Pakistan’s army is building an arsenal of ”tiny” nuclear weapons—and it’s going to backfire

[ghauri05]

o bhai itna lamba baseless article....kon he ye weli bndi....itne wele bethe he log dunya me...
jb koi mun nai lgata to ya to anti-islam ya anti-pak nuke article likh do...bs inhi pe rozi rotti chal rai ye third class journos ki

 

[aanshu001]

We have AWACS and F-16 block 52s + JF-17s with AMRAM 120Cs and SD10s + HQ9s to counter any Indian aerial threat. I guess you're still living under a rock cuz Su30MKIs bubble burst a long time ago.

Facing 350+ 4.5 gen size Air-force without any credible SAM system only with 60 JF-17 & 76 F-16 ( all blocks) at present in both offensive and defensive role against SAM system like AKASH ( 3000 missiles), S-300, Spyder SAM 18 regiments, at present and S-400, BARAK -ER in future supported long range Radars and AWACS

whatever you can track, or not, you cannot stop a ballistic missile when it is launched this close to India. the recent tests of Pakistani missiles have shown that Pakistan has incorporated radar evading features in the missiles, for example continuously changing trajectory, which makes the missile difficult to track. and I have not even mentioned cruise missiles yet.

Missiles battery cannot out-run fighter planes ( if they are fired from the border area no chance) and if fired from deep inside of Pakistan than they can tracked and destroyed, I don't think Pakistan is going to move missile launchers near to the border (so they can be spotted and targeted coz they are not well protected due to lack of SAM systems)

2ndly, you should really read something about Mutually assured destruction. This is what it is.

Same advised to you my friend when you are facing a country which is capable of enriching enough plutonium to produce 20+ Hydrogen Bomb in a year

We have AWACS and F-16 block 52s + JF-17s with AMRAM 120Cs and SD10s + HQ9s to counter any Indian aerial threat. I guess you're still living under a rock cuz Su30MKIs bubble burst a long time ago.

Facing 350+ 4.5 gen size Air-force without any credible SAM system only with 60 JF-17 & 76 F-16 ( all blocks) at present in both offensive and defensive role against SAM system like AKASH ( 3000 missiles), S-300, Spyder SAM 18 regiments, at present and S-400, BARAK -ER in future supported long range Radars and AWACS

whatever you can track, or not, you cannot stop a ballistic missile when it is launched this close to India. the recent tests of Pakistani missiles have shown that Pakistan has incorporated radar evading features in the missiles, for example continuously changing trajectory, which makes the missile difficult to track. and I have not even mentioned cruise missiles yet.

Missiles battery cannot out-run fighter planes ( if they are fired from the border area no chance) and if fired from deep inside of Pakistan than they can tracked and destroyed, I don't think Pakistan is going to move missile launchers near to the border (so they can be spotted and targeted coz they are not well protected due to lack of SAM systems)

2ndly, you should really read something about Mutually assured destruction. This is what it is.

Same advised to you my friend when you are facing a country which is capable of enriching enough plutonium to produce 20+ Hydrogen Bomb in a year

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

The only "back" that will "fire" will be out enemies back.

 

[xyxmt]

I would love to see Pakistani Forces Using tactical nukes when Indian forces are right in the center of Lahore next time around. Are Pakistani's ready to kill almost a Million people.. their own people.

like they came last time
I dont think Pakistan need mini nukes for India, they are for some other purpose

 

[Hellfire]

What a load of crap article and what a load more posted here. Where is sonicboom from? Troll Land?

 

[Alpha BeeTee]

Latest wave of such articles tells me Pakistan is doing something fantastically well.

This !

 

[Abdullah S.]

which of your submarine is going to reach on the cost of Bengal by passing all ASW assets of IN without any support on it own good luck. Speed of Agosta 90B is 12 knots (22 km/h; 14 mph) surfaced, 20.5 knots (38.0 km/h; 23.6 mph) submerged , 10.5 knots (19.4 km/h; 12.1 mph) submerged (snort/ AIP)

First test fire Babur from submarine.
Oh! China is giving you Satellite cover and what about Indian access on GLONASS.

Your ground intelligence and what about your entire military, politicians & media crying about RAW assets and their hand in every attack on Pakistan soil

How many Shaheen 3 are you going to fire on a group of 325 island

First of all, even in 1971, with a single Tench class submarine which had a 48 hours submersible endurance level, we were traveling all the way from Karachi to lay mines off the Visakhapatnam coast in the Bay of Bengal without being detected. So don't go on telling how your awesome ASW assets will detect an Agosta 90B with months of submerged endurance. IN has a history of never finding a PN submarine anyway, and of losing its ASW assets in the process, like INS Khukri. And then shamelessly claiming a kill after our sub met an accident. Pathetic.

And anyway, finding a sub in the open ocean is like finding a needle in haystack, good luck doing that.

BTW, unlike a certain country to our east, we are not in a habit to brag about our military capabilities. We do have the naval version of Babur ready for Agosta 90B, as is evident by our Naval Strategic Force Command inaugural a few years back, but it wont be announced because we don't want the French to flip out. It will be announced & publicly tested after we get our 8 Chinese subs. But you're always free to try & start a war with us if you're desperate to find out sooner.

2nd, about A&N Islands; only 34 of them actually have any human presence so spare me the 350 islands nonsense. We can wipe out the entire population of A&N with less than 34 nukes. Not a problem for us at all. And we can identify Indian army presence anywhere on the rest of the 350 islands, if any, through satellite surveillance and target them accordingly. Remember, our Shaheen series of missiles has a CEPs of less than 50 meters and so can be used to deliver conventional warheads of up-to 1000KG reasonably accurately as well. We don't really have to use nukes on small Indian army installations anywhere on your Andaman and Nicobar Islands. Strategic nukes will only be used to end Indian civilization once and for all, if need be.

Regardless of the above, if you insist that only nukes can be used on A&N for some unfathomable reason and all 350 of the islands are teeming with Indian military presence, then know that the world is screaming at the top of its lungs that Pakistan has the fastest growing nuclear arsenal and will soon be 3rd after US and Russia. If you believe that, then you better believe that we can/will send 350 of them your way in the Bay of Bengal, if need be. And we won't even need 350 Shaheens 3s to do that, you know, because of MIRV. If you don't believe that then just try us sometime.

Facing 350+ 4.5 gen size Air-force without any credible SAM system only with 60 JF-17 & 76 F-16 ( all blocks) at present in both offensive and defensive role against SAM system like AKASH ( 3000 missiles), S-300, Spyder SAM 18 regiments, at present and S-400, BARAK -ER in future supported long range Radars and AWACS

First of all, you don't have 350 4.5 gen fighters. All you have is about 220 MKIs with elephant size RCS and severe maintenance issues, and a pile of old Mig21s which crash more often than ripe mangoes + some Mig 29s, Jaguars and 50 odd Mirage 2000. Hardly 4.5 generation.

2nd, you'll not just be dealing with 60 JF-17s and 76 F-16s, but SAMS like HQ9, Spada 2000 etc.

3rd, with our standoff weapons like LACM Babur, ALCM Raad, H-2, H-4, GB-6 Submunition Dispenser etc. we wont even need to venture into the range of your SAMs to take out your assets. You send your Su30MKIs risking the lives of your pilots in that elephant RCS plane & fighting in range of our Erieyes, ZDK03s, HQ9s and Spada 2000s, and we'll send Babur, Raad cruise missiles + GB-6 to all Indian airbases up to 700 KM from Pakistani border so that any remaining Su30s don't have a place to land back in India. And as for your SAMS, we present to you MAR-1, HARM & CM-102 anti radiation missiles.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

First of all, even in 1971, with a single Tench class submarine which had a 48 hours submersible endurance level, we were traveling all the way from Karachi to lay mines off the Visakhapatnam coast in the Bay of Bengal without being detected. So don't go on telling how your awesome ASW assets will detect an Agosta 90B with months of submerged endurance. IN has a history of never finding a PN submarine anyway, and of losing its ASW assets in the process, like INS Khukri. And then shamelessly claiming a kill after our subs met an accident. Pathetic.

And anyway, finding a sub in the open ocean is like finding a needle in haystack, good luck doing that.

BTW, unlike a certain country to our east, we are not in a habit to brag about our conventional military capabilities. We do have the naval version of Babur ready for Agosta 90B, as is evident by our Naval Strategic Force Command inaugural a few years back, but it wont be announced because we don't want the French to flip out. It will be announced & publicly tested after we get our 8 Chinese subs. But you're always free to try & start a war with us if you're desperate to find out sooner.

2nd, about A&N Islands; only 34 of them actually have any human presence so spare me the 350 islands nonsense. We can wipe out the entire population of A&N with just 34 nukes. Not a problem for us at all. And we can identify Indian army presence anywhere on the rest of the 350 islands, if any, through satellite surveillance and target them accordingly. Remember, our Shaheen series of missiles has a CEPs of less than 50 meters and so can be used to deliver conventional warheads of up-to 1000KG reasonably accurately as well. We don't really have to use nukes on small Indian army installations anywhere on your Andaman and Nicobar Islands. Strategic nukes will only be used to end Indian civilization once and for all, if need be.

Regardless of the above, if you insist that only nukes can be used on A&N for some unfathomable reason and all 350 of the islands are teeming with Indian military presence, then know that the world is screaming at the top of its lungs that Pakistan has the fastest growing nuclear arsenal and will soon be 3rd after US and Russia. If you believe that, then you better believe that we can/will send 350 of them your way in the Bay of Bengal, if need be. And we won't even need 350 Shaheens 3s to do that, you know, because of MIRV. If you don't believe that then just try us sometime.


First of all, you don't have 350 4.5 gen fighters. All you have is about 220 MKIs with elephant size RCS and severe maintenance issues, and a pile of old Mig21s which crash more often than ripe mangoes + some Mig 29s, Jaguars and 50 odd Mirage 2000. Hardly 4.5 generation.

2nd, you'll not just be dealing with 60 JF-17s and 76 F-16s, but SAMS like HQ9, Spada 2000 etc.

3rd, with our standoff weapons like LACM Babur, ALCM Raad, H-2, H-4, GB-6 Submunition Dispenser etc. we wont even need to venture into the range of your SAMs to take out your assets. You send your Su30MKIs risking the lives of your pilots in that elephant RCS plane & fighting in range of our Erieyes, ZDK03s, HQ9s and Spada 2000s, and we'll send Babur, Raad cruise missiles + GB-6 to all Indian airbases up to 700 KM from Pakistani border so that any remaining Su30s don't have a place to land back in India. And as for your SAMS, we present to you MAR-1, HARM & CM-102 anti radiation missiles.

It will have no effect. In fact india's military is more powerful and advanced than that of america, China or Russia. They could easily detect (using red dot head detectors) and destroy all Pakistan airforce planes and navy ships. india could easily occupy all of eastern Pakistan within 7 hours with minimal losses. Pakistan's nukes will all be shoot down by super advanced and powerful indian abm system. A very easy war and invasion for india.

 

[Rafael]

We have a special word for these Indians - randi rona!

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

The whole premise of the article is usage of the weapons and not it's capacity as a deterrent. The fact is that it is very hard to swallow a nuclear Pakistan. This also doesn't sit well with conventional western posture as containment of all things muslim. And that is why everything thing Pakistani are considered by extension muslim or Islamic. Pakistan will ultimately have to ascend conventionally and carve out its own space since no one will hand it over. This also gives Pakistan spine and flexibility which its leaders lack so dearly.

 

[Red Wolf]

Does anyone take Christine Fair seriously after her complete meltdown on live TV while debating Glenn Greenwald?

Source: “I AM a rambo b**ch”: Meet the drone defender who hates neo-cons, attacks Glenn Greenwald — and may have conflicts of her own

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

I didn't know weapons were a fashion accessory. We will just use the nukes to exterminate the vermin.

Try it and the country in which u r living will join india in nuking ur mother country into oblivion.

 

[aanshu001]

First of all, even in 1971, with a single Tench class submarine which had a 48 hours submersible endurance level, we were traveling all the way from Karachi to lay mines off the Visakhapatnam coast in the Bay of Bengal without being detected. So don't go on telling how your awesome ASW assets will detect an Agosta 90B with months of submerged endurance. IN has a history of never finding a PN submarine anyway, and of losing its ASW assets in the process, like INS Khukri. And then shamelessly claiming a kill after our subs met an accident. Pathetic.

It's Not 1971 when IN don't had single recon planes, and that Tench Class was fooled by brilliant naval strategy so it's she turn her course towards Vizak and it was trapped & destroyed (which stupid source told you why it was miles away from it's target INS Vikrant) . You had most advance sub in the region that time but now your subs don't stand chance as maritime patrol and reconnaissance operations are carried out by the Boeing P-8 Poseidon, the Tupolev 142 and the Ilyushin 38 added with 26 Corvettes.

You are boasting so much on three subs but what about 2 operational Nuke Subs already one tasted with K-15 & K-4 missiles, Other will handed for sea trail in mid-2016 (3 more to fallow of Arihant class), 6 scorpion class (6 more are under discussion)


Oh! you remember INS Khukri but forgot losses of PN
1,900 Killed in action, 413 captured (POW), 2 Destroyers, Minesweeper,Submarine,3 Patrol vessels,7 Gunboats,18 Cargo, Supply and Communication ships,3 Merchant Navy ships captured, 10 small vessels captured, Widespread damage to Chittagong Harbour, Pakistani main port Karachi facilities damaged/fuel tanks destroyed.

2nd, about A&N Islands; only 34 of them actually have any human presence so spare me the 350 islands nonsense. We can wipe out the entire population of A&N with just 34 nukes. Not a problem for us at all. And we can identify Indian army presence anywhere on the rest of the 350 islands, if any, through satellite surveillance and target them accordingly. Remember, our Shaheen series of missiles has a CEPs of less than 50 meters and so can be used to deliver conventional warheads of up-to 1000KG

who said to you Missile system will be on those 34 island and do you have 35 Shaheen -3 missiles and which idiot is going to tell you strategic locations 3000 km away from Pakistan mainland ( Oh! big daddy China, which leaks the tape of Mussaraf during Kargil)

First of all, you don't have 350 4.5 gen fighters. All you have is about 220 MKIs with elephant size RCS and severe maintenance issues, and a pile of old Mig21s which crash more often than ripe mangoes + some Mig 29s, Jaguars and 50 odd Mirage 2000. Hardly 4.5 generation.

Current force
272 MKI (220 at present) these elephant size plane forward-facing NIIP N011M Bars & ELTA El/M-8222 Self Protection Pod is a power-managed jammer for that you had only 18 F-16 block 50+ which can track it from fair distance + 69 Mig 29 (UPG) + 51 Mirage 2000 (UPG) = 340 + 40 Mig 29K (5 more to come)+ 9 LCA ( 120 conform order) = 399 at present ( 155 on order) Not taking in PAF-FA, Naval LCA, Rafale, etc.

Mig -21 245 (175 Mig bis can eat your mirage, F-7 these had given hard time USAF in Cope India ) + 145 Jags not counting Mig 27

SAMS

S-125 Neva/Pechora, Akash Missile, SPYDER SAM, TUNGUSKA, OSA, S-300 ,(S-400, BARAK -ER in next 2-3 years.), Supported by 2 Green Pine Radar range 600 km, 3 Swordfish - 1500 km and other long range radar system.

Which long distance Radar system PAF had capable enough to track IAF movement, India will have more 32 land based system ( tracking range 400-600 Km) AWACS will be first target by attacking force ( for each AWACS you need to deploy at least 4 Fighters in escort role)

 

[war&peace]

Try it and the country in which u r living will join india in nuking ur mother country into oblivion.

In your dreams. India is no Israel, They will have a cup of tea with us and say "What took you so long?"

 

[Paksanity]

Ya. I am no expert at military doctrines but it seems at lot of people around the world hate Pakistan's tactical nukes.

Tangentially why did Bharat acquire nuclear bombs? It can't have been against Pakistan as she has a massive conventional differential in her favor. Was it for China?

India's nuclear weapons weren't against China although that was/ is the cover story. To figure out motives behind their ambitions one has to go back and read the statements coming out of India immediately after the test till Pakistan conducted its own. There was no mention of China in those statements and it focused on two points only 1) India has gained its rightful status in world's community 2) Pakistan will stand annihilated if it does not go into submission immediately.

With rise of nationalistic BJP, India felt they won't get any respect in the world unless they go nuclear. Nuclear weapons were used as means to attain a status. There wasn't any real threat to them. Status was to be used as an assertive (read hegemonic) regional policeman and then a global player. Pakistan stands in the way of regional policing and has to be forced into submission. You won't believe how the hurled naked threats of invasion immediately after their tests until they shut up when we tested ours. China was never mentioned in their threats. They know China won't attack them nor do they stand any chance against China.

Tactical nukes is a pain which India will face for a long time to come. Obviously if India doesn't invade Pakistan, there is no reason to be threatened by tactical nukes. So why such pain? Because they intend to and Nasr kills this option. Nasr is a weapon of mercy as it gives millions of civillians one more chance to live and puts onus to start a large scale nuclear exchange back on India instead of Pakistan. No matter what the rhetoric, fact will always remain that 1) India invaded 2)Pakistan used restricted nuclear force on invading military (not civilian population) 3) India had the option of avoiding nuclear destruction of several millions but did not do that. Rhetoric of 'we will consider any nuclear attack as full nuclear and respond massively' has little weight in serious circles and is primarily aimed at coercing Pakistan into not destroying aggressive Indian invaders. They also want the world to come to their help by pressurising Pakistan on tactical nukes. One frequent omission you wil find in their threat of massive response is Pakistan is fully capable of massive response as well. When naval arm of our nuclear forces goes operational, there will remain no doubt in anyone's head that Pakistan's ability to respond will remain intact under any circumstances. No amount of ABM umbrella can give an assured defence against submarine launched nukes which can attack anywhere given size of Indian Ocean around Indian coastline. Such blabbering is going to increase with time. We should remain focus and keep doing what we have to do in order to protect our freedom and sovereignty.