Pakistan's awareness of enemy missile launches or strikes

[Inception-06]

HQ-9 was captures in google eath few years before near sargodha missile base

This were water Tanks or something like this, sorry million times outdiscussed, that this is not the HQ-9.

 

[SQ8]

Awareness is measured in terms of warning time; which varies across the border and geography of Pakistan.
An attack via the Sea may be picked up earlier by an AEW system. But an airstrike hugging the Kashmir mountains may not be detected in that same timeframe.

 

[The SC]

The key word here is what you imply with routine, which in the military context consists of 24h 7/7 365 Monitoring activities through all kinds of sensors, radars, sonars, AWACS and many more, so routine should be taken in a permanent awareness through monitoring.
Your scenario will be called a blitzkrieg in military terms. It will have to involve the jamming of most and most potent Pakistani Monitoring systems, and I should add their redundancies too. Which has a near zero chance for success in these days.

 

[ares]

a missile launch cannot happen out of the blue. A minimum window for a launch is 6 to 8 hours. To assemble prepare the warhead and load it onto a missile.

So any nation planning a launch would already be exposed of its intentions through human intl as well as satellite imagery.

Having said that once a launch god forbid takes place Pakistan & India both will have a window of a few seconds to react.

The reason is close proximity of the nations. If the attack was let's say between India and Iraq a time window of reaction would increase due to the distance between the nations.


I hope that answers your question

Not Necessarily, canister version`of missile are`preloaded and are`ready to launch`with in few minutes.

Warheads (even nukes) are premated and already assembled as it happens SLBMs.

Such a launch will offer less than 2 mins warning in India - Pak scenario or basically detection range of the radar.

 

[Rank]

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last time apne submarine nikal li thi

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[Mitro]

Pakistan ISI is very active in indian army and around their important location and this agents will be enough to warn them in advance of any activity in the base or launching site and when launch from sea they get more time to react.
May be china provide them with any information about ballistic missile launch from their space asset.
Pakistan is not stupid to wait for so long for not having long range anti aircraft or ballistic missile system it will be surprise for the adversary in case of war.

 

[B+ Dracula]

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Sir ji aap kia google earth pay saara din bete rehte hay?
last time apne submarine nikal li thi

Bhai jaan kai saal se yehi dhandha hai apna .

Ok Guru Baba....Find Malaysian Plane Lost in Sea....

 

[ice_man]

Not Necessarily, canister version`of missile are`preloaded and are`ready to launch`with in few minutes.

Warheads (even nukes) are premated and already assembled as it happens SLBMs.

Such a launch will offer less than 2 mins warning in India - Pak scenario or basically detection range of the radar.

not under the "routine" situation. Only in an environment of heightened tensions maybe. I am sure neither india nor Pakistan keep canister versions of the missiles pre loaded with nukes in the barracks.

only when the army is deployed does it really start its preparations and maybe then might pre load warheads that too only after assessing the level of threat faced.

after all both countries are smart enough to realize that a small mistake might have catastrophic results.

 

[ashok321]

not under the "routine" situation. Only in an environment of heightened tensions maybe. I am sure neither india nor Pakistan keep canister versions of the missiles pre loaded with nukes in the barracks.

only when the army is deployed does it really start its preparations and maybe then might pre load warheads that too only after assessing the level of threat faced.

after all both countries are smart enough to realize that a small mistake might have catastrophic results.

INS Arihant...all missiles mated with nuke warhead...2 yrs down the rd..

 

[ares]

not under the "routine" situation. Only in an environment of heightened tensions maybe. I am sure neither india nor Pakistan keep canister versions of the missiles pre loaded with nukes in the barracks.

only when the army is deployed does it really start its preparations and maybe then might pre load warheads that too only after assessing the level of threat faced.

after all both countries are smart enough to realize that a small mistake might have catastrophic results.

Perhaps, but same cant be said about SLBMs..which by nature of its design, has to be preloaded with a warhead(nuclear or otherwise) before being lowered into VLS tubes of a Boomer.

Fact is most of the estimates of nuclear readiness of either country are more than a decade old i.e based on the fact that during Kargil war Americans found out Pakistani SFC was readying its nuclear weapons conveyed so to Nawaz Sharif .

No new studies have been conducted, as to nuclear readiness of either.

Pining your defense on the hopes, that one will get adequate warning time, when the other country starts mating its weapons is beyond foolish.

For India has started deploying Indo-Israeli Swordfish missile tracking radars with a range of 800 Km(Virtually covering entire Pakistani airspace)..however there is not much development in this sphere in Pakistan.

Even then this might give Indians 5-7 mins warning at max..and if India is able to positions Geostationary satellites, which can detect missile flare..that might give an additional minute or so, but then that's that.

 

[ice_man]

Perhaps, but same cant be said about SLBMs..which by nature of its design, has to be preloaded with a warhead(nuclear or otherwise) before being lowered into VLS tubes of a Boomer.

Fact is most of the estimates of nuclear readiness of either country are more than a decade old i.e based on the fact that during Kargil war Americans found out Pakistani SFC was readying its nuclear weapons conveyed so to Nawaz Sharif .

No new studies have been conducted, as to nuclear readiness of either.

Pining your defense on the hopes, that one will get adequate warning time, when the other country starts mating its weapons is beyond foolish.

For India has started deploying Indo-Israeli Swordfish missile tracking radars with a range of 800 Km(Virtually covering entire Pakistani airspace)..however there is not much development in this sphere in Pakistan.

Even then this might give Indians 5-7 mins warning at max..and if India is able to positions Geostationary satellites, which can detect missile flare..that might give an additional minute or so, but then that's that.

actually a very valid point you raised here that for an SLBM the VLS tubes should be loaded prior to sailing. However, this does lead to a rouge boat in the ocean doesn't it?

Usually boats (including subs) with SLBM capabilities are given extra attention by the enemy and hence are tracked throughout the voyage (atleast this was the norm in the cold war era) How far indian and Pak forces have developed the tracking of subs is still not clearly known.

However, Pakistan currently doesn't possess the SLBM capability, secondly it doesn't keep the missile & nuclear or conventional warhead mated. That puts pakistan in a clear disadvantage.

So yes indian warning time increases significantly and alot more than 5-7 minutes. Paksitan's doesn't due to lack of a triad capability.

 

[Mitro]

in case of indian SLBM it will take decade to be operational and before that pakistan will have some operation SLCM(Babur) with 1500Km range with nuclear tip .
Both country already know they cannot destroy enemy nuclear arsenal completely and wont be ready to get nuke in return .
so peace for now

actually a very valid point you raised here that for an SLBM the VLS tubes should be loaded prior to sailing. However, this does lead to a rouge boat in the ocean doesn't it?

Usually boats (including subs) with SLBM capabilities are given extra attention by the enemy and hence are tracked throughout the voyage (atleast this was the norm in the cold war era) How far indian and Pak forces have developed the tracking of subs is still not clearly known.

However, Pakistan currently doesn't possess the SLBM capability, secondly it doesn't keep the missile & nuclear or conventional warhead mated. That puts pakistan in a clear disadvantage.

So yes indian warning time increases significantly and alot more than 5-7 minutes. Paksitan's doesn't due to lack of a triad capability.

 

[Pakistani till death]

Obviously india wont attack as pakistan and india have agreed not to attack eachothers nuclear sites

 

[KalaGhoda]

that guy with strangelove dp should post something omnious here..

 

[dilpakistani]

Its a really good discussion topic man.. Fact of the matter is that there are two parts of that strategy which can ensure a nuclear power to maintain its continuous state of readiness for any surprises.

1. Command and Control Systems
2. Net Centric Early warning and Response Systems

Thanks to general Musharaf's visionary leadership we have one of the world's finest C&C system operational for our unconventional weapons. There is a very vibrant and highly skilled strategic command force which deals with the storage, transportation and operational readiness of our nuclear weapons. There are heavily protected underground missile silos for storage in deployed form. As for the net centric early warning and response system..we seriously lack in that area. We don't have dedicated military satellites. We do have some good ground and airborne radars but they are not good enough as they can't pick anything beyond 400 KMs and if missile like Agni-1 is launched 5-6 hundred KM away from our borders it would be at too much higher altitude for any of our radar to pick it up...and even if we would pick a missile launch from our enemies there is nothing on ground to intercept it... The only option would be to try to kill and die. so that's where we are right now.