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Pakistan's eternal quest for 'strategic balance' with India

@ Auz-------------Consolidate Western border , finish off terrorists
Just wanted to say, its not going to be a cake walk, give it atleast 3 years after 2014 when NATO leaves, to get rid of this situation. These terrorists according to you defeated USSR and NATO, how are you supposed to do it in the time I mentioned. This is not enough for hat.

Can you explain strategic moves rather than inventing new drinks....:bad:

Well , Afghans/Pushtoons fought "foreigners" ... Pakistan aint no foreigner here....

We have the LARGEST pushtoon population in the world. These terrorists only find space in Pakistan because people in tribal area think that they are fighting against the enemy of "pushtoon" (America)...Once America leaves , these terrorists will HAVE TO quit terrorist activities ....or...they'll get utterly slaughtered by 13 million armed tribes men of FATA (Which are very patriotic).... I know it will take time , but you make a parallel of Pakistan with USSR/USA is wrong.
 
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A new lens on Pakistan

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For decades, an expressed desire for parity with India and a defence doctrine predicated on "strategic depth to the West" in case of a conflict with India shaped Pakistani responses to the issues in its neighbourhood. This also put Pakistan on the path of becoming a national security state as defence took over the focus from the welfare of people.

Both the notions - parity with India and strategic depth - continue to dominate foreign discourse about Pakistan. Indian and Afghan writers particularly criticize Pakistan by invoking these two concepts, realizing little that the burden of circumstances - a bloody security crisis stretching from the north to the south and a crippling economy - have not only enforced a much-needed departure from the flawed notions, but also brought the GHQ and the parliament (through the Parliamentary Committee on National Security) closer than ever.

Things will certainly not change if the world takes the Pakistani security paradigm to be static and sees the military establishment as a machine that keeps performing programmed functions regardless of the changing environment.

The Indian narrative in particular is wrapped in cliches that hardly reflect the ground realities of the present day Pakistan - an embattled country, struggling to a) fend off several challenges to its security and b) survive economic adversity arising out of the security crisis spanning the last ten years.

Aparna Pande's Pakistan's Eternal Quest for 'Strategic Balance' is one such example. It seems like Indian analysts draw pleasure from Pakistan's current woes, and invoke all possible scenarios to disparage Islamabad. "Pakistan's eternal search for military parity or 'strategic balance' with a much larger neighbour has drained most of its resources without providing the security Pakistanis crave."

Ms Pande cites the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists 2011 to assert that Pakistan's nuclear arsenal is now the fourth largest in the world and ahead of countries like the United Kingdom. She says Pakistan has consistently refused to sign the Fissile Material Cutoff Treaty (FMCT). This she does to the total exclusion of India, which itself is shy of NPT and the FMCT.

Ms Pande's arguments also overlook that all states, like human beings, tend to secure their flanks. A country may wrap the idea in its own jargon but the basic philosophy revolves around the desire to have a secure and stable neighbourhood. History offers a plenty of examples of that. The US did that in Cuba in 1962 and forced the Soviet Union to remove nuclear missiles from Cuba. It even supported the jihad in Afghanistan in the 1980s and then began a war on terror in 2001. India exhibited similar behavior in 1971 by supporting the Awami League and its militant wings in what was then East Pakistan. It also backed the Nepalese government in dealing with Maoists. Pakistan tried this in Kashmir in the 1980s and 1990s, and in Afghanistan through Pashtun proxies beginning in the mid-1970s through to the 1990s. But Pakistan's policy eventually backfired, bringing enormous existential challenges for Pakistan itself.

Universally, states do seek parity with other states. If that were not the case, why would India jack up its defence budget to over $40 billion - an almost 18 percent increase - in an apparent attempt to catch up with China? Isn't it a quest for parity with China? One also tends to ask as to what led to some 30 armed insurgencies across northeastern India, particularly Assam, Meghalaya, Tripura, Arunachal Pradesh, Mizoram, Manipur, Nagaland and Kashmir? What gave birth to about 68 major groups in India designated as terrorists? Nobody talks about the UNDP report that says around 37 percent of Indian population is living below the poverty line (more or less the same as Pakistan).

Pakistan's security-centric paradigm, on the other hand, remains under the spotlight, primarily because of the decline it has endured on the security and economic front. Its problems are rooted primarily in the cold-war era, when its cunning general Ziaul Haq volunteered to serve as the front-line state for the US-sponsored jihad against the Soviet Union. This earned Ziaul Haq the legitimacy as well as the brazen authority to inject "Islamism" in the constitution, and hence set in motion a process that has culminated in the multiple crises that the country faces today.

The Pakistani military establishment's approval for a most-favoured-nation status for India indicates a paradigm shift. The army general headquarters had for decades been bent on denying India regional economic linkages via Pakistan.

Senior civilian and military leaders do not stress parity with India or on Pakistan's older strategic depth paradigm any longer. They realize that the tools Pakistan had used for implementing the strategic depth, sich as Hekmatyar or Mullah Omar, are of little value in taking care of Pakistan's interests in Afghanistan. They realize that the international community is not leaving Afghanistan lock stock and barrel, and even if it did, three Taliban factions cannot be expected to recapture the government in Kabul. At best, these proxies could possibly serve as spoilers in the peace process, but to expect them to sacrifice their lives and compromise their mission for the sake of Pakistan's questionable and outdated doctrine of strategic depth is utterly naive.

No dispute however that "Pakistan's core strategic interests and its long-term salvation lie in political stability, a growing and regionally-linked economy, and policies that centre on its people rather than tools of a security state."
 
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Hold a plebiscite in Kashmir and let them live in freedom.

What is stopping you from giving freedom to GB and Azad Kashmir?

Go back to the border that actually existed before you occupied undefended portion of Siachen.

The solution to Siachen is in understanding that North means North, not North-East.
 
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What is stopping you from giving freedom to GB and AJ&K?



The solution to Siachen is in understanding that North means North, not North-East.

Gigit Baltistan had opted to join Pakistan in 47/48 and is not in any contention. The solution of AJ&K is linked to plebiscite in IOK. When India holds plebiscite in IOK, it will happen in AJ&K as well.

When you say North, it means anywhere in the geographical North. And the geographical North includes, North East East to North West West.
 
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Pakistanis should ask this honest questions to themselves why India's other neighbours are not having eternal quest for strategic balance with India.
 
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Pakistanis should ask this honest questions to themselves why India's other neighbours are not having eternal quest for strategic balance with India.

First of all Pakistan has already achieved the strategic balance with India, and that is what pinches Indians to the core. Secondly, how can we answer for other countries. Go ask them yourself. But at the end of the day Pakistan had the resolve and the will to rise to the level, others may not have it or may not have the resources to challenge India. I assure you though, people of all these countries hate the Indians and you know it.

Indians should ask this honest question to themselves as to why all of India's neighbours hate India so much and would rise to counter India whenever they could gain the resources.
 
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Siachen ....

Oh no. You didn’t tell us that you were coming. That’s cheating and that’s how you occupied the un-occupied territory.

If we had known in time, you wouldn’t have reached where you are now. But then now that you are there – stay there. Simple.
Dude, your army planned to occupy the place too, this is all drama since you guys reached late..
Impinging .....

Pakistan – many times.
What a joke.. it has always be other way round.

Sri Lank – sent your forces there to control your own raised LTTE terrorists and they killed hundreds of your troops. The Sri Lankan asked you to get out and you guys are still licking your wounds to such an insult.
If you do not know we helped them remove LTTE too, maybe you missed that part.
Nepal – how many times have you blocked their right to transportation being a land-locked country. You have territorial disputes with them. Many people say that you guys were involved in murdering the royal family, including your own media.

Maldieves – you guys created disturbances and then sent troops.

Bangladesh – Territorial disputes. Regular border firing incidents. Accuse them of providing sanctuary to Indian terrorists.
Please back your claim about the above using neutral sources not blown up media reports or op-eds...

Is there anybody left – ah yes China. They had your hide in 1962 and since then, you abuse them all the time.
We abuse CHINA this is news to me :cheesy:
Bollywood .....

I agree. Kanjaron ka yehi kaam hai.
and you wanted to get dirty with these ******... says a lot about you! :woot:

Ah democracy ....

We also have a democracy – when they **** up a lot, we send our army to sort them out.
In a democracy people sort out not the army.

Have you not heard, Pakistan is not a state that has an army, but an army that has a state! Go figure :cheesy:
 
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India launched its first indigenously-built nuclear submarine INS Arihant. Pakistan's reaction was to term the Indian move as "detrimental" to regional peace and need to take "appropriate steps" to maintain a "strategic balance." Within a few days close ally China delivered the first of four state-of-the-art F-22 P frigates to Pakistan ostensibly to help repair the imbalance.

Yes, F22-P was ready on the shelf that China delivered it within days, it was already in the pipeline.

As I have argued in my book Explaining Pakistan's Foreign Policy
That explains it - hes trying to sell a book.
 
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They already have Nuclear weapons, classfied as Strategic Weapons in most cases. Thus, Pakistan does have Strategic Balance with India. What the Author probably meant was conventional Strategic Balance like international influence, economy or conventional weaponry or so...............Since comparison in that isn't possible, no use discussing this topic.
Case dismissed:guns:
 
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samantiktik bha ji ya bhen ji,

enna ghussa na karo bha ji, blood pressure ho jaoo. In Siachen, we did the drama and reached late. Chalo bha ji der ayed durust ayed. They stopped you where you are. Hun Siachen wich baraf de golay khao te maujan lutto.

oh it is we who impinged on you. good that we keep you guys in your place. baaki saaray mulk chotay hein na, aisay layee asi panga le lenay aa.

Oh so now you claim that it was India who defeated LTTE and poor Sri Lankans just appreciated Indian support. yaar akhiyan khol shayed khwab tak riha ein

kadi kadi gal man wi leya karo badshao.

you dont abuse china. chalo thik aa. na manno.

saaray hinustani bollywood de naal dirty dancing karday aa. what does that say about all of you Indians.

It is the people of Pakistan who have a state, the politicians have a state, the Army have a state and all because Pakistan is a state. Not like India, where the army brutalizes her own people to keep a sham of a democracy which is soaked in blood of her own people. :chilli:
 
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samant k bha ji

enna ghussa na karo bha ji, blood pressure ho jaoo. In Siachen, we did the drama and reached late. Chalo bha ji der ayed durust ayed. They stopped you where you are. Hun Siachen wich baraf de golay khao te maujan lutto.

oh it is we who impinged on you. good that we keep you guys in your place. baaki saaray mulk chotay hein na, aisay layee asi panga le lenay aa.

Oh so now you claim that it was India who defeated LTTE and poor Sri Lankans just appreciated Indian support. yaar akhiyan khol shayed khwab tak riha ein

kadi kadi gal man wi leya karo badshao.

you dont abuse china. chalo thik aa. na manno.

saaray hinustani bollywood de naal dirty dancing karday aa. what does that say about all of you Indians.

It is the people of Pakistan who have a state, the politicians have a state, the Army have a state and all because Pakistan is a state. Not like India, where the army brutalizes her own people to keep a sham of a democracy which is soaked in blood of her own people. :chilli:


Bhai jee, Apki army hmain rokne nahi aaye the.. woh be occupy karne aaye the.

You can have all the delusion of you guys keeping us in check, however we never had ambitions to occupy Pakistan unlike your country has had in the past.

Did you read my statement, I said we helped.. cmon man read properly it will take another minute, dont be in a hurry to put me in a bad light..

Dirty dancing waali baat aapke bhai ne kadi aur upar se Kahnjar bhi bol dita.. Ab main ke karan, mane to itna he bola ki tum Kahnjaron se dirty dancing karne wich khush ho.. :lol:

A country like Pakistan never can tell us about how our Army is, our army has never performed a coup never thrown democracy when a crazy general felt like he wanted to kick someones ****.. It might be difficult for you people but then it does not matter what you believe in..
 
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Sir,
Irrespective of Pakistan, if you do not want to change the Nation State system with its UN, please oblige the UN by accepting the 13 or so UN resolutions on Kashmir as a starter. Hold a plebiscite in Kashmir and let them live in freedom.

Go back to the border that actually existed before you occupied undefended portion of Siachen.

Stay as a nation state by not impinging on the Nation Status of all other nations on your periphery. You have border disputes with all the nations around you - not only Pakistan.

Can't say about the Chinese my naughty ideas may begin with dirty dancing with some bollywood actresses. What did you have in mind.

Human wickedness and greed is what you are afraid of - please be afraid of yourself.

UN Resolution on Kashkir also states Pakistan should take back its troops from *** as another Precondition for plebesite
 
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First of all Pakistan has already achieved the strategic balance with India, and that is what pinches Indians to the core. Secondly, how can we answer for other countries. Go ask them yourself. But at the end of the day Pakistan had the resolve and the will to rise to the level, others may not have it or may not have the resources to challenge India. I assure you though, people of all these countries hate the Indians and you know it.

Indians should ask this honest question to themselves as to why all of India's neighbours hate India so much and would rise to counter India whenever they could gain the resources.


I have no patience to answer your myths.

You are saying what you can only say otherwise the topic is about need for military strategic balance, arms race, not about who hate India (a Pakistani evening time time pass to feel good).

As far as you already have achieved the balance is concern then you should convince your own Pakistani posters who are talking about F22 P from China when India launched INS Arihant. Why no other country felt like buying F22 P in IOR is the question to be asked.

The answer is irrespective of Pakistani exaggeration of India's neighbours hating India no one thinks India is quixotic military power but Pakistani army does, may be to keep their empire running.
 
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I have no patience to answer your myths.

You are saying what you can only say otherwise the topic is about need for military strategic balance, arms race, not about who hate India (a Pakistani evening time time pass to feel good).

As far as you already have achieved the balance is concern then you should convince your own Pakistani posters who are talking about F22 P from China when India launched INS Arihant. Why no other country felt like buying F22 P in IOR is the question to be asked.

The answer is irrespective of Pakistani exaggeration of India's neighbours hating India no one thinks India is quixotic military power but Pakistani army does, may be to keep their empire running.

Sir Ji,
We have all the patience to answer your questions and objections. In Hindi, it is known as Never Say Die attitude.

Why no other country in the IOR felt like buying F22P, when India launched INS Arihant. Frankly sir, I don't know if Pakistan bought F22P to counter INS Arhant. We will have our own nuclear sub before you can launch an operational INS Arihant - I dont know if you'll ever be able to operationalize this almost 100 year old project or keep it technology demostrator, as many of your defence analysts say. We will, in the meantime purchase some more F22Ps.

You don't think India's neighbours hate India. OK please don't.
 
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