. It is an outward-looking state with its primary goals being religious and/or territorial.
To further elaborate my point - even when you talk with Pakistanis on this forum, they express their nation's purpose as checkmating and ultimately defeating India. This is reflected in statements like 'if we all die by MAD, Muslims will continue to live in other countries but Hindus will not'. The Pakistanis do not express their nation's purpose as uplifting them. Contrast this with Indians and Bangladeshis where the general purpose of our state is usually considered to be to take care of the people, not achieve territorial or religious goals. Since all three countries have extremely large populations, you will find significant exceptions to the above but they are not the norm and the State's priorities are reflections of that. The secondary or an optional aim of Pakistanis is to get rich/improve lives. Therefore it is a 'good to have', not a 'must have'.
So unless, in the minds of the people, the purpose of the Pakistani state changes from the glory of Islam to a more inward-focused, improving the lives of the people idea, it will be difficult to make Pakistan the next hong kong/Dubai or for that matter even an upper-middle-income country.
To be sure and clear, I don't mean that any of the factors I've written about above are a bad thing. Pakistanis have a purpose and they are achieving it beautifully. Pakistan punches way above its country size and economic weight and consistently checkmate's India. It is a credit to Pakistan and Pakistanis to be able to achieve that.
@VCheng, @Baibars_1260 . Would appreciate your input on the hypothesis as well.
Well to be fair, the Islam we Pakistanis believe in is the one where we get to critique others, measure pant and beard lengths, and hit the streets to protest stuff we didn't correctly understand.Correction: This what they are TOLD is their purpose. Whether they beleive it or not is another matter.
Yes, they do, by migrating and doing extremely well.
That is true, both inside and outside the country.
That cannot be allowed to happen, as it would upset the status quo.
Nothing is the word that comes to mind when talking about industry in Pakistan. I do not expect anything major to change as the rot runs deep. This is not about industry. This is about a parasite that has taken root whose goal is to suck the blood out of the animal. The governments only role [PTI,PML,PPP,Army] is to temper the parasite from killing the animal by sucking all the blood. Governments past and present merely tweak the system so that it survives, just about survives.There is still nothing
Well to be fair, the Islam we Pakistanis believe in is the one where we get to critique others, measure pant and beard lengths, and hit the streets to protest stuff we didn't correctly understand.
But if you're talking about the Islam that requires self-critique, 'ehsaan in worldly affairs (e.g., when the Prophet PBUH told the farmers they're the experts in their trade), and treating others as human...then no, we don't like that Islam.
No.So unless, in the minds of the people, the purpose of the Pakistani state changes from the glory of Islam to a more inward-focused, improving the lives of the people idea, it will be difficult to make Pakistan the next hong kong/Dubai or for that matter even an upper-middle-income country.
@RobbieNo.
That’s the absurdly simplistic view of Pakistan’s ills through the Pakistani leftist/fringe liberal and pro-India lens. Those that detest Pakistan and/or the religiosity in Pakistan and/or Pakistan’s stubborn refusal to capitulate to India find it (religion) a convenient scapegoat to blame all of Pakistan’s ills and in the process have largely lost any relevance to influence Pakistan’s policy making and reform outside of Western/Indian media outlets & social media.
this is why we have different ministries, and divisions under those ministries to look into different matters. from food security to textile, from mining to steel production, and from steel production to parts and machinery production. unfortunately, none of the ministers have enough brains to make their ministries work, they only want protocol and employment for their people, and none of the civil servants look beyond their personal interests.Nothing is the word that comes to mind when talking about industry in Pakistan. I do not expect anything major to change as the rot runs deep. This is not about industry. This is about a parasite that has taken root whose goal is to suck the blood out of the animal. The governments only role [PTI,PML,PPP,Army] is to temper the parasite from killing the animal by sucking all the blood. Governments past and present merely tweak the system so that it survives, just about survives.
Just one measure I think describes Pakistamni industry. Ever since advent of the industrial era iron and steel have been crucial. You look around at the modern world. Houses, buildings, cars, trains, tables bridges, knives, bicycles, guns, tanks, ships, fridges, cookers etc etc are made of steel.
Steel is everywhere, in your home, in your office, in your car, in your built environment. Look at any battle scene and you will see charred steel. It's clear no country can go very far without steel. It is mother industry.
Now the facts. Did you know India produces nearly 40 times more steel then Pakistan. Iran produces 10 times more steel then Pakistan. Even fcukin Bangladesh produces 3 times more steel then Pakistan. This is faceplam time. What else can we say?
List of countries by steel production - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Sorry, I disagree. You can choose to call me whatever [libtard,westoxified,etc,etc] but while blaming everything on religion is is absurd because such a subject cannot be reduced to a binary. However with this caveat out of the way religion is a major impediment and part of the problem.The issue here isn’t religious ideology or the State’s ideology, it’s a matter of a broken system & poor leadership that has exacerbated the problems facing the country over decades.