Pakistan's Airborne Early Warning and Control Aircrafts

[Falcon26]

JF-17 can only communicate with Chinese AWACS and we have Chinese AWACS for the same reason,
for F-16 we have SAAB AWACS.

None sense

JF-17 can communicate with both erieye & Chinese awacs through Link 17

 

[Inception-06]

Guys, when I come to think of it my super mushshak mini AWACS is a brilliant idea
You take this very nice super mushshak, give it the damn 380hp engine instead of the current 260.
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Take a look at this E-801M Oko early warning radar underneath this KA-31, take it(or a better equivalent) and install it ontop the damn mushshak.
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Overhaul the 3rd seat in the back and the cockpit with them fancy gadgets, now all we need is a pilot and the other 2 guys can take up the work of the Radar Officer and Combat Information Center Officer.
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No need for a copilot and aircraft control office like you have in the hawkeye, this is a mushshak dammit.

.....my genius has reached incomprehensible heights

I liked your Idea to make a Super Mushak Caravan (something like the transport plane Y-12 Harbin)

 

[Imran Khan]

so finally last one is active in duty now ? picture claimed saab-2000 serial number 10-049 flying over islamabad

 

[Windjammer]

So far, 25 , 40 and 45 have been spotted flying recently.

 

[Readerdefence]

So far, 25 , 40 and 45 have been spotted flying recently.

Hi hi is there any chance that these birds can be armed with ALCM kind of thing? Or a AAM
Thx

 

[razgriz19]

so finally last one is active in duty now ? picture claimed saab-2000 serial number 10-049 flying over islamabad

I hope that's true! Getting back the strength of four would be awesome

 

[khanasifm]

Modp report 2016/17 did reported recovery of 4th awacs but not sure if it's completed yet with 3 new orders total will come to 7 Saab 2k awacs plus 2 transport unless one of the transport is used for recovery

Per paf history PAC / paf have established d or depot level repair facility for Saab 2k platform

 

[Falcon26]

Imagine if Pakistan bought the IP rights to Saab 2000 same way it bought Saab Safari and turned it into a world class avaiation success story. Will find market domestic travel and also exported to other countries. So many possibilities too from military perspective @Quwa

 

[DarX]

Modp report 2016/17 did reported recovery of 4th awacs but not sure if it's completed yet with 3 new orders total will come to 7 Saab 2k awacs plus 2 transport unless one of the transport is used for recovery

Per paf history PAC / paf have established d or depot level repair facility for Saab 2k platform

I don't think it would be a straight forward job to modify a simple Saab 2000 into this AWACS plane. This is because the structure has to be strengthened to carry the antennae and the systems, plus some modifications are always needed to accommodate the different aerodynamic profile. If they have recovered the plane, it is most likely that the original air frame has been repaired.

Imagine if Pakistan bought the IP rights to Saab 2000 same way it bought Saab Safari and turned it into a world class avaiation success story. Will find market domestic travel and also exported to other countries. So many possibilities too from military perspective @Quwa

That is an interesting thought but the Saab 2000 is not a very versatile plane. It was designed specifically for the commuter market and will have little use elsewhere. An ideal aircraft design should have space for cargo lifting and at the same time should have rough field performance which would allow it to be used in backward areas. All of these factors would ensure a wide range of customers and ultimate success. India has manufacturing the Dornier Do228 and it has been successful because of these factors.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Imagine if Pakistan bought the IP rights to Saab 2000 same way it bought Saab Safari and turned it into a world class avaiation success story. Will find market domestic travel and also exported to other countries. So many possibilities too from military perspective @Quwa

It's a good idea. Granted, the Saab 2000 doesn't factor much as a cargo transport, but besides being a commuter aircraft, it can be adapted into a special mission platform. There's the AEW&C role, but also maritime and ground ISR, EW/ECM, SIGINT/ELINT, etc. It's still relatively limited scope as it can't be armed, and a lot of these other roles have now been taken by the ATR-72, Hawker, etc in the PN.

For dual civil and military aviation, perhaps consider joining the Indonesian N295, basically an airliner version of the C295. It goes without saying, but scale the infrastructure and expertise built for the N295 and apply to the C295.

 

[Falcon26]

It's a good idea. Granted, the Saab 2000 doesn't factor much as a cargo transport, but besides being a commuter aircraft, it can be adapted into a special mission platform. There's the AEW&C role, but also maritime and ground ISR, EW/ECM, SIGINT/ELINT, etc. It's still relatively limited scope as it can't be armed, and a lot of these other roles have now been taken by the ATR-72, Hawker, etc in the PN.

For dual civil and military aviation, perhaps consider joining the Indonesian N295, basically an airliner version of the C295. It goes without saying, but scale the infrastructure and expertise built for the N295 and apply to the C295.

Indeed.

With the operationalization of Kamra Aviation city, PAF should revisit the Saab Safari model and look for platforms that have dual military and commercial applications. I suspect your country will have even more success with it than the Mushshak, which is one of the best aviation success stories out of Asia

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Indeed.

With the operationalization of Kamra Aviation city, PAF should revisit the Saab Safari model and look for platforms that have dual military and commercial applications. I suspect your country will have even more success with it than the Mushshak, which is one of the best aviation success stories out of Asia

It's unfortunate that each of the service arms recently bought special mission planes on other platforms, otherwise, a strong standardized domestic path could have been explored. That said, like the Super Mushshak, an export oriented revived Saab 2000 "modular special mission" platform that can swap in/out kits (for ISR, EW/ECM, ELINT/SIGINT) could be neat. As one can't arm them it might easier to market to a wide variety of countries in the developing world, especially those interested in building special mission capabilities.

 

[SQ8]

It's unfortunate that each of the service arms recently bought special mission planes on other platforms, otherwise, a strong standardized domestic path could have been explored. That said, like the Super Mushshak, an export oriented revived Saab 2000 "modular special mission" platform that can swap in/out kits (for ISR, EW/ECM, ELINT/SIGINT) could be neat. As one can't arm them it might easier to market to a wide variety of countries in the developing world, especially those interested in building special mission capabilities.

The swedes have the lead on that;the PAF chose the Saab 2000 out of fait accompli as it wanted a larger platform than the 340 but could not afford the Emb-145 so it asked Saab for a more affordable solution. SAAB were aware of Saab 2000 airframes being phased out by airlines due to it being a less than common airframe and the bombardier -8 being more affordable and economical. In addition, SAAB had done a study on the airframe previously for the Swedish AF so the option was available faster.

PN chose the ATR as PIA has all the maintenance facilities available for it which the PN can pay them for and avoid the need for replication along with having a steady source of spares(and spare aircraft) for wartime purposes as well.

Unfortunate yes, but not by willful choice of being different.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

The swedes have the lead on that;the PAF chose the Saab 2000 out of fait accompli as it wanted a larger platform than the 340 but could not afford the Emb-145 so it asked Saab for a more affordable solution. SAAB were aware of Saab 2000 airframes being phased out by airlines due to it being a less than common airframe and the bombardier -8 being more affordable and economical. In addition, SAAB had done a study on the airframe previously for the Swedish AF so the option was available faster.

PN chose the ATR as PIA has all the maintenance facilities available for it which the PN can pay them for and avoid the need for replication along with having a steady source of spares(and spare aircraft) for wartime purposes as well.

Unfortunate yes, but not by willful choice of being different.

IIRC there are some Gulfstreams around for VIP, I wonder if they'll be converted into new EW/ECM or ELINT/SIGINT planes too (if and when funding permits).

 

[Imran Khan]

I hope that's true! Getting back the strength of four would be awesome

Three have been confirmed already sir