Pakistanis racial background

[Hareeshu IA MBT]

Oh man we are touching the cord we should not touch . Zero knowledge about our past is better than half knowledge. Which creates lots of troubles ... As the world was one family . That too india Pakistan Bangladesh Sri Lanka may be divided by ideology and boundaries . Yet we can't change the historic events can we ... We must wait for some DNA Analysis deep into our ancestors. Its not gonnahappen . As we are bound as a nation with differ ideology which based on what we are thought fro. The childhood. When this ideology made as false or wrong am sure it will create lots of trouble like Romans faced in pre Christian era. The ideology which brought the people closer and boundaries intact . If some one proved it's a fake belief. It could shatter the European union . Like sweet old days

 

[ghoul]

You do understand that your statements contradict each other? First you accept that the conquerors were foreign then you say they left no trace behind. Genetics don't disappear over time, no matter how mixed you are.

The only time small sample sizes are useful is when the population is generally homogenous, Pakistan is NOT. This is why if you have any more information on how big this sample size is and which people were included it in, please share. Otherwise I will make presumptions from more personal and reliable data.

Quite a number of samples on harappadna.org. You're a malik awan are you? Sorry to burst your bubble but a malik awan members' DNA profile didn't show any relation to Arabs what so ever.

And about what I said about the conquerors, well, they only settled in major population centers and over the time got mixed with natives. They were the absolute minority, who left minimal to non-existent genetic imprint behind.

 

[Pakistani E]

Quite a number of samples on harappadna.org. You're a malik awan are you? Sorry to burst your bubble but a malik awan members' DNA profile didn't show any relation to Arabs what so ever.

And about what I said about the conquerors, well, they only settled in major population centers and over the time got mixed with natives. They were the absolute minority, who left minimal to non-existent genetic imprint behind.

I wasn't aware they had access to my results. Sorry to burst your bubble, but my results were posted directly to me and not to harappadna.

EDIT: Don't be jealous conquered specimen. We are benevolent rulers.

 

[RazPaK]

Quite a number of samples on harappadna.org. You're a malik awan are you? Sorry to burst your bubble but a malik awan members' DNA profile didn't show any relation to Arabs what so ever.

And about what I said about the conquerors, well, they only settled in major population centers and over the time got mixed with natives. They were the absolute minority, who left minimal to non-existent genetic imprint behind.

What is the results on Arains?

 

[ghoul]

I wasn't aware they had access to my results. Sorry to burst your bubble, but my results were posted directly to me and not to harappadna.

EDIT: Don't be jealous conquered specimen. We are benevolent rulers.

Conquered specimen? Hahaha. In Jhelum district, the awans are farmers working for rajas, and labelled as "jatt". So much for glorious conquest. Even in your strong land of Chakwal and Attock, Rajputs reign supreme(Janjuas, Ghebas, Jodhras, Alpials etc).

PS: If you don't believe me, then read Ibbetson's book on castes of Punjab. Kia din aa gaye hain yaar. Bunch of farmers calling us a conquered specimen.

 

[ghoul]

What is the results on Arains?

They showed similar results to jatts, gujjars etc. I think they had some 28 specimens.

 

[Pakistani E]

Conquered specimen? Hahaha. In Jhelum district, the awans are farmers working for rajas, and labelled as "jatt". So much for glorious conquest. Even in your strong land of Chakwal and Attock, Rajputs reign supreme(Janjuas, Ghebas, Jodhras, Alpials etc).

I don't believe in the superiority of one people over another. Conquered specimen bit was a joke.

But on a more serious note, this is why in a country like Pakistan, small sample sizes are useless. If another awans profile, like you say, show no signs of outside influence, yet the ones I have done personally do, then doesn't it show that the sample sizes need to be expanded a little more?

And no self respecting awan calls himself a jatt.

 

[RazPaK]

They showed similar results to jatts, gujjars etc. I think they had some 28 specimens.

Interesting. But there is something that stands out about us. I can't quite put my finger on it. PS, don't make fun of farmers. Most of the warriors in our area were farmers as well.

 

[ghoul]

I don't believe in the superiority of one people over another. Conquered specimen bit was a joke.

But on a more serious note, this is why in a country like Pakistan, small sample sizes are useless. If another awans profile, like you say, show no signs of outside influence, yet the ones I have done personally do, then doesn't it show that the sample sizes need to be expanded a little more?

Lol, ok, ignore my reactionary answer as well. I respect awans as a people. And have a look man:
Post your MDLP K23b calculator/Oracle/ ancestry here - Page 33

The sample size for awans in only 2, but it tells man. Even the Baloch, who unanimously claim an arab origin have only minute arab. Like even if some tribes' ancestors were Arabs, they would have lost most of their arab genes over the centuries.

 

[mujhaidind]

Conquered specimen? Hahaha. In Jhelum district, the awans are farmers working for rajas, and labelled as "jatt". So much for glorious conquest. Even in your strong land of Chakwal and Attock, Rajputs reign supreme(Janjuas, Ghebas, Jodhras, Alpials etc).

PS: If you don't believe me, then read Ibbetson's book on castes of Punjab. Kia din aa gaye hain yaar. Bunch of farmers calling us a conquered specimen.

Jatts were royal? WtfThey were nomadic pastorial tribe from Sindh.Jatts were considered to be Shudras by Rajputs and other upper-castes. In recent times they claimed to be Kshatriyas and upper caste. Now they are accepted as of higher class.

Unbiased history and facts can hurt feelings of many.

 

[ghoul]

Jatts were royal? WtfThey were nomadic pastorial tribe from Sindh.Jatts were considered to be Shudras by Rajputs and other upper-castes. In recent times they claimed to be Kshatriyas and upper caste. Now they are accepted as of higher class.

Unbiased history and facts can hurt feelings of many.

Jatts were always considered mid tiered "vaish" in hindu caste system. Shudhars were the chuhras, mussalis, telis etc....unfortunately.

 

[Pakistani E]

Lol, ok, ignore my reactionary answer as well. I respect awans as a people. And have a look man:
Post your MDLP K23b calculator/Oracle/ ancestry here - Page 33

The sample size for awans in only 2, but it tells man. Even the Baloch, who unanimously claim an arab origin have only minute arab. Like even if some tribes' ancestors were Arabs, they would have lost most of their arab genes over the centuries.

That's interesting, but again I guess they should really expand their sample size.

 

[ghoul]

Interesting. But there is something that stands out about us. I can't quite put my finger on it. PS, don't make fun of farmers. Most of the warriors in our area were farmers as well.

Yes, I have noticed Arains to be a bit different looking too. I forgot the link to their results to see which group they were closest related to.

 

[mujhaidind]

Jatts were always considered mid tiered "vaish" in hindu caste system. Shudhars were the chuhras, mussalis, telis etc....unfortunately.

Sorry man! I have done BA in history. Jatts were below vaishavya. They were considered as Shudras. No wonder the rajputs got mad when they were elevated to Kshatriyas. Even Kshatriya status of Rajputs can be debated since they claimed to be relatives of a lunar family from Mahabharatta (most likely they faked it )

Infact many people of north-western India(Punjab mostly) were considered to be low-caste and untouchables in ancient times.

 

[rockstar08]

do we have Dallits here ?