Pakistan's Airborne Early Warning and Control Aircrafts

[Bratva]

The past discussions i read here which gives the impression it will be an AESA. But China didn't miniaturize the large AESA of it's KJ-2000 to fit in this Pakistani AWAC or else , there must be a news on this. So my bet is, it would be PESA or Mechanically steered.

 

[lmjiao]

 

[nomi007]

ZDK-03 Y8F-400 AEW is not bad AWACS suitable for fc-20 , j-10b and jf-17 thunders
Saab 2000 is suitable for f-16s
8 AWACS are i think good for Pakistan
pak navy also have p-3 Orion so we are save better than nothing

 

[Bratva]

A question arises in my mind. If Indian Awacs of Israeli origin can work with Russian Airplanes then why Pakistani Saab AWAC of swedish origin can not work with chinese plane?

 

[Dazzler]

The past discussions i read here which gives the impression it will be an AESA. But China didn't miniaturize the large AESA of it's KJ-2000 to fit in this Pakistani AWAC or else , there must be a news on this. So my bet is, it would be PESA or Mechanically steered.

I am afraid your bet is wrong, it is confirmed AESA but made by a different supplier than that of KJ-2000 radar. Most likely by no. 3x institute.

 

[mughaljee]

nabil_05 Bahi,
AESA & PESA Difference between them ?
and which one is better/latest technology and upper hand

 

[Secur]

how many of them are currently in service ? There is a lot of confusion on this issue ... Which one is operational and which one is undergoing testing ?

 

[Dil Pakistan]

+ = and

 

[Bratva]

how many of them are currently in service ? There is a lot of confusion on this issue ... Which one is operational and which one is undergoing testing ?

None of them are in service. As pictures and senior tid bits suggest. One is going to be inducted in Jan/Feb 2012 since it has completed its technical evaluation. 2nd one is in final stage of testing and evaluation and third one just started it's trials

 

[VelocuR]

We dislike the idea of six-blades fours fans in the wing. I would suggest to use engines power turbos just like many AWACs.

I guess, saving cost effective.

 

[fatman17]

^^^all the answers to the questions above have already been posted in this thread - kindly do some research!

 

[TaimiKhan]

ZDK-03 Y8F-400 AEW is not bad AWACS suitable for fc-20 , j-10b and jf-17 thunders
Saab 2000 is suitable for f-16s
8 AWACS are i think good for Pakistan
pak navy also have p-3 Orion so we are save better than nothing

A question arises in my mind. If Indian Awacs of Israeli origin can work with Russian Airplanes then why Pakistani Saab AWAC of swedish origin can not work with chinese plane?

Its Y-8F 600 version. Hopefully with western engines.

And as for communication system, JF-17s/FC-20s/Mirages/F-7PGs are equipped, being equipped and would be equipped with western communication system, european to be exact. And as per what i know, the ZDK-03 would also be having a western communication equipment, including data transfer equipment. Thus, all of these planes can communicate between each other, but my be due to US concerns & Swedish concerns, Erieye & F-16s are not directly linked with these assets, but then again, they may well connect them with each other, since whatever we are procuring from China, comes with western MIL-STD equipment and has western communication system, so if we can have the codes & system to link F-16s with Erieyes since they have western MIL-STD communication system, then we can link them with the Chinese planes which are coming with western MIL-STD & western communication system. I don't see a reason why can't we link them.

In the end, once again telling, all these assets would be connected with a ground control station, which will work as the command and control station for the whole battle theater, and they will communicate and give orders between the assets.

nabil_05 Bahi,
AESA & PESA Difference between them ?
and which one is better/latest technology and upper hand

AESA is latest and much better.

 

[SBD-3]

We dislike the idea of six-blades fours fans in the wing. I would suggest to use engines power turbos just like many AWACs.

I guess, saving cost effective.

Economy,endurance,maintainance and speed. Truboprops excel in first three disciplines while Jet engines score in last one. Fuel economy ensures long endurance and erradicate the need for a larger platform with more fuel efficiency. Isn't it striking to know that Tubro propeller erieye has equvilent endurance to anyother modern Beoing 777 based platform?...shouldn't be surprising i guess

 

[Bratva]

Its Y-8F 600 version. Hopefully with western engines.

And as for communication system, JF-17s/FC-20s/Mirages/F-7PGs are equipped, being equipped and would be equipped with western communication system, european to be exact. And as per what i know, the ZDK-03 would also be having a western communication equipment, including data transfer equipment. Thus, all of these planes can communicate between each other, but my be due to US concerns & Swedish concerns, Erieye & F-16s are not directly linked with these assets, but then again, they may well connect them with each other, since whatever we are procuring from China, comes with western MIL-STD equipment and has western communication system, so if we can have the codes & system to link F-16s with Erieyes since they have western MIL-STD communication system, then we can link them with the Chinese planes which are coming with western MIL-STD & western communication system. I don't see a reason why can't we link them.

In the end, once again telling, all these assets would be connected with a ground control station, which will work as the command and control station for the whole battle theater, and they will communicate and give orders between the assets.




AESA is latest and much better.

Sire I totally agree with your point, but ground reality and your constructive points don't add up.. The ground reality I talk about is, it's been two years since JF-17 is in service and One year has passed since we inducted the SAAB Erieye. But we haven't heard they are data linked, but a chinese Awacs for Pakistan which is still testing in china, we send a JF-17 pt04 there to test it's data linking with JF-17 as per Fatman.

I understand the American concerns, but why Swedish? what's there problem according to your understanding?

Once again i have to make a little off topic point, If SAAB were in the hands of Indians, they would have data linked it with MIGS and SU-30. Why Western countries don't have same concerns with Russian machines as they have for Chinese machines? At least they are in Pakistani Hand, then why still hiccups?

 

[SQ8]

Sire I totally agree with your point, but ground reality and your constructive points don't add up.. The ground reality I talk about is, it's been two years since JF-17 is in service and One year has passed since we inducted the SAAB Erieye. But we haven't heard they are data linked, but a chinese Awacs for Pakistan which is still testing in china, we send a JF-17 pt04 there to test it's data linking with JF-17 as per Fatman.

I understand the American concerns, but why Swedish? what's there problem according to your understanding?

Once again i have to make a little off topic point, If SAAB were in the hands of Indians, they would have data linked it with MIGS and SU-30. Why Western countries don't have same concerns with Russian machines as they have for Chinese machines? At least they are in Pakistani Hand, then why still hiccups?

The issue is simple.
The erieye uses Link-16 and so do the PAF falcons.
The protocol that will be used to communicate between the KE and the JF will be different.
To convert both link-16 data and the other protocol on board the Aircraft will require extra processing power and effort.
Instead.. the Erieye also sends its data back to the ground, from where it it sent to the JF via UHF radio.

It may not be efficient.. or as effective as a direct link. but its a cost and effort saving measure.

All aircraft will be able to communicate with each other on secure radio..
Whether its the JF to the erieye, or the KE to the Falcons.