Pakistan's Blunder Of Not Joining The Yemen War:---

[CHI RULES]

Hi,

Some say ' hindsight 20/20 '---other say---' you should have thought about the consequences before hand'---' you should have thought about who you are---what your assets are---what your friends and allies need---what concerns your enemy---what assets that you have that your enemy does not want you to have---& what could the enemy do to remove those assets '---.

I seriously think that is a statement that shows like something too much to ask---even to a pakistani military General officer in command---because most of their interest lies in housing schemes---property---commissions---war on terror & things on similar line & length---India---.

The there is the mantra of tactical nucs---. Well the problem with that mantra is that the super power does not like that mantra---. The religionist evangelicals in the regime want to de-fang pakistan---and the only people who did not know abut that was the pakistani military generals---who sitting secure in their offices believed their assets are secure---I mean to say the nucs---.

What america does in front of everyone's face is that it keeps its enemies farthest away from the mainland---and keeps troops at out posts distant from the mainland and tells everyone what the reason is---yet the pakistani generals never understood it---the current pakistani prime minister does not understand it either---.

Pakistanis in general have a belief---don't bother us---we will not bother you---what they tend to forget is that they have around 200 nucs that can destroy the world---so the baby that wants to make itself look innocent singing gaga maybe innocent in its own mind---but to the outside world---it looks like a death wish come true---.

So---the nation that does not know its own strength---does not understand what steps it needed to take to expand to protect its assets---has no understanding and concept of having military bases outside of pakistan at critical locations---having no concept of having those assets---is basically clueless of its environment---.

And that was very obvious when the Yemen crisis started---. That was the time for pakistan to have understood what was at stake---what was going to happen---what was coming in the short term near future and what the long term future game plan of the opponent was---and then it should have gone ahead and firmed firmed up its grip on the region as was being permitted by the super power---.

The super power USA gave the region of the gulf states on a platter to pakistan---and the fools rejected it---. The terms used were---we don't want a war---we will not participate in a war---we are not mercenaries---even though all the conquests of the muslim empire were mercenary armies---all the great muslim warriors were mercenaries---payment was in loot and plunder---'maal a ghanimat '---.

Why did pakistan not do what it should have done---was just to please iran---and what was iran to pakistan---a muslim brother---and what was pakistan to iran---a fcking inferior dark skin nuc capable country---.

Pakistani generals have sold the integrity of the pakistani nation and the future welfare of the country trying to side with a pariah nation---a nation whose sole and only purpose is to create havoc in the region---.

If pakistan had a 150 K battle group in the gulf states---backed by a seperate air force---armor--- navy & transporation---the US would not be sending in its naval battle group and there would not have been any talk of 100K american troops in the region or the B52's striking iran---.

There would not have been any pulwama type attacks---because the indian power would have been neutered or lessened by the presnce of pakistani troops in the region---thus no attacks by indian air force on the night of the 26th---.

General Raheel---sir---you truly failed pakistan---when it was time to make some hard & timely decisions to move the pakistani military influence from outside of its borders and into the gulf region---.

I write this post seeing what is happening in the gulf---what the US military is doing in the gulf in the last few weeks and what their plans are---. Mastankhan

Sir sentiments were quite high to involve in Yemen war but following facts can't be denied.
1-The % of Shia population in Pakistan is significant, majority influenced by Iran just like Wahabi/Deoband sects mostly influenced by KSA. We have to maintain balance to avoid 80s/90s sectarian blood shed.
2-The human rights abuses in Yemen are high by KSA/Allied forces.
3-Afghan and Indian border situation do not allow us to start direct collision with Iran.
4- Raheel Shareef is directly involved in whole operation/strategic decisions due to which KSA has got some success in Yemen along with limited number of Pak military personnel training the KSA forces along with providing support for defense of KSA, though mostly behind scenes. That's why Pak got limited financial concessions from Arabs. Without any support the Arabs were not in mood to help Pak in any way.
5- Decision maker was not Raheel Sharif but Govt meanwhile our forces have sufficient number of Shia personnel so in case of direct involvement in Yemen we may face sectarian rift even in armed forces.

With exception of above facts one may say that decision of direct involvement in Yemen war could have brought more financial stability in the country along with heavy military aid.

 

[Big Tank]

I will suggest OP to be the first one to send his Sons and Daughters to Yemen (Saudis are already using African and Latin) as mercenaries and earn some easy cash killing unarmed Yemenis. Then send in some dollars to Pakistan. Later you can join too and rest of your relatives. Because am really sorry, you can be a Slave for the money but we ain't sending our Brothers to die in Yemeni terrain for the sake of Satanic Jewish Kingdom. We all have to be answerable when we die but maybe you dont feel it after a couple of beers. I do understand that you need to extract your frustration for more cash after getting intoxicated.

 

[Lincoln]

Hi,

At 22 years of age---you are that illiterate---I am not surprised---sorry about the technology that my generation has created and doomed your generation---.

The gulf states are paying it to whomsoever is fighting for them---and paying it with dividends---.

150K pak troops in gulf states would mean at least 10 times the number of jobs created in pakistan---.

That 10 times the number would have its own multiplier effect of creating 10 times more jobs in pakistan. A seperate indutrial base would crop up---.

150 K troops would needs ammo---uniforms---shoes---food rations and other things---that pakistan could provide to its forces while the gulf states are paying for it---.

Gulf States aren't paying USA money, what makes you think they would pay Pakistan. Everyone is after there own interests. Pakistan would get walked all over in this war by so called "Allies." Take some lessons from Afghan War.

 

[Ghost 125]

our forces have sufficient number of Shia personnel so in case of direct involvement in Yemen we may face sectarian rift even in armed forces.

the single most important point for the decision makers, it cant be overlooked. we dont want a syrian FSA and Lybian LNA/GNA on our hands, that destroys nations.

 

[nahtanbob]

OP is somewhat right...

We are overestimating Iran's influence/proxy in Pakistan.

No, no civil war would have happened.

What did we get from Iran after showing NEUTRALITY????

Jadhav, Uzair Baloch? Ormara attack?

High time Pakistanis act confident and arrogant so that no one takes them for granted.

Iran is taking advantage of so called Pakistani fear of in house fighting.

They will try to create even more influence/proxy within Pakistan now.

Iran can team up with India and finish off your Afghan dreams

 

[Lincoln]

Hi,
The hands of all the great muslim conquerers are red in blood---. Don't you study your own history---.

How the hell do you people get in to USA. Either way, red in blood for Islam, not for fantasies of swimming in money.

Iran can team up with India and finish off your Afghan dreams

If the entire west, USA and CIA, NATO cannot. Then where do India and Iran even stand. Sit down, India isn't a global power house.

 

[CHI RULES]

the single most important point for the decision makers, it cant be overlooked. we dont want a syrian FSA and Lybian LNA/GNA on our hands, that destroys nations.

Sir you are quite right the country made in the name of Allah can't be indulged in dirty sectarian war for few dollars, as per mercenary part of Mr MK I am quite agreed that it was norm of of past and present that victorious side squeezes the material benefits from defeated side. Even USA and allied forces grabbed billions of dollars Gold and precious artifacts from Iraq which provided strength to shaking economies of West. In same way in Afghanistan all contracts of reconstruction/development are given to US/Allied contractors getting funds from UNO and creating jobs/resources for West.

We do not have a Dracula dictator like Sisi who is selling Muslim blood for dollars.

 

[Cuirassier]

I knew it was the old chap's thread from the title.

 

[airmarshal]

Yemen war is immoral. To chase a mirage of Iran influence, its an unprovoked attack on whole nation. Yemen war has brought innumerable suffering to the people of Yemen.

While we have tendency to talk in terms of dollars and cents, we forget that prevailing wars of expediency in Middle East, in one way or another help the enemies of Muslim gain strength in the region. If we talk of joining war in Yemen, the argument we put forth is as immoral as accepting Israel forgetting its egregious occupation and predatory land grab of Palestine. So if you decide to join Yemen war, accept Israel too on the same day.

We should not have taken a part in it for short term benefit. What Pakistan did was right.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Hi,

Some say ' hindsight 20/20 '---other say---' you should have thought about the consequences before hand'---' you should have thought about who you are---what your assets are---what your friends and allies need---what concerns your enemy---what assets that you have that your enemy does not want you to have---& what could the enemy do to remove those assets '---.

I seriously think that is a statement that shows like something too much to ask---even to a pakistani military General officer in command---because most of their interest lies in housing schemes---property---commissions---war on terror & things on similar line & length---India---.

The there is the mantra of tactical nucs---. Well the problem with that mantra is that the super power does not like that mantra---. The religionist evangelicals in the regime want to de-fang pakistan---and the only people who did not know abut that was the pakistani military generals---who sitting secure in their offices believed their assets are secure---I mean to say the nucs---.

What america does in front of everyone's face is that it keeps its enemies farthest away from the mainland---and keeps troops at out posts distant from the mainland and tells everyone what the reason is---yet the pakistani generals never understood it---the current pakistani prime minister does not understand it either---.

Pakistanis in general have a belief---don't bother us---we will not bother you---what they tend to forget is that they have around 200 nucs that can destroy the world---so the baby that wants to make itself look innocent singing gaga maybe innocent in its own mind---but to the outside world---it looks like a death wish come true---.

So---the nation that does not know its own strength---does not understand what steps it needed to take to expand to protect its assets---has no understanding and concept of having military bases outside of pakistan at critical locations---having no concept of having those assets---is basically clueless of its environment---.

And that was very obvious when the Yemen crisis started---. That was the time for pakistan to have understood what was at stake---what was going to happen---what was coming in the short term near future and what the long term future game plan of the opponent was---and then it should have gone ahead and firmed firmed up its grip on the region as was being permitted by the super power---.

The super power USA gave the region of the gulf states on a platter to pakistan---and the fools rejected it---. The terms used were---we don't want a war---we will not participate in a war---we are not mercenaries---even though all the conquests of the muslim empire were mercenary armies---all the great muslim warriors were mercenaries---payment was in loot and plunder---'maal a ghanimat '---.

Why did pakistan not do what it should have done---was just to please iran---and what was iran to pakistan---a muslim brother---and what was pakistan to iran---a fcking inferior dark skin nuc capable country---.

Pakistani generals have sold the integrity of the pakistani nation and the future welfare of the country trying to side with a pariah nation---a nation whose sole and only purpose is to create havoc in the region---.

If pakistan had a 150 K battle group in the gulf states---backed by a seperate air force---armor--- navy & transporation---the US would not be sending in its naval battle group and there would not have been any talk of 100K american troops in the region or the B52's striking iran---.

There would not have been any pulwama type attacks---because the indian power would have been neutered or lessened by the presnce of pakistani troops in the region---thus no attacks by indian air force on the night of the 26th---.

General Raheel---sir---you truly failed pakistan---when it was time to make some hard & timely decisions to move the pakistani military influence from outside of its borders and into the gulf region---.

I write this post seeing what is happening in the gulf---what the US military is doing in the gulf in the last few weeks and what their plans are---. Mastankhan

Very valid points indeed, amidst all the emotion. But I think the geopolitical realities were as follows: both Iran and the Gulf states kiss Indian backside for various reasons. We should simply have made a choice between the two as we would be accused of rubbing shoulders with India's friends either way. KSA is probably the lesser of two bad choices for friends in this case. I think in the middle east our only erstwhile friend and ally is Turkey, hence we should not malign against their interests within the middle east theatre. As far as I am aware, they have not been drawn into the KSA Iran conflict. I think we were trying to do the same but clearly it was a mistake, as the ayatollahs regime wil collapse soon enough and whoever replaces them could have been an ally of ours had we pushed the right buttons. Now nobody has a clue who will come in, but if they are installed by USA, they will be another proto-Afghanistan type regime who will openly and covertly oppose us - but worse than the ayatollahs as the new regime will have American support. You're right insofar as we should have jumped on board early so we could at least have a say in who will run Iran in the coming years.

 

[Numerous]

If the arabs paid for the troops salary and equipment, then sure, why not? The more men we have experienced in war, the better.

Iran would be angry but who cares, they already work against us, I'm sure if we sent a tonne of troops to the arabs, we'd be able to get more concessions out of them too (e.g. invest X billion in Pakistan, hire less Indians and hire more Pakistanis etc).

 

[Humble Analyst]

Hi,

You are not an intelligent man when it comes to nation building---.

Why would we tell them that they have enough resources---. America does not tell them and neither does britain---so why should we ---.

As far as I am concerned---they have no resources---we have the resources---we have the answers---we are able---we are capable---.

My question is---how is it possible to claim to be the sons of great muslim warriors and now to have become cowards and fear war---.



Hi,

Maybe you should go to hell---. Saudis are not a terrorist nation---our neighbor is a terrorist nation---Saudis have always come to our rescue---regardless of the circumstance---and even recently---a couple of months ago---.

Some Pakistanis love for Iran hurts Pakistan’s interests but nothing can be done because this sect cares more about Iran than their own homeland and that is a pity. Pakistan is a country where people are still crying why they got involved in Afghanistan in 70s and onwards. The attitude is if one closes the eyes nothing will happen. The pigeon and the ostrich approach.
Having said that the problem is real as some or more than some Shias in Pakistan care more about Iran than Pakistan and its interests. While it is true that KSA has always helped Pakistan, Iran starting from the last years of Shah has always worked with enemies of Pakistan.
KSA and Iran have both sponsored their version of Islam in Pak and Iran took a stance in 80s and 90s which hurt Palestine and Muslims cause big time, including Iran itself.
On the other hand KSA interest was always to protect the monarchy at any cost. KSA can be blamed for inaction and Iran for too much interference.
It is high time that Pakistanis should look out for the the interest of their homeland and not put pressure to watch Iran’s interests over Pakistan.
Iran is and always has worked against Pakistan’s interests since the last days of Shah and onwards. That is unfortunate.

@MastanKhan I feel you care about Pak and have good points but the way your posts are they seem too critical and impact negatively on some those who think that people who live abroad have lost the right to criticise or they think that we are arrogant. If you do want to have a positive impact, start with positive comments and then criticise.
Now please do take this comment as constructive.

 

[litman]

all those who recommend sending pak army to yemen must themselves join the saudi jihadi camps and fight for them. hypocrites.

 

[Numerous]

all those who recommend sending pak army to yemen must themselves join the saudi jihadi camps and fight for them. hypocrites.

How are we hypocrites?

Not everyone in society is a soldier, it doesn't mean we can't comment on how our foreign policy should be.

 

[Kompromat]

We couldn't be a part of such a war which has zero implications for our own security.