Pakistan's Airborne Early Warning and Control Aircrafts

[Mentee]

Musharraf admit the purchase was a gamble but turn out to be a great investment as it's performance is outstanding. Many Pakistanis until now still believe Erieye is better than ZDK-03 which is not true.

Sigh! The airforce Generals canceled the j10 done deal out of jealousy

 

[MastanKhan]

Sigh! The airforce Generals canceled the j10 done deal out of jealousy

hi,

If you listen to Air Marshall Latif's inerview---he talks about pakistan's influence in the upgrades to the J10.

According to AM Latif---the chinese did not have the capability to build what Paf was asking for what was to be in the JF17---but he had full confidence in the chinese engineering capabilities and at the speed at which chinese engineering capability was advancing---so he kept pushing forward---.

The chinese kept providing what the Latif's team asked for and the reward they got back in return was Paf's input in the design upgrade of the J10 from Paf's input---.

Paf has stuck to the JF17---as it is its baby---but they need to get other aircraft---like the J10 C's to fill in the hole---.

Looking at what has happened---Paf needs at least 450 to 500 front line fighter / strike aircraft---. The Jf17's alone won't cut it---.

The US will now think of some kind of sanctions regarding the use of the F16's as india will go crying to big daddy---.

 

[khanasifm]

When paf ordered they ordered more saab awacs and not Chinese so it’s obvious

 

[Beast]

When paf ordered they ordered more saab awacs and not Chinese so it’s obvious

LOL.. Another delusion. Can Saab AWACS datalink with JF-17? So what does it order got to prove Saab AWACS is better? It order is just to replace the few destroyed by terrorist.

 

[Dazzler]

LOL.. Another delusion. Can Saab AWACS datalink with JF-17? So what does it order got to prove Saab AWACS is better? It order is just to replace the few destroyed by terrorist.

All assets are now equipped with indigenous solutions like link 17 and rtdl. Datalink is not an issue as it was 5 years ago. Zdk does offer longer search range and more sea search modes. A handy asset for PAF.

 

[Path-Finder]

What will be interesting which AEW aircraft were involved- if jf17 then the chinese ones had a big role to play.

it will be combined AWAC with Link 17 a proprietary system

 

[ice_man]

hi,

If you listen to Air Marshall Latif's inerview---he talks about pakistan's influence in the upgrades to the J10.

According to AM Latif---the chinese did not have the capability to build what Paf was asking for what was to be in the JF17---but he had full confidence in the chinese engineering capabilities and at the speed at which chinese engineering capability was advancing---so he kept pushing forward---.

The chinese kept providing what the Latif's team asked for and the reward they got back in return was Paf's input in the design upgrade of the J10 from Paf's input---.

Paf has stuck to the JF17---as it is its baby---but they need to get other aircraft---like the J10 C's to fill in the hole---.

Looking at what has happened---Paf needs at least 450 to 500 front line fighter / strike aircraft---. The Jf17's alone won't cut it---.

The US will now think of some kind of sanctions regarding the use of the F16's as india will go crying to big daddy---.

The story is the same as it was back in 2009 or 2010. 9 years have passed and you have been saying it Mastan that time to move on from Mirage IIIs and F7pgs. but nothing has been done.

No one will sell us frontline equipment until the MMRCA is complete. As every major player wants to sell to India first. Including the swedes. Due to their order being much bigger.


Secondly, Money constraints on our dismal economy make any good purchase difficult.

Purchasing the SAAB EREYIE was a master stroke in 2006. Sadly we lost 1 to realize its true worth.

Our Airforce planners are asleep at the controls of this airforce and sadly no one is their to wake them up from their slumber.

regards,

Ice man

 

[Awan68]

The story is the same as it was back in 2009 or 2010. 9 years have passed and you have been saying it Mastan that time to move on from Mirage IIIs and F7pgs. but nothing has been done.

No one will sell us frontline equipment until the MMRCA is complete. As every major player wants to sell to India first. Including the swedes. Due to their order being much bigger.


Secondly, Money constraints on our dismal economy make any good purchase difficult.

Purchasing the SAAB EREYIE was a master stroke in 2006. Sadly we lost 1 to realize its true worth.

Our Airforce planners are asleep at the controls of this airforce and sadly no one is their to wake them up from their slumber.

regards,

Ice man

The Airforce just caught an enemy thrice its size with its pants down so they know what they are doing. When economic outlook improves in an year or two, we can go for a couple squadrons of J10C on loan basis(if chinese agree). In the mean time maximum resources need to be spent on the production of upcoming block 3 and the succesfull completion of project AZM.

 

[aziqbal]

Erieye was flying out of Kamra

There is not doubt it was used in the operation

Erieye can see speed boats in rivers and canals from over 100km

It’s a very good system

ZDK-03 no doubt it also a fine unit

AWACS gives Situational Awareness that gives you knowledge and based on the knowledge you make a decision

The high command no doubt used all thier assets to vector in the JF17

A well placed and perfectly timed BVR missile finished the job

This is a text book example of how you do things

You cannot credit the PAF enough on this especially we told them we are coming and they were ready and expecting

 

[mikaal]

i have got 2 questions ...can the AWACS RADAR BE JAMMED ?OR AWACS can be sent fake signals

 

[Beast]

i have got 2 questions ...can the AWACS RADAR BE JAMMED ?OR AWACS can be sent fake signals

AWACS radar can be disrupted or confused. For example instead of few dozens of target, you will end up with hundred of targets on screen which make real ID of targets impossible.

 

[mikaal]

AWACS radar can be disrupted or confused. For example instead of few dozens of target, you will end up with hundred of targets on screen which make real ID of targets impossible.

but then is there any way to counter it ..

 

[Dil Pakistan]

Erieye was flying out of Kamra

You cannot credit the PAF enough on this especially we told them we are coming and they were ready and expecting

I would really like to understand the red font part little more.

1). How was this done?

2). What was the logic behind this?

3). Why a surprise attack was not a better idea?

@Windjammer; @Bilal Khan 777

 

[Pied Piper]

My understanding is that the PAF have the following AWACS aircraft:

4 x ZDK-03
4 x Saab Erieye
plus an order for 3 more Erieye
that's 11 in total and give the PAF significant situational awareness.

to complement this, PAF needs to purchase electronic warfare aircraft/ signal inteligence etc....

this would further enhance its capabilities and will deter a would be adversary!

 

[LeGenD]

but then is there any way to counter it ..

Any good AWACS radar system is designed, and programmed, to detect a wide range of potential targets by default (signature libraries), and to distinguish true targets from false targets (signature libraries again). Since potential threats evolve over time, it is important to keep the radar system up-to-date accordingly, or to develop a new (superior) radar system.

Americans have fielded a vast surveillance network across the world (spaceborne in large part) to capture signatures of military hardware of other countries, and continue to update their 'signature libraries' on 24/7 basis. This treasure-trove of data is used to inform their radar systems from time-to-time.